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monkeybutter · 09-02-2021 07:23PM

The Davestator wrote: »

If the government can close down all businesses, why cant they stop the airlines flying empty planes to avoid refunding people?

Half arsesd as usual.

So, I can lose my €1,000 flight for June, or I can pay a €500 fine. Great choice

the choice is don't book until you know

Plumbthedepths · 09-02-2021 07:28PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

the choice is don't book until you know

It's highly likely the booking the poster is referring to is from last year.

The Davestator · 09-02-2021 07:29PM

monkeybutter wrote: »

the choice is don't book until you know

These flights were booked last summer!

Like thousands of others, flights and hols were moved once. Not sure the airlines and travel agents can take the hit and move them again.

monkeybutter · 09-02-2021 07:35PM

The Davestator wrote: »

These flights were booked last summer!

Like thousands of others, flights and hols were moved once. Not sure the airlines and travel agents can take the hit and move them again.

maybe sell it to RobiTV

but yeah thats a bummer, you should surely be in line for a refund, could you not get one last year?

gozunda · 09-02-2021 07:40PM

normanoffside wrote: »

This pretty much sums it up

https://twitter.com/sarahcareyIRL/status/1359175036737880066

It doesn't 'cos your wan has her facts up her rear end.

She states that "Officially 1/3 cases & deaths from hospitals".

That's incorrect.

The correct stats on that are

A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

Sarah Carey may be a columnist for the Independent but she'd want to check her facts before spouting rubbish like that...

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 07:53PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

We don't have a genuine "opposition"

We have a party (or parties) that didn't get into government who agree with the ones who are in government.

Its funny when you think of it - we really don't need elections at all. Just rotate them in and out of government every 5 years. They all stand for the same thing anyway.

We genuinely need a few "right of centre" parties to form a proper opposition.

Yeah funny how all the parties are saying we should be locked down and the least restrictive are the ones in power.
Have you ever thought that maybe you are the one who is on the wrong side of the argument?

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 07:54PM

The Davestator wrote: »

These flights were booked last summer!

Like thousands of others, flights and hols were moved once. Not sure the airlines and travel agents can take the hit and move them again.

I’ve looked for a refund from mine. I’ll take a hit on the deposit.
Not moving it again.

feargale · 09-02-2021 07:58PM

Madalyn Faithful Tea wrote: »

Plenty of miserable gits around maybe disappointed with the lives they have created for themselves.

Playing the "chip on the shoulder" card is the classic trick of the seasoned wrongdoer. I'm quite sure most of those who are objecting here could fly to the sun if they
wanted to, but choose not to for their own good and for the common good. But that fact will not deter some people from deflecting from their selfishness by means as foul as their civic spirit.

rwalshie · 09-02-2021 07:59PM

The government needs to stop coming out with these sweeping statements giving people no hope and more anxiety. Why come out and say travel will be off the cards, are they trying to cover themselves when it comes to all those people who had to defer holidays to this summer from last year that may be liable to lose a lot of money. There must be some reason for coming with all this negativity. Surely things are taking a turn for the better with cases way down today. Have they got a crystal ball telling them that they are definitely not going to receive more supply of vaccines than they know at present. I mean weve got 4 months until the summer a lot can change by then.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:02PM

rwalshie wrote: »

The government needs to stop coming out with these sweeping statements giving people no hope and more anxiety. Why come out and say travel will be off the cards, are they trying to cover themselves when it comes to all those people who had to defer holidays to this summer from last year that may be liable to lose a lot of money. There must be some reason for coming with all this negativity. Surely things are taking a turn for the better with cases way down today. Have they got a crystal ball telling them that they are definitely not going to receive more supply of vaccines than they know at present. I mean weve got 4 months until the summer a lot can change by then.

Well ya know the pandemic that’s going on, the slow supply of vaccine, the variants which are more transmissible etc etc.

DulchieLaois · 09-02-2021 08:02PM

rwalshie wrote: »

The government needs to stop coming out with these sweeping statements giving people no hope and more anxiety. Why come out and say travel will be off the cards, are they trying to cover themselves when it comes to all those people who had to defer holidays to this summer from last year that may be liable to lose a lot of money. There must be some reason for coming with all this negativity. Surely things are taking a turn for the better with cases way down today. Have they got a crystal ball telling them that they are definitely not going to receive more supply of vaccines than they know at present. I mean weve got 4 months until the summer a lot can change by then.

They want people to panic and then booking staycations and then, come later in the year, they will be all relax about holidays abroad.

GazzaL · 09-02-2021 08:05PM

DulchieLaois wrote: »

They want people to panic and then booking staycations and then, come later in the year, they will be all relax about holidays abroad.

Given that hospitality is closed for business in Ireland, it's no surprise that people are booking holidays abroad.

They'll be glad to receive guests abroad. Contrast that to Wexford where they were telling anyone from more than 5km out the road to "**** off" last year.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:06PM

DulchieLaois wrote: »

They want people to panic and then booking staycations and then, come later in the year, they will be all relax about holidays abroad.

Or they are keeping people informed and trying to reduce the spread of new covid variants from coming into the country......but yeah whatever you think.

Coybig_ · 09-02-2021 08:06PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Well ya know the pandemic that’s going on, the slow supply of vaccine, the variants which are more transmissible etc etc.

Ah yes the variants - which an endemic virus is likely to have many of throughout the years.

Lockdown forever!

feargale · 09-02-2021 08:07PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Same as that. Going to Kraków in 2 weeks. I couldn’t give A shyte about coronavirus. Greatest load of nonsense I’ve ever seen and I think it’s just a celebrity version of the flu.

So the medical profession are talking s***e. I wonder if you will think so when you get it.

If you have respiratory problems or are old or infirm, then think again. But if you’re young and healthy, go to Prague and have a nice time.[/quote]

And bring it back to the old and infirm who are dispensible apparently.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:07PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Ah yes the variants - which an endemic virus is likely to have many of throughout the years.

Lockdown forever!

Not really.
There will be plenty of variants with plenty of viral spread. That’s true.
The key is to stop the variant coming in.
The only way of doing that is two week quarantine for every traveller into the country, plus dealing with the land border.

Dr. Em · 09-02-2021 08:08PM

rwalshie wrote: »

The government needs to stop coming out with these sweeping statements giving people no hope and more anxiety. Why come out and say travel will be off the cards, are they trying to cover themselves when it comes to all those people who had to defer holidays to this summer from last year that may be liable to lose a lot of money. There must be some reason for coming with all this negativity. Surely things are taking a turn for the better with cases way down today. Have they got a crystal ball telling them that they are definitely not going to receive more supply of vaccines than they know at present. I mean weve got 4 months until the summer a lot can change by then.

What good would it do if the government gave people false hopes and they went out and booked a bunch of holidays they would then have to cancel? Telling people that travel is off the cards for the near future can also reduce anxiety by providing certainty. Of course it isn't what we want to hear, but if the vaccines do work, there is light at the end of the tunnel, unlike last year.

St.Spodo · 09-02-2021 08:08PM

The way it's going, I would say foreign holidays will be outright banned this year.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:10PM

St.Spodo wrote: »

The way it's going, I would say foreign holidays will be outright banned this year.

Don’t ban them. Bring in two week quarantine.

09-02-2021 08:10PM

feargale wrote: »

And bring it back to the old and infirm who are dispensible apparently.

wont they be inside and not having visitors though?

GazzaL · 09-02-2021 08:10PM

feargale wrote: »

So the medical profession are talking s***e. I wonder if you will think so when you get it.

If you have respiratory problems or are old or infirm, then think again. But if you’re young and healthy, go to Prague and have a nice time.

And bring it back to the old and infirm who are dispensible apparently.[/QUOTE]

I know OAPs who have flights to sunnier climes booked for this summer. Some have multiple trips booked! Why do you think you have the authority to run their lives, telling them what they can and can't do?

Dr. Em · 09-02-2021 08:16PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Don’t ban them. Bring in two week quarantine.

Intra-EU travel will not be banned because it can be challenged based on freedom of movement rights. (Note this no longer includes the UK.)

My prediction is that stringent testing or proof of vaccination, and some form of quarantine will likely continue until late summer at least. Airlines will suspend unviable routes and more and more will get into financial difficulty and go under. There will be a lot less travel even when restrictions relax.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:16PM

Everyone should be allowed travel abroad not matter what age you are.
Just introduce 2 weeks mandatory enforced quarantine in a hotel or monitored premises on the way back and it’s sorted.

tom1ie · 09-02-2021 08:19PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Intra-EU travel will not be banned because it can be challenged based on freedom of movement rights. (Note this no longer includes the UK.)

My prediction is that stringent testing or proof of vaccination, and some form of quarantine will likely continue until late summer at least. Airlines will suspend unviable routes and more and more will get into financial difficulty and go under. There will be a lot less travel even when restrictions relax.

It can be challenged, but it will be weighed up against stopping the spread of a virus.
I’m not a lawyer but I’d imagine the greater good might come out on top vs inconvenience for people going on holiday.

Dr. Em · 09-02-2021 08:19PM

If UK residents have been using Dublin airport as a backdoor to get around quarantine restrictions, the number of passengers going through Dublin airport will fall in the next week. More airlines could suspend routes if transit was keeping their numbers up.

Dr. Em · 09-02-2021 08:27PM

tom1ie wrote: »

It can be challenged, but it will be weighed up against stopping the spread of a virus.
I’m not a lawyer but I’d imagine the greater good might come out on top vs inconvenience for people going on holiday.

That would be a last resort since the EU was unhappy with countries unilaterally closing their borders last year at the start of the pandemic and developed the traffic light system to avoid that. With the current testing requirements, home quarantines and hotel quarantines, travel numbers are going to drop even further and it won't be as much of a concern. Non-essential travel is in effect banned in most EU countries and stopping essential travel causes too many problems. How would politicians fly then? :rolleyes:

Plumbthedepths · 09-02-2021 08:30PM

Coybig_ wrote: »

Ah yes the variants - which an endemic virus is likely to have many of throughout the years.

Lockdown forever!

Several thousand so far.

Micky 32 · 09-02-2021 08:31PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Everyone should be allowed travel abroad not matter what age you are.
Just introduce 2 weeks mandatory enforced quarantine in a hotel or monitored premises on the way back and it’s sorted.

For how many years?

Coybig_ · 09-02-2021 08:36PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

For how many years?

Forever obviously.

There will always be variants. Or even worse, there might be. Have to protect against them.

Gael23 · 09-02-2021 08:45PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Intra-EU travel will not be banned because it can be challenged based on freedom of movement rights. (Note this no longer includes the UK.)

My prediction is that stringent testing or proof of vaccination, and some form of quarantine will likely continue until late summer at least. Airlines will suspend unviable routes and more and more will get into financial difficulty and go under. There will be a lot less travel even when restrictions relax.

How long do you think that will take?

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