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Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)
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MrMusician18 wrote: »But yeah, blue passports, says absolutely nothing about the impact on business or society generally. It's a glib, self righteous remark with its only intention to show that the author was right.
Arguably Suez was a much greater crisis for both the UK and France geopolitically than Brexit. The three day week was a greater crisis for the UK, if you want to contextualize it more domestically.
The 'blue passports' issue exemplifies Brexit: a lack of knowledge of EU law (it permits different national passport colours) leads to a pointless symbolic gesture, creates extra business in the EU (the passports are printed in the EU), makes movement between the UK and EU more difficult, but gives Northern Ireland an escape clause, as people from there can still claim citizenship of an EU member state.
It would be hard to pick a better example that encapsulates all of the negatives of Brexit in one go.
Brexit threatens the break-up of the British state itself.
It's a far greater existential threat to the UK than the loss of empire or diminshed global power, and far more likely to do lasting economic harm than the three-day week.
The UK is the new Italy for FDI.
https://unctad.org/webflyer/global-investment-trend-monitor-no-38
It also says something about the lack of importance of Northern Ireland within the UK that the three-day week can be seen as more harmful than the Troubles violence prevalent in the early 1970s.
Back to passports: it's possible that British passports won't exist at all in a few years because of Brexit.0 -
sondagefaux wrote: »The 'blue passports' issue exemplifies Brexit: a lack of knowledge of EU law (it permits different national passport colours)leads to a pointless symbolic gesture, creates extra business in the EU (the passports are printed in the EU), makes movement between the UK and EU more difficult, but gives Northern Ireland an escape clause, as people from there can still claim citizenship of an EU member state.
It would be hard to pick a better example that encapsulates all of the negatives of Brexit in one go.
Brexit threatens the break-up of the British state itself.
It's a far greater existential threat to the UK than the loss of empire or diminshed global power, and far more likely to do lasting economic harm than the three-day week.
The UK is the new Italy for FDI.
https://unctad.org/webflyer/global-investment-trend-monitor-no-38
It also says something about the lack of importance of Northern Ireland within the UK that the three-day week can be seen as more harmful than the Troubles violence prevalent in the early 1970s.
Back to passports: it's possible that British passports won't exist at all in a few years because of Brexit.
It's not pointless if it gives the UK a renewed sense of self, and the rest of your points are verifiably untrue. The colour of the document does not make movement more difficult, nor does it give NI an escape clause.
But yeah blue passports is a remark used to demonstrate an intellectual superiority. It doesn't go any deeper than that. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.
It won't be Brexit that breaks the UK - both NI and Scotland have been walking towards the exit lobby for decades. You might remember that Scotland was at the door already, but pissed itself and went back to London. If the nationalist movements are successful, it will be down to over half a century of underinvestment and central government neglect rather than Brexit.
The nationalists may well attempt to use Brexit as their lever, but if that didn't happen, they would use something else. I really doubt the SNP would've just given up if the UK had backed remain.0 -
British citizens who want to buy property in some parts of Spain, designated by law as sensitive military areas, will have to get permission from the Spanish military now that the UK has left the EU and become a third country.
https://murciatoday.com/brexit-collides-with-1978-military-law-in-spain-british-housebuyers-must-now-obtain-military-permit_1552969-a.html0 -
sondagefaux wrote: »British citizens who want to buy property in some parts of Spain, designated by law as sensitive military areas, will have to get permission from the Spanish military now that the UK has left the EU and become a third country.
https://murciatoday.com/brexit-collides-with-1978-military-law-in-spain-british-housebuyers-must-now-obtain-military-permit_1552969-a.html
That article overblows the issue - like a lot of issues surrounding Brexit. It is literally in no one's interest to delay sales, buyer, seller or government. There will be pressure on all sides to streamline the process for property sales.
There are big issues with SPS that are unlikely to be resolved soon, but this is a genuine teething issue that will be fixed.0 -
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MrMusician18 wrote: »It's not pointless if it gives the UK a renewed sense of self, and the rest of your points are verifiably untrue. The colour of the document does not make movement more difficult, nor does it give NI an escape clause.
But yeah blue passports is a remark used to demonstrate an intellectual superiority. It doesn't go any deeper than that. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.
It won't be Brexit that breaks the UK - both NI and Scotland have been walking towards the exit lobby for decades. You might remember that Scotland was at the door already, but pissed itself and went back to London. If the nationalist movements are successful, it will be down to over half a century of underinvestment and central government neglect rather than Brexit.
The nationalists may well attempt to use Brexit as their lever, but if that didn't happen, they would use something else. I really doubt the SNP would've just given up if the UK had backed remain.
A renewed sense of self for the UK? Not exactly.
https://mobile.twitter.com/thesundaytimes/status/1353043741813202944
Nobody has ever claimed that the colour of the document makes movement more difficult and certainly not me. 'Blue passports' is shorthand for 'British passports are no longer EU passports'.
People from Northern Ireland do have an escape clause from having to use British passports; they can use Irish passports.
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/apply-for-irish-passport-if-you-can-advises-dup-mp-ian-paisley-34835231.html
The SNP and NI nationalists wouldn't have given up on leaving the UK even if Brexit hadn't happened?
So what?
The polls have swung towards independence and reunification because of Brexit.
If not for Brexit, neither would have seen the increases in support seen in the past few years.
The term 'blue passports' is used to illustrate the negatives of Brexit rather than literally attacking the colour of British passports; nobody gives a flying fúck about what colour they are. It's what they represent, primarily a lack of knowledge of the EU and above all, making movement more difficult.0 -
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Do you still think that by erecting trade barriers between you and your biggest market will create anything other than a massive loss?I personally feel at less than a month its far too early to call the winners and loosers in brexit.
Seriously?
Brexit was never going to create any winners. It was an utterly stupid proposal carried out with little concern for the inevitable consequences purely to satisfy some jingoistic nonsense about sovereignty.
However, for the people if the UK, there are no positives from Brexit, that I'm aware of, that have stood up to any kind of scrutiny. In fact, Brexit looks like it may be the catalyst that finally breaks up the UK (which is a positive (NI), I'll grant you that!)0 -
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