Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

'I can feel it coming in the air tonight...oh lord'

Prepare for takeoff.

'Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking, due to travel restrictions this aircraft will today land at Knock airport instead of Palma Mallorca international - We expect the journey from Dublin to Knock to take 20 mins, have a safe flight'

Now this is something that both sides of the argument can agree is totally unacceptable.

They have now suspended for the long term future issuing passports and renewal. This is simply a new level of nonsense. You need passports for many reasons, not just travel matters. Proof of identity being the main one.

timeToLive wrote: »

When is the next election?

I think they are going to suspend democracy next.

I haven't been back in Ireland for a few years now and recently came back. I was in the States and Germany and both places had their ups and downs in terms of how people were adhering to things on a practical level.

I have been trying to follow the Irish rules and regs and facts and figures since I got back so If I say something incorrect then don't dogpile on me.


Pros
- People seem to be wearing masks and distancing where I am from. Family pods are keeping to themselves (I personally don't know any people flaunting rules)

- numbers are lowering

- Its not raining as much as I expected...silver lining

Cons
- National messaging is very pessimistic. It seems to be deliberate to only focus on the numbers that suit them to keep us worried. I think Leo has said that 'we should be worried'. This constant fear mongering and selective news has an impact on people that are not living but merely surviving through this. My dad has zero clue and hes just locked up at home because hes much older.

- Lots of jobs for healthcare assistants and caregivers are advertised.

- I haven't seen any advertising for public mental health for people. Maybe it isn't broadcasted on the media I watch but the mental health bill are the end of all of this is going to be one that we did not account for. We talk about the toll it is taking. We hear about it from the people that govern but I think they underestimate it. They are working. They are busy. Their day is moving pretty fast and they are able to see the process from getting from thought A to legislation B. Time passes much more slowly for the majority of people in limbo. It makes sense that they are breaking up the lockdowns into dates that they will reevaluate after a few weeks or months because psychologically it is much easier to accept for people when you have a time frame. I still think the bitter medicine we have to take now could be sweetened up. Talk about the things that are going well a little more.

- Making travel harder for people doesn't do much other than limit it for people that are willing to pay the fine or have some essential reason for going. The hotel quarantine ideas are fine. There just seems to be a reactive decision making process to everything. I was watching the Korean quarantine situation since April and was set to go over there but for some flight cancellation. We had such a relaxed travel policy that when I was coming back here in the Summer that I had a harder time getting into the bank than a non Irish person did getting through Dublin. The PCR testing should have been a given as early as we could implement it. Paying 2k for hotels or fines is a scare tactic to stop people from travel. If they wanted people not to travel then banning travel would be the play. The monetary fines are just stronger suggestions than something more concrete. Maybe we could have tracking apps for people that will be quarantining at home like in Korea? That way irish returning from home can be accounted for while non nationals can stay in the hotel.

- The numbers for contractions of Covid in hospitals seem pretty high. I know that even now not all doctors are even vaccinated. Surely they would have been the first to get the jab. A lot of healthcare workers out sick or being asked to work with pending covid tests.

- Regarding travel which is the main point of the thread. I think travel is not the main cause of the spread as much as the lack of system in place for when people return. We demonize people that want to leave but its only because its strongly advised not to. If people had to test and quarantine and retest then they are of no danger to anyone when they enter the country no? I am open to differing opinions of course. The thread is for discourse and discussion.

Sorry about the block of text...

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Are you serious? This is exactly what you said:




Your words. So do you take that back? Was it just a lie?

Taken from old thread because I would really like an answer from mr Trump

Jesus Christ. I already explained it to you https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116237363&postcount=9862


If you are still having issues then you better point out what I said that has your knickers in a twist.



This is the sentence that you highlighted and so I presume this is the knickers tightening one

A person being vaccinated only means that if they get infected with the virus, their symptoms will be less

Please feel free to fill in the blank

A person being vaccinated only means that if they get infected with the virus, their symptoms will be _______

A) Less
Greater
C) Equal


What do you think the purpose of a vaccination is? To enhance the symptoms? To make no change to them? You seem to have fierce difficulty with the apparently revolutionary statement that a vaccination would lead to less symptoms in future.


As for the taking it and passive aggressively copying and pasting the post again, after I had already responded to it on the old thread, just because there is a new thread with a fresh front page, all I can advise is to get a life for yourself.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

To provide immunity, which is exactly what these ones are designed to do

Why you insist on repeating the lie that vaccinations wont provide immunity but will only reduce symptoms, is beyond me.

So, again, you agree that vaccinations provide immunity in the vast majorty of recipients, yes?

Listen, I had to have this conversation with you before I think. Where you pretend that I said something and then "disprove" it and then try to shift some goalposts. I don't get the point of it. What are you getting out of doing it?



I never said the word immunity in the post you are getting your knickers in a twist about. I pointed this out to you in the old thread. You might have imagined that I said it, or that I said getting corona will make you immune from AIDS or make you able to fly, but I didn't say any of those things.



I only said

A person being vaccinated only means that if they get infected with the virus, their symptoms will be less.

So what is your problem with that? If someone tells you that they are vaccinated, that is all that you know about them - that if they get infected with the virus, their symptoms will be less.

What are you trying to say - that their symptoms will be more? Or that everyone who gets a vaccine will be immune? Or that nobody that gets a vaccine will be immune. None of the three preceding statements are strictly true. Whereas what I said is true. And again, I never said anything about immunity or not. (At the risk of allowing you to play your game of shifting the goalposts, you might want to look up the definition of immunity there btw. You know that if a person becomes "immune", then their symptoms will be less? Which is still perfectly consistent with my statement)



Is it a reading comprehension thing? Or did you really just want an angry-man post on the front of a probably long-running thread? In the latest post, now you say I said that vaccines don't provide immunity. As I said, I don't know what you get out of making stuff up. The ironic thing is that you are accusing me of lies!

I regurgitate the news wrote: »

Forget the 2,000 fine...it could be prison time like it is in Britain. Only ten years though.

Thank goodness for our leaders. They really really care.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/lying-on-arrival-could-mean-10-years-in-prison-in-england-england-matt-hancock-government-country-citizens-b1799932.html

In fairness to the UK that 10 year jail sentence will apply to lying on return from the red list countries.
I seriously doubt anyone will actually be served this sentence.
10 year sentence for this “crime” would make the UK a virtual North Korean style governance the accepted status quo.