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Irish Archbishops call for Catholics to be allowed to attend Mass

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  • Registered Users Posts: 982 ✭✭✭Rrrrrr2


    Wowser, I had a quick look at your post history out of utter curiousity. You're a very angry man, I think you need to go to confession asap. Covid is driving you nuts. Relentless. Take a break for your own sake.

    Yea yea- what an utter utter oddball you are going back to check a posters history. I won’t be checking yours because frankly I don't give two tuppence worth for your opinion on me or anything else- this is a consistent tactic of the lockdowners- denigrate anyone that opposes their view as mentally ill etc. The Nazis used the same with anyone that opposed them too and it’s one if the oldest caricatures in history used by those of a totalitarian bent


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Good and it should never stopped- I don’t know what the Catholic Church, Church of Ireland and all others were thinking of by allowing their services to shut like this.
    I’m not my very religious but it means a great deal to many people to worship freely- an absolute cornerstone of our constitution after all. I sincerely hope not to see this carry on repeated

    Mass is of the utmost importance to alot of people, but the reality is that we are in a life and death situation - does that need to be said? Church services were cancelled on the recommendation of NPHET. If you had a serious illness and your doctor advised you to forego church what would you do? Would you go against his advice? Do you see this as an issue of religious freedom?

    When Ireland had a foot and mouth crisis in 2001 Archbishop Brady cancelled the mass in parts of his archdiocese. To the best of my recollection he did so without prompting or pressure from any government. There was no outcry. Are cattle more important than people?

    I'm only sorry that the government hasn't followed medical advice in all respects. Newfoundland fishermen went ballistic when their government restricted cod fishing to preserve stocks. As a result the cod came near to extinction. That is the choice facing us: take the bull by the horns or open up now and have phase three and lockdown again and open again for phase four to follow. That will not serve the commercial lobby or angry worshippers. We need to face reality.

    I haven't seen most of my family in almost a year, and don't expect to meet them at Christmas. So be it.
    I will be said by medical opinion, not by any interest group.


  • Site Banned Posts: 47 Saralace


    Mass is quite dangerous but more so with singing. Or saying prayers. It will also depend how big church is. Bigger the better
    Also how big the crowd. Also do people stand outside talking to each other. If you have to go wear a n95 or kn95 face mask and face shield wear gloves
    Keep distance
    Wash your clothes and shower when you get home use hand sanitizer


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Plenty of people are making sacrifices. People are well capable of worshiping whatever deity they believe in freely from their homes.

    As a devout Catholic I am endorsing this.

    I have not been to mass etc for 2 years. My immune system is down so that would involve the same risk as going to mass in covid times.

    My faith is stronger and fuller than ever.

    If your faith is dependent solely or wholly on attending mass I would question the validity of it. And especially in these times of very real infection risk; a double risk, of catching covid at mass and also of taking the infection home with you afterwards.

    It is irresponsible in the extreme. The opposite of what true faith is
    Faith that He will feed us wherever and however we live our faith.

    The Church agrees as it dropped the Sunday obligation. So obey them? Obedience is the key to faith. Loving those around you enough is also a large part of it.

    Repelled by the idea of any Christian insisting on church attendance in these times


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Good and it should never stopped- I don’t know what the Catholic Church, Church of Ireland and all others were thinking of by allowing their services to shut like this.
    I’m not my very religious but it means a great deal to many people to worship freely- an absolute cornerstone of our constitution after all. I sincerely hope not to see this carry on repeated

    Th e fact that you can write this in apparent ignorance of the fact we are in a pandemic with a highly infectious virus shows how totally necessary it is to lose gatherings down.

    constitutional laws have to bow to emergency situations. period. Why else are the rules we are bade follow being issued? The Churches have no exemption nor should they even consider seeking any.

    Jesus was asked about obeying the laws; He bade folk; obey the laws.

    And love others enough not to endanger them, please.

    And as for worship? You do not need to be in a large building among others to worship! You really don't. Just go outside a while!

    Jesus says that too... When you pray go into your room and pray in private .. not in public

    OK I am off. Advent starts tomorrow and it is a Retreat time here as much as is possible. Praying deeply in solitude here. Try it? See you at Christmas. The Feast of the Nativity.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Good and it should never stopped- I don’t know what the Catholic Church, Church of Ireland and all others were thinking of by allowing their services to shut like this.
    I’m not my very religious but it means a great deal to many people to worship freely- an absolute cornerstone of our constitution after all. I sincerely hope not to see this carry on repeated

    Our beloved constitution that the RC church trampled all over.

    And even today it still sees itself as above the state.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,630 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Good and it should never stopped- I don’t know what the Catholic Church, Church of Ireland and all others were thinking of by allowing their services to shut like this.
    I’m not my very religious but it means a great deal to many people to worship freely- an absolute cornerstone of our constitution after all. I sincerely hope not to see this carry on repeated

    Having no skin in the game, but as mentioned you're free to worship whatever way you like in your own home. You can make a direct call without the operator y'know.

    God isn't confined to the big house. He's everywhere.
    If you need mass to socialise rather than worship I think you're confusing it with a pub.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Rrrrrr2 wrote: »
    Yea yea- what an utter utter oddball you are going back to check a posters history. I won’t be checking yours because frankly I don't give two tuppence worth for your opinion on me or anything else- this is a consistent tactic of the lockdowners- denigrate anyone that opposes their view as mentally ill etc. The Nazis used the same with anyone that opposed them too and it’s one if the oldest caricatures in history used by those of a totalitarian bent

    OK, I am really sorry for annoying you. Sorry about that. Good luck in the future. Yes I am the oddball. Sorry.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Graces7 wrote: »
    As a devout Catholic I am endorsing this.

    I have not been to mass etc for 2 years. My immune system is down so that would involve the same risk as going to mass in covid times.

    My faith is stronger and fuller than ever.

    If your faith is dependent solely or wholly on attending mass I would question the validity of it. And especially in these times of very real infection risk; a double risk, of catching covid at mass and also of taking the infection home with you afterwards.

    It is irresponsible in the extreme. The opposite of what true faith is
    Faith that He will feed us wherever and however we live our faith.

    The Church agrees as it dropped the Sunday obligation. So obey them? Obedience is the key to faith. Loving those around you enough is also a large part of it.

    Repelled by the idea of any Christian insisting on church attendance in these times

    Assisting at Mass and receiving holy communion is the best way, bar none, of worshipping God. The sacraments, which many have been denied, are vital.

    Given we have such large buildings, with proper precautions it can be done safely and if you are vulnerable dont go, simple as.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Th e fact that you can write this in apparent ignorance of the fact we are in a pandemic with a highly infectious virus shows how totally necessary it is to lose gatherings down.

    constitutional laws have to bow to emergency situations. period. Why else are the rules we are bade follow being issued? The Churches have no exemption nor should they even consider seeking any.

    Jesus was asked about obeying the laws; He bade folk; obey the laws.

    And love others enough not to endanger them, please.

    And as for worship? You do not need to be in a large building among others to worship! You really don't. Just go outside a while!

    Jesus says that too... When you pray go into your room and pray in private .. not in public

    OK I am off. Advent starts tomorrow and it is a Retreat time here as much as is possible. Praying deeply in solitude here. Try it? See you at Christmas. The Feast of the Nativity.

    For a "devout catholic" you have a way of twisting things... To try and use Jesus words to imply that Mass is unimportant or unecessary is dishonest.

    Anyway, worship is permitted again from Tuesday.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    For a "devout catholic" you have a way of twisting things... To try and use Jesus words to imply that Mass is unimportant or unecessary is dishonest.

    Anyway, worship is permitted again from Tuesday.

    Ah lovely. You're not doing 'devout' right is basically what you are saying. Almost Borg like. Only one viewpoint allowed especially within large worship buildings where we can outline your errors.

    Worship is permitted at all times everywhere. So is delusion.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Ah lovely. You're not doing 'devout' right is basically what you are saying. Almost Borg like.

    Worship is permitted at all times everywhere. So is delusion.

    Maybe I was mistaken in thinking that "devout" implied agreement and adherence to the teachings of the Catholic faith. How would you interpret it?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,355 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Maybe I was mistaken in thinking that "devout" implied agreement and adherence to the teachings of the Catholic faith. How would you interpret it?


    'having or showing deep religious feeling or commitment'

    Good day to you Sir, good day!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    Assisting at Mass and receiving holy communion is the best way, bar none, of worshipping God. The sacraments, which many have been denied, are vital.

    Given we have such large buildings, with proper precautions it can be done safely and if you are vulnerable dont go, simple as.


    I don't see how you can recieve commuinion without coming within 2m of someone but if you can great.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    GarIT wrote: »
    I don't see how you can recieve commuinion without coming within 2m of someone but if you can great.
    It's a 5 second interaction at most and there will be masks. You could win the Euromillions a dozen times over at those odds of getting infected.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,671 ✭✭✭GarIT


    HerrKuehn wrote: »


    That could have been done all along then, what was the problem with closing the churches?


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's a 5 second interaction at most and there will be masks. You could win the Euromillions a dozen times over at those odds of getting infected.


    Especially as it involves contact with the same object that you thne put in your mouth I'd be wary of it. Look at the Toy Show, Tubbardy wasn't allowed touch anything that someone else touched nor could he hand anything to anyone.


    And the chances are much higher than winning the euromillions, it only tkes one priest to have it on his hand and infect thew whole congregation, or a few coughs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    GarIT wrote: »
    That could have been done all along then, what was the problem with closing the churches?






    Especially as it involves contact with the same object that you thne put in your mouth I'd be wary of it. Look at the Toy Show, Tubbardy wasn't allowed touch anything that someone else touched nor could he hand anything to anyone.


    And the chances are much higher than winning the euromillions, it only tkes one priest to have it on his hand and infect thew whole congregation, or a few coughs.

    The problem is that those are just wafers... But you know this


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    The problem is that those are just wafers... But you know this

    You looking for a bit of someone's corpse to munch on?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Rrrrrr2 seems to have left us, so unfortunately it doesn't look as if I will get an answer to the question I put to him as follows:

    Do you see this as an issue of religious freedom?

    Would anyone else like to take it up?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    You looking for a bit of someone's corpse to munch on?

    That kind of stuff doesn't add anything constructive to this discussion. We get it. You don't believe in it. That's ok. Church attendance is not compulsory. You happy now?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    feargale wrote: »
    That kind of stuff doesn't add anything constructive to this discussion. We get it. You don't believe in it. That's ok. Church attendance is not compulsory. You happy now?

    It's a genuine question.

    But then again there's a lot about Christianity that Christians don't like discussing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    It's a genuine question.

    But then again there's a lot about Christianity that Christians don't like discussing.

    I'm sure all here are touched by your genuinness but is it relevant to whether churches should open? If you want an argument about what one should believe or not you are free to open a thread, or you may find that the other A&A missionaries already have one running. They usually have.
    I can't speak for Christians, but contrary to what you imply I would think the reason they don't like discussing the respective merits of religion v non- belief is because they are bored up to the eyeballs at the same stale old stuff in boards, mostly from people just out of short pants or out of boarding school who have been damaged by negative experiences and would blame the pope if a tsunami hit the west coast.

    P.S. I am not religious and if you read my previous posts you will see that I think it wrong to open churches now. Unlike you that is not because I'm non-religious but for safety reasons.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    For a "devout catholic" you have a way of twisting things... To try and use Jesus words to imply that Mass is unimportant or unecessary is dishonest.

    Anyway, worship is permitted again from Tuesday.

    Not very Christian to be questioning the level of someone else's faith.

    Or maybe it is, now that I think about it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,636 ✭✭✭feargale


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Not very Christian to be questioning the level of someone else's faith.

    Or maybe it is, now that I think about it.

    Not very anything good to turn the question of whether Christians should be allowed to worship publicly into the Inquisition in reverse rather than a consideration of the safety issues. It speaks volumes about some people's priorities. But those who have observed some of the schoolboy contributions in boards.ie won't be surprised.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,594 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    GarIT wrote: »
    Especially as it involves contact with the same object that you thne put in your mouth I'd be wary of it. Look at the Toy Show, Tubbardy wasn't allowed touch anything that someone else touched nor could he hand anything to anyone.

    And the chances are much higher than winning the euromillions, it only tkes one priest to have it on his hand and infect thew whole congregation, or a few coughs.

    You clearly haven't got a clue about the procedures churches are following.

    The priest has a facemask, and a shield. He sanitises his hands specifically before distributing communion. If he should accidentally touch a person's hand while he's distributing, he's required to stop and re-sanitise his hands again.

    Do you also support cafes / restaurants being required to be closed? Because in one day's work, a kitchen hand or barista will come into contact with more stuff that goes into people's mouths than a priest saying even three/four masses will.


    Most church buildings are huge and drafty, so people are incredibly well spread and ventilated. People book seats by phone/email in advance (contact tracing data is collected without even having to use a pen). There's no congregational singing. They're all masked.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    feargale wrote: »
    I'm sure all here are touched by your genuinness but is it relevant to whether churches should open? If you want an argument about what one should believe or not you are free to open a thread, or you may find that the other A&A missionaries already have one running. They usually have.
    I can't speak for Christians, but contrary to what you imply I would think the reason they don't like discussing the respective merits of religion v non- belief is because they are bored up to the eyeballs at the same stale old stuff in boards, mostly from people just out of short pants or out of boarding school who have been damaged by negative experiences and would blame the pope if a tsunami hit the west coast.

    P.S. I am not religious and if you read my previous posts you will see that I think it wrong to open churches now. Unlike you that is not because I'm non-religious but for safety reasons.

    John Hutton was dismissing what was on sale on Amazon.

    I'm curious to know what the difference is between what he's in to.

    And the reason Christians don't like discussing things is because they don't like being called out on their support for a genocidal maniac who supports rape and incest as well as the gender discrimination that still exists in their organisation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    John Hutton was dismissing what was on sale on Amazon.

    I'm curious to know what the difference is between what he's in to.

    And the reason Christians don't like discussing things is because they don't like being called out on their support for a genocidal maniac who supports rape and incest as well as the gender discrimination that still exists in their organisation.
    Why would I want to spend my Sunday night engaging with this level of contribution?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭John Hutton


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Not very Christian to be questioning the level of someone else's faith.

    Or maybe it is, now that I think about it.
    Unlike the poster in question, I've never claimed on here to be a particularly good, or devout Christian/Catholic. I'm not.

    Nor have I claimed such to lend credence and authority to an opinion that is in clear contradiction to the faith to which I claim to be a devout follower of.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,370 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    The irony of somebody getting Covid while attending mass and praying to god that the sick are helped would be somewhat comical.


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