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Trump vs Biden 2020, Day 64 of the Pennsylvania count (pt 5) Read OP

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  • #9782
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Christy42 wrote: »
    I would say that she has been far more involved than most VPs who are normally picked for safety. Kamala was always going to get more attention than the usual choice and so was a lot up front and center.

    Definitely, she was much more visible on the campaign trail than previous VP candidates.


  • #9783
    everlast75
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,366 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Maybe a bit of tokenism for the year that's in it?

    "Bitter white man sees issue with woman achieving the place of first woman ever as VP".

    How's that for a front page?

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • #9784
    timetogo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 893 ✭✭✭timetogo1


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Definitely, she was much more visible on the campaign trail than previous VP candidates.

    Seemed more visible than Pence too, to me anyway, but then Trump did tend to hog the limelight.


  • #9785
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    everlast75 wrote: »
    "Bitter white man sees issue with woman achieving the place of first woman ever as VP".

    How's that for a front page?

    He called her your one Harris before going back to edit it. It’s really bothering him that she won an absolute nothing award.


  • #9786
    salmocab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭salmocab


    everlast75 wrote: »
    "Bitter white man sees issue with woman achieving the place of first woman ever as VP".

    How's that for a front page?

    He called her your one Harris before going back to edit it. It’s really bothering him that she won an absolute nothing award.


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  • #9787
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    I can nearly taste the bitterness.

    Extra salty


  • #9788
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Seemed more visible than Pence too, to me anyway, but then Trump did tend to hog the limelight.

    The fly was more visible and had more personality than Pence.


  • #9789
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Maybe a bit of tokenism for the year that's in it?

    Ohhhh and the mask slips a little more.


  • #9790
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Yes that's true. It's almost tradition. Does the incoming vp usually also win?

    The incoming VP isn't usually breaking taboos and being the fitst in many categories.

    I get you don't like her, but you have to accept the magnitude of the achievement she has just done.

    1st female VP, who happens to be a woman of colour. Parents are immigrants.

    she deserves it more than Biden, tbh. Although Biden does deserve it for the way he carried out his campaign. Putting aside the usual political campaigning because he put the health and welfare of fellow Americans before his own desire. Make no mistake about it, Biden came under huge pressure, both from Trump and the GOP but also within his won party, that he needed to get out.

    Remember that one of the lessons for HC was her failure to campaign in a few key states.

    That Biden was not only able to win, but win by such a clear and resounding victory (7m votes I think) deserves credit and acknowledgment.


  • #9791
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,920 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Seemed more visible than Pence too, to me anyway, but then Trump did tend to hog the limelight.

    Its what he does

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iimj0j4NYME


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  • #9792
    DrumSteve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,798 ✭✭✭✭DrumSteve


    timetogo1 wrote: »
    Seemed more visible than Pence too, to me anyway, but then Trump did tend to hog the limelight.

    Speaking of which; where has Mike gone?

    Thought he'd be lock step behind Don in his fraud claims.

    He's disappeared completely.


  • #9793
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Why would you say that?

    First female VP.
    First Person of Colour elected VP.
    Part of the ticket to win the most votes in any Presidential Election ever.
    Landslide victory against an incumbent President which is very rare, only 10 have lost in their re-election campaign.

    I'm sure there's more that I could list those are just off the top of my head.

    Fair point when it list it like that. At the same time Biden chose her. She didn't really "achieve " anything. Unless you feel Biden wouldn't have won the election with a white Male on the ticket. That she swung it for him. I think Biden could have chosen Dustin the turkey as running mate and still won


  • #9794
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,567 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Donny had a white male on his ticket and didn't win....

    Easy to see who the biggest loser is


  • #9795
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ohhhh and the mask slips a little more.

    that mask was on the floor a long time ago.


  • #9796
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    salmocab wrote: »
    He called her your one Harris before going back to edit it. It’s really bothering him that she won an absolute nothing award.

    Correct. I wrote "your one Harris". A poster said it was childish. I thought about it and agreed so I changed it.

    Il leave the childishness such as poo poo jokes to others.

    All good


  • #9797
    Smee_Again
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Fair point when it list it like that. At the same time Biden chose her. She didn't really "achieve " anything. Unless you feel Biden wouldn't have won the election with a white Male on the ticket. That she swung it for him. I think Biden could have chosen Dustin the turkey as running mate and still won

    I don't think he would have won without her, I think a lot of people who were energised to go out and vote for Biden wouldn't have bothered voting were it not for Harris.


  • #9798
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    I don't think he would have won without her, I think a lot of people who were energised to go out and vote for Biden wouldn't have bothered voting were it not for Harris.

    Maybe so. Biden wasnt/isn't a great candidate. He is no doubt better for America than Trump and is definitely not a radical in any way. Where as Harris might appeal to more left sided citizens.


  • #9799
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 43,567 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Maybe so. Biden wasnt/isn't a great candidate. He is no doubt better for America than Trump and is definitely not a radical in any way. Where as Harris might appeal to more left sided citizens.

    Harris has that appeal to the left due to her heritage and 'minority done good' aspect, but also to the right due to her Conservative politics.


  • #9800
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Correct. I wrote "your one Harris". A poster said it was childish. I thought about it and agreed so I changed it.

    Il leave the childishness such as poo poo jokes to others.

    All good

    Fine. But why did you feel the need to call out Biden and Harris winning, what is essentially, a meaningless award?

    You can acknowledge the amazing achievements of Harris can't you? Whatever your political views, to be not only the 1st female VP, but be one of colour as well, is quite staggering.

    Add to that, given Bidens age, it is not unreasonable to foresee that Harris may be called upon to act as POTUS, if not fully take over. The voters were well aware of that - the GOP made sure of that - so people have effectively endorsed a female is possible to become POTUS.

    That is, in the context of the US, quite a staggering achievement.

    What is your issue with them getting the award exactly?


  • #9801
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Maybe a bit of tokenism for the year that's in it?

    It's a pretty notable event, particularly when the sitting President has actively inflamed racial tensions.


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  • #9802
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Fine. But why did you feel the need to call out Biden and Harris winning, what is essentially, a meaningless award?

    You can acknowledge the amazing achievements of Harris can't you? Whatever your political views, to be not only the 1st female VP, but be one of colour as well, is quite staggering.

    Add to that, given Bidens age, it is not unreasonable to foresee that Harris may be called upon to act as POTUS, if not fully take over. The voters were well aware of that - the GOP made sure of that - so people have effectively endorsed a female is possible to become POTUS.

    That is, in the context of the US, quite a staggering achievement.

    What is your issue with them getting the award exactly?

    sure didn't she sleep her way to the top according to one poster here so why should she get any credit.


  • #9803
    PropJoe10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,411 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    DrumSteve wrote: »
    Speaking of which; where has Mike gone?

    Thought he'd be lock step behind Don in his fraud claims.

    He's disappeared completely.


    Would you blame him? I'm sure he's concerned about his future career. Haven't seen sight nor sign of him for at least a week.


  • #9804
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Maybe so. Biden wasnt/isn't a great candidate. He is no doubt better for America than Trump and is definitely not a radical in any way. Where as Harris might appeal to more left sided citizens.

    Surely the definition of a great candidate is one that wins the election? If Biden is not a great candidate then Trump is possibly the worst POTUS to ever seek re-election since he couldn't win against such a dismal alternative.

    Or you finally coming around to seeing just how terrible Trump 2020 was? It is a failure of epic proportions. People, rightly, called into question the DNC selection of HC and the way she handled her campaign.

    The same must now be asked of the GOP and Trump. How did he manage to screw this up so badly?


  • #9805
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Harris has that appeal to the left due to her heritage and 'minority done good' aspect, but also to the right due to her Conservative politics.

    She is the first of what is sure to be many "minority " officials. As with Us demographics the minorities are on track to become the majority.

    Here's a stat:

    Population growth is fastest among minorities as a whole, and according to the Census Bureau's estimation for 2020, 50% of U.S. children under the age of 18 are members of ethnic minority groups


  • #9806
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Harris has that appeal to the left due to her heritage and 'minority done good' aspect, but also to the right due to her Conservative politics.

    She is the first of what is sure to be many "minority " officials. As with Us demographics the minorities are on track to become the majority.

    Here's a stat:

    Population growth is fastest among minorities as a whole, and according to the Census Bureau's estimation for 2020, 50% of U.S. children under the age of 18 are members of ethnic minority groups


  • #9807
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    PropJoe10 wrote: »
    Would you blame him? I'm sure he's concerned about his future career. Haven't seen sight nor sign of him for at least a week.

    I think he out at a rally the last day or so. Certainly he was talking about the Texas state case against other states so must have been this week.


  • #9808
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    She is the first of what is sure to be many "minority " officials. As with Us demographics the minorities are on track to become the majority.

    Here's a stat:

    Population growth is fastest among minorities as a whole, and according to the Census Bureau's estimation for 2020, 50% of U.S. children under the age of 18 are members of ethnic minority groups

    And? You've posted a stat but clearly have a view that you're not expressing...


  • #9809
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Surely the definition of a great candidate is one that wins the election? If Biden is not a great candidate then Trump is possibly the worst POTUS to ever seek re-election since he couldn't win against such a dismal alternative.

    Or you finally coming around to seeing just how terrible Trump 2020 was? It is a failure of epic proportions. People, rightly, called into question the DNC selection of HC and the way she handled her campaign.

    The same must now be asked of the GOP and Trump. How did he manage to screw this up so badly?

    Indeed. Trump was disliked more than Biden. That's politics nowadays. This guy is crap but the other guy is worse. Il vote for the least crap.

    It's not like the Obama situation where people genuinely hot behind him and his "yes we can " campaign. He was a good politician.


  • #9810
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,113 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    She is the first of what is sure to be many "minority " officials. As with Us demographics the minorities are on track to become the majority.

    Here's a stat:

    Population growth is fastest among minorities as a whole, and according to the Census Bureau's estimation for 2020, 50% of U.S. children under the age of 18 are members of ethnic minority groups

    So your argument is that since others are bound to follow, then her achievement is not noteworthy?

    Sure it almost of if it is amazing that white people, white men in particular, get any positions of power at all!


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  • #9811
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,994 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Surely the definition of a great candidate is one that wins the election? If Biden is not a great candidate then Trump is possibly the worst POTUS to ever seek re-election since he couldn't win against such a dismal alternative.

    Or you finally coming around to seeing just how terrible Trump 2020 was? It is a failure of epic proportions. People, rightly, called into question the DNC selection of HC and the way she handled her campaign.

    The same must now be asked of the GOP and Trump. How did he manage to screw this up so badly?

    Biden beat an incumbent president by 7M votes and receives more votes than other candidate ever so that makes him a fantastic candidate. the margin of victory is beyond anybody's wildest dreams.


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