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Ireland’s mink population to be culled for being perfectly healthy.

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  • #2
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Hate to break it to you but they're all going to die anyway


  • #3
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,069 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Hate to break it to you but they're all going to die anyway

    So are we, should we start clubbing the symptomatic.


  • #4
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    So are we, should we start clubbing the symptomatic.

    They're being bred in tiny cages to be gassed to death. They're better off dead and hopefully they never farm them in Ireland again. It's shameful.


  • #5
    Uncle Pierre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Hate to break it to you but they're all going to die anyway

    Very true. They're bred just to be killed, and there was an announcement some time back that all fur farming (i.e. mink farming) in Ireland is to be phased out over the coming years anyway. This just hastens the process.

    Mink are absolute b**tards of animals. They kill just for the sake of it and even cats and smaller dogs aren't safe. I remember the damage done by some of them after they escaped from a place near where I grew up, back when mink farming first became "a thing" around late 1970s/early 1980s.

    Not too many will be sorry to see the back of them.


  • #6
    dodderangler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Why are we killing all the Mink, surely they need another mink from a different country to infect them or are humans passing it to animals and then the mink are passing it back?
    If we're not importing foreign mink I don't see why they all need to die.
    https://m.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/irelands-mink-population-to-be-culled-amid-covid-19-fears-39766087.html

    We need a bit of level headedness here as if it's in mink it's probably in a lot more animals we don't know of yet.
    Seems like another knee jerk reaction.

    Eh because theyre invasive and the do gooders released a predator not native to ireland and our own native animals have no defence against them.
    Simple as. Its not their fault that they're predators but they do more damage than cats and foxes combined.
    So yes put a bounty on them. Simple as. And if you want to blame anyone blame the animals rights that broke in and released the hundreds of them


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  • #7
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    dodderangler wrote: »
    Eh because theyre invasive and the do gooders released a predator not native to ireland and our own native animals have no defence against them.
    Simple as. Its not their fault that they're predators but they do more damage than cats and foxes combined.
    So yes put a bounty on them. Simple as. And if you want to blame anyone blame the animals rights that broke in and released the hundreds of them

    I think the people farming millions of them in horrible conditions are culpable too to be fair. This kind of farming is a breeding ground for all kinds of disease. It should not have been happening in the first place.


  • #8
    Halenvaneddie
    Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Halenvaneddie


    Jobs for nobody fur coats for everyone


  • #9
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,069 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Your all mentioning it's ok to kill them as there little feckers which is fair enough.
    We're not killing them for that reason though it's a fear of them getting Covid.

    My point is where are they meant to get the covid from and why is it only mink that can get it, what makes these unique?


  • #10
    DaSilva
    Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    Drunkmonkey, they can catch it from people, how do you think the mink in Denmark got infected?


  • #11
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,435 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    As others have said they are bred to be killed.
    They are a non-native aggressively predatory species that inflict huge damage thanks to "releases" of some of them over the years.

    As for clubbing them to death? The 30k plus mink that are in Irish farms will be gassed.
    They aren't leaving the local problem kid in to engage in a little bit of bloodlust ;)

    Farming and the relationship of humans and animals is the source of both much of humanities pathogenic enemies aswell as our vast range of immunity.

    Leaving the mink farms active, gives a Petri dish to the virus. It has already been shown to have an accelerated effect on Covid mutations.

    Some great academic work on these topics but the 1st few chapters of Guns, Germs and Steel is a great starting point.


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  • #12
    Uncle Pierre
    Registered Users Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭Uncle Pierre


    I think the mink in Denmark are believed to have caught it from infected people? Don't know what makes them more susceptible to it than any other animals that infected people may also have been in contact with.


  • #13
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Your all mentioning it's ok to kill them as there little feckers which is fair enough.
    We're not killing them for that reason though it's a fear of them getting Covid.

    My point is where are they meant to get the covid from and why is it only mink that can get it, what makes these unique?

    Mink to human transmission of a mutant strain that is more resistant to antibodies has been proven. It's an extremely dangerous situation.

    Ending mink farming for good is a silver lining, the conditions are horrific. Check it out on youtube.


  • #14
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,069 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    froog wrote: »
    Mink to human transmission of a mutant strain that is more resistant to antibodies has been proven. It's an extremely dangerous situation.

    Yea but where did the mink get it and why only mink. Something is missing from the story.


  • #15
    Cody montana
    Registered Users Posts: 5,233 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    The fact we farm mink is disgraceful.


  • #16
    DaSilva
    Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yea but where did the mink get it and why only mink. Something is missing from the story.

    It's not only mink, its already thought to have come from bats and infected cats too. The only thing missing is what you keep ignoring everybody saying. The mink catch it from humans, and then a different mutant becomes the predominant variant between mink, and those mutants can infect us too


  • #17
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,435 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Yea but where did the mink get it and why only mink. Something is missing from the story.

    What other predatory mammal species are farmed in such high density in western Europe?
    Similar to bat colonies, high population density of mammalian species often in proximity to their faeces allows virus to be swapped backwards and forwards at hugely accelerated rates.
    Developing antibody resistance and evolving it's virulence and infectivity.

    What other means of farming in Ireland offers similar conditions?


  • #18
    nedkelly123
    Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭nedkelly123


    who buys fur coats anymore ?. i find it disgusting that they are killed for vanity
    spend all their lives in A4 page sized cages and then killed and peeled to make some dope a hat ..VOM


  • #19
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,069 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    DaSilva wrote: »
    It's not only mink, its already thought to have come from bats and infected cats too. The only thing missing is what you keep ignoring everybody saying. The mink catch it from humans, and then a different mutant becomes the predominant variant between mink, and those mutants can infect us too

    and the cats are getting a free pass because?


  • #20
    Mitzy
    Registered Users Posts: 238 ✭✭Mitzy


    nedkelly123 wrote: »
    who buys fur coats anymore ?. i find it disgusting that they are killed for vanity
    spend all their lives in A4 page sized cages and then killed and peeled to make some dope a hat ..VOM


    Apparently they are not really used for fur coats anymore. They are used for false eyelashes. So next time some vegan is lecturing you about having a steak ask them what their false lashes are made from.


  • #21
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,698 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Mitzy wrote: »
    So next time some vegan is lecturing you about having a steak ask them what their false lashes are made from.

    Because this happens all the time, ffs.


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  • #22
    Cunning Stunt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    Irish gvnt need to be careful.
    The Danish gvnt here are in the middle of a s++tstorm now as they apparantly had no legal ground to demand the culling of healthy mink when they gave the orders. Minister for food&agriculture has lost his job now and others are still under question.


  • #23
    gozunda
    Registered Users Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    banie01 wrote: »
    What other predatory mammal species are farmed in such high density in western Europe?
    Similar to bat colonies, high population density of mammalian species often in proximity to their faeces allows virus to be swapped backwards and forwards at hugely accelerated rates.
    Developing antibody resistance and evolving it's virulence and infectivity.What other means of farming in Ireland offers similar conditions?

    Minks as a species are apparently genetically predisposed with Covid to being infected etc.

    As a rule we don't farm carnivorous animals for food primarily for these reasons.

    Some people do eat bushmeat and other backstreet type foods but its the exception rather than the rule. And not just humans btw - most large predators tend to avoid eating other carnivores.

    There had been some interesting research done on it.

    https://phys.org/news/2017-12-carnivores-carnivore-carcasses-transmits-diseases.html


  • #24
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    It's Hoolihan calling for the annihilation of the Mink. Dr Death. He probably wants to flood the market with Mink fur for cheaper Christmas presents. Although the heathen probably doesn't celebrate Christmas.


  • #25
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,435 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    gozunda wrote: »
    Minks as a pecies and apparently are genetically predisposed to being infected etc.

    As a rule we don't farm carnivorous animals for food primarily for these reasons.


    https://phys.org/news/2017-12-carnivores-carnivore-carcasses-transmits-diseases.html

    100% agree, I'd pointed to some research on farming and the variety of pathogen humanity is exposed to in an earlier post.

    Mink and other similar predators are almost ideal incubators for virus propagation and accelerated evolution.

    My rhetoric was more to gain some insight from DM as to what other type of farming could result in the risk? i.e None ;)


  • #26
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users Posts: 7,186 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'm usually all for the restrictions but this does seem excessive. There is no evidence that the mutant strain or indeed any strain has reached Irish minks.

    A more proportionate measure would be to biosecure the farms.


  • #27
    john9876
    Registered Users Posts: 340 ✭✭john9876


    Any idea how many people are employed in the 3 mink farms?


  • #28
    Hoboo
    Registered Users Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    Uncle Pierre wrote: »

    Mink are absolute b**tards of animals. They kill just for the sake of it and even cats and smaller dogs aren't safe. .

    The don't kill just for the sake of it, they kill to store for lean times. Same as foxes.


  • #29
    dodderangler
    Registered Users Posts: 9,204 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Hoboo wrote: »
    The don't kill just for the sake of it, they kill to store for lean times. Same as foxes.

    No they dont. Killin an entire chicken coop, eating heads and neck off some and legging it isn't a animal that stores food


  • #30
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    and the cats are getting a free pass because?

    It would be impossible to cull cats, there is no way of knowing how many cats there are in the country or where they are. Pets tend not to be registered and have you an idea the number of feral cats out there?


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  • #31
    3d4life
    Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭3d4life


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    It's Hoolihan calling for the annihilation of the Mink.. ......

    RTE radio put this out followed by it was also in the

    'Program for Government' :eek:


    Anyway, there used to be a mink farm not far from me and I can confirm that escapees were total bast@rds and the very divil to get out of the place...


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