General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

eagle eye · 16-12-2020 11:14PM

Watched the whole Liverpool/Spurs game, pretty poor spectacle but Fabinho was incredible I thought. Far and away the best player on the park for me.

Fitz* · 16-12-2020 11:14PM

8-10 wrote: »

Also the only team in the league to have scored in every game they've played.

I also noticed that our last 4 PL games v Spurs at Anfield have all been 1-1 late in the second half only for Liverpool to break the deadlock with:

2020/21: Firmino 90'
2019/20: Salah 75'
2018/19: Alderweireld (OG) 90'
2017/18: Salah 90' (+1)

The last 2 seasons games at Anfield have followed a somewhat similar pattern also. Somewhat fortuitous Spurs goal from a rare attack but periods of constant pressure from Liverpool result in goals winning the game 2-1.

8-10 · 16-12-2020 11:15PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Watched the whole Liverpool/Spurs game, pretty poor spectacle but Fabinho was incredible I thought. Far and away the best player on the park for me.

I though Aurier, Lloris and Wijnaldum were excellent too but Fabinho was very good alright. Who got MOTM?

Fitz* · 16-12-2020 11:21PM

8-10 wrote: »

I though Aurier, Lloris and Wijnaldum were excellent too but Fabinho was very good alright. Who got MOTM?

I thought Hojberg was excellent and seemed to win every tackle after he got booked which is no mean feat against waves of attacks. Jones very good too, especially first half.

8-10 · 16-12-2020 11:40PM

If Villa, who are in the bottom half of the table, win their games in hand, they'd be 2nd a point behind Liverpool

So tight this year

niallo27 · 16-12-2020 11:57PM

8-10 wrote: »

If Villa, who are in the bottom half of the table, win their games in hand, they'd be 2nd a point behind Liverpool

So tight this year

Chances of villa winning 3 on the bounce are about 1 in a million.

Ikozma · 16-12-2020 11:58PM

So liverpool are no longer joint top then?

Ikozma · 17-12-2020 12:01AM

Henderson was excellent tonight I thought, he ran that game from start to finish and clocked up some serious milage doing it

Dr. Bre · 17-12-2020 12:04AM

Brighton have never won a premier league game on a Wednesday - cheers motd for that useless stat

Wuff Wuff · 17-12-2020 12:17AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Chances of villa winning 3 on the bounce are about 1 in a million.

Didn't they win their first 5 on the bounce this season?

Shanotheslayer · 17-12-2020 12:23AM

8-10 wrote: »

Also the only team in the league to have scored in every game they've played.

I also noticed that our last 4 PL games v Spurs at Anfield have all been 1-1 late in the second half only for Liverpool to break the deadlock with:

2020/21: Firmino 90'
2019/20: Salah 75'
2018/19: Alderweireld (OG) 90'
2017/18: Salah 90' (+1)

Spurs and Everton are basically twins

pjohnson · 17-12-2020 02:45AM

niallo27 wrote: »

I feel bad for a big portion of the fans on here, that header must have absolutely crushed them.

It is surely the biggest upset in English football history given how patchwork and injury ravaged the Liverpool XI were.

~Rebel~ · 17-12-2020 02:47AM

pjohnson wrote: »

It is surely the biggest upset in English football history given how patchwork and injury ravaged the Liverpool XI were.

you're reeeeally keepin' this thing up, huh.

pjohnson · 17-12-2020 02:50AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

you're reeeeally keepin' this thing up, huh.

Well the injury plagued narrative is continuing for a second year so why not embrace it?

I dont really get the desire some Liverpool fans have to try and paint themselves as plucky underdogs when they just aren't, they are favourites 95% of the time. The Djimi Traore/Charlie Adam/Rickie Lambert/Steven Caulker era's are long gone.

monkey9 · 17-12-2020 04:16AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well the injury plagued narrative is continuing for a second year so why not embrace it?

I dont really get the desire some Liverpool fans have to try and paint themselves as plucky underdogs when they just aren't, they are favourites 95% of the time. The Djimi Traore/Charlie Adam/Rickie Lambert/Steven Caulker era's are long gone.

:pac::pac::pac::D:D:D

simongurnick · 17-12-2020 04:23AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well the injury plagued narrative is continuing for a second year so why not embrace it?

I dont really get the desire some Liverpool fans have to try and paint themselves as plucky underdogs when they just aren't, they are favourites 95% of the time. The Djimi Traore/Charlie Adam/Rickie Lambert/Steven Caulker era's are long gone.

Oh yes they are. I'm a liverpool fan and wouldn't call out the injuries from the plucky underdog perspective, but more to say, if this is what we are doing now, wait until a few more lads are back. Thiago is going to make hay soon

gimli2112 · 17-12-2020 06:06AM

Ikozma wrote: »

So liverpool are no longer joint top then?

all the more impressive when you consider our unprecedented injury list. I'm not sure people are taking that into account.

The White Wolf · 17-12-2020 06:10AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Watched the whole Liverpool/Spurs game, pretty poor spectacle but Fabinho was incredible I thought. Far and away the best player on the park for me.

Would have thought the match was a pretty entertaining spectacle for the neutral....bar the result of course.

17-12-2020 09:08AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well the injury plagued narrative is continuing for a second year so why not embrace it?

I dont really get the desire some Liverpool fans have to try and paint themselves as plucky underdogs when they just aren't, they are favourites 95% of the time. The Djimi Traore/Charlie Adam/Rickie Lambert/Steven Caulker era's are long gone.

In fairness, they were favourites 95% the time during those eras due to their fans blowing smoke up their holes, great for betting against. Now they actually back it up on the pitch and...oh, it's the same, if not worse.

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2020 09:08AM

Gotta say Spurs are absolutely woeful
Its basically 6 at the back and hope Son amd Kane do you on the counter,
I wouldnt mind of it was just away games but they done it at home to Arsenal even away to Palace

They played much better football for instant away to United

yourdeadwright · 17-12-2020 09:14AM

Fabhino is just an old school excellent footballer,
Literally performing like a top class CB and the fella os CM, He played a load of games as a roght back for Brazil

Just seems to understand the game, Id go as far as saying he seems to be a better CB than Joe Gomez who himself is very good

adaminho · 17-12-2020 09:32AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Well the injury plagued narrative is continuing for a second year so why not embrace it?

I dont really get the desire some Liverpool fans have to try and paint themselves as plucky underdogs when they just aren't, they are favourites 95% of the time. The Djimi Traore/Charlie Adam/Rickie Lambert/Steven Caulker era's are long gone.

Champions league winner Djimi Traore?

Fitz* · 17-12-2020 09:55AM

pjohnson wrote: »

It is surely the biggest upset in English football history given how patchwork and injury ravaged the Liverpool XI were.

Well yeah the team is currently patchwork and injury ravaged lately. There were 8 first team players missing last night. And before you say that it's all squad players who won't make the team, each of VVD, Gomez, Matip, Thiago & Jota can lay claims to be starting for Liverpool each week. That's 5 players. The 3 others being Milner, Tsmikas & Shaqiri and can lay claim to be starting some games, bu not all games as they are squad members.

Last night saw a player bought for midfield playing as CB again, along with a 19 year who was making his league debut. His only professional league experience prior to last night was in the 6th tier, and yet here he was last night up against Kane & Son. It wasn't even the first time in December that a kid has been thrown in for his professional league debut, let alone the first time this season! There was also a game recently where a player had to make only his 2nd league appearance in England, in the same game where a 19 year old was moved from his natural CM position to play at RB because the other options had had been injured.

That is fairly patchwork to me! Sounds like you have your head buried in the sand and refuse to take it out.

Shanotheslayer · 17-12-2020 10:01AM

adaminho wrote: »

Champions league winner Djimi Traore?

I hate this argument. It doesn't even make sense on the ability of a player.

adaminho · 17-12-2020 10:11AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I hate this argument. It doesn't even make sense on the ability of a player.

He was the starting left back in that team for most of the season, he wasn't the most talented player ever but he earned that medal

gimli2112 · 17-12-2020 10:16AM

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I hate this argument. It doesn't even make sense on the ability of a player.

If you had watched him regularly or maybe seen his wonder own goal live in the FA cup you might share our disbelief.
My recollection of his performance in the CL Final was he was hugely at fault for Maldini's opener after 3 minutes and did nothing else of note, which for him was a major positive.

To try and put it in context for an Everton fan, he was like the Pickford of left backs but worse.

adaminho · 17-12-2020 10:23AM

gimli2112 wrote: »

If you had watched him regularly or maybe seen his wonder own goal live in the FA cup you might share our disbelief.
My recollection of his performance in the CL Final was he was hugely at fault for Maldini's opener after 3 minutes and did nothing else of note, which for him was a major positive.

To try and put it in context for an Everton fan, he was like the Pickford of left backs but worse.

Didn't he clear a Shevchenko shot off the line as well?

pjohnson · 17-12-2020 10:29AM

Fitz* wrote: »

Well yeah the team is currently patchwork and injury ravaged lately. There were 8 first team players missing last night. And before you say that it's all squad players who won't make the team, each of VVD, Gomez, Matip, Thiago & Jota can lay claims to be starting for Liverpool each week. That's 5 players. The 3 others being Milner, Tsmikas & Shaqiri and can lay claim to be starting some games, bu not all games as they are squad members.

Last night saw a player bought for midfield playing as CB again, along with a 19 year who was making his league debut. His only professional league experience prior to last night was in the 6th tier, and yet here he was last night up against Kane & Son. It wasn't even the first time in December that a kid has been thrown in for his professional league debut, let alone the first time this season! There was also a game recently where a player had to make only his 2nd league appearance in England, in the same game where a 19 year old was moved from his natural CM position to play at RB because the other options had had been injured.

That is fairly patchwork to me! Sounds like you have your head buried in the sand and refuse to take it out.

Didn't know Klopp ever played with 3 CB's (Matip, Gomez & VVD). Or are you saying Gomez would start RB ahead of TAA? Jota doesnt seem to actually be ahead of any of Salah/Firmino/Mane but they need to stay on form or he will.

Thiago and 2 of the 3 CB's would be the only starters.

Again it was the same nonsense when Nathaniel Clyne was cited as being part of the injury crisis. Like a fully fit Clyne was any threat whatsoever to TAA starting.

Shanotheslayer · 17-12-2020 10:31AM

adaminho wrote: »

He was the starting left back in that team for most of the season, he wasn't the most talented player ever but he earned that medal

But your logic is completely flawed.

Ronaldo never won a CL
Ibra never won a CL

Plently of people haven't won a singular trophy it doesn't mean their ability is hindered

It's a stupid argument. It's the equivalent of saying Gerrard wasn't unbelievable because he didn't win the league.

gimli2112 · 17-12-2020 10:34AM

adaminho wrote: »

Didn't he clear a Shevchenko shot off the line as well?

lol possibly I potentially have a blind spot for anything good he may have done. He's just become synomonous in my mind for "bad" which is probably unfair on the guy
Left back was a problem for years and Konchesky is an argument for him not being the worst. Even our good left backs weren't great. Robertson is a god send.

General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

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