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Livestock/General Farming photo thread TAKE #2 ::::RULES IN 1st POST::::

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    wrangler wrote: »
    We use one here to test the colostrum, some ewes'd be very watery

    Would you use that information then as part of your breeding program?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,668 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Would you use that information then as part of your breeding program?

    She wouldn't get a chance to be a persistent offender, it'd be more to save the lambs we'd check it, it'd be recorded but it wouldn't be used to pick replacements


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    So what do you do with this information? I was thinking of measuring the DM in our silage, but then I thought WTF would I do with the information when I got it.

    Brix is a tool used by so called regenerative farmers, organic and new age farmers.
    It's recommended by all the soil health gurus.

    The higher the brix, the healthier the plant, the harder it is for pests and diseases and viruses to attack that plant.
    Then it goes that any animal or human that consumes that plant will be healthier too and it'll be harder for diseases and viruses to attack that animal or human.

    Conventional advice here is to cut silage when grass is brix 3.
    Artificial fertilizer lowers brix.
    Organic natural fertilizers full of a lot of minerals raises brix. And foliar feeding same as well.
    I've heard of some in this country getting silage to a brix of 14 but it's years of management to get to that level and you'd want your own mower ready to go when the time is right.
    Brix is low in the morning. High in the afternoon and higher with full strong Sun.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,797 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Do you alter ration based on this or do you use it for grassland management next year?

    I'm still mucking around and just starting.
    But from other applications of other products that I've used that would raise brix but I hadn't the tester then. I'd say it's a benefit for growing and fattening cattle on grass only. I've been able to fatten cows on grass only and get the same grades and killout that before here you'd need meal.
    All the books say it's brix that make the difference. I'll find out now I suppose over the next few years.

    Edit: That Will Armitage that organic dairy farmer mentioned on this forum recently uses brix for years now. He had a tweet years ago of cutting grass silage at brix 14.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    Don't the simmental heifers look great when they are washed and dolled up?

    https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/rathnashan-simmentals-draft-sale-online-14th-nov/26329259


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,668 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Don't the simmental heifers look great when they are washed and dolled up?

    https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/rathnashan-simmentals-draft-sale-online-14th-nov/26329259

    I always liked the simmenthal, they were a very quite breed, I used to try to get them that nice red too, some here would grow to 800kg which would be some pain in a wet autumn.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭charolais0153


    530975.jpg
    lm2014 x eby x cwi yearling out of first calver

    530974.jpg
    tvr x pio 10 month old weanling

    calving this time next year hopefully


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    Hi looking for peoples thoughts on the quite wean paddles, I see a neighbor has them in at the minute, he tells me it's his first year using them so he isn't sure how it will go yet (Saturday will tell). What I have noticed is some of his cows now have a good elders (they nearly look like they are springing). Do you let the calf drink the cow once before you remove the calf and tube the cow or have you to milk out the cow before you tube her?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Anto_Meath wrote: »
    Hi looking for peoples thoughts on the quite wean paddles, I see a neighbor has them in at the minute, he tells me it's his first year using them so he isn't sure how it will go yet (Saturday will tell). What I have noticed is some of his cows now have a good elders (they nearly look like they are springing). Do you let the calf drink the cow once before you remove the calf and tube the cow or have you to milk out the cow before you tube her?

    Never in my farming career have I tubed a suckler to dry her off and I would be Autumn calving most of them so drying in June to meet the flies. Never get problems from drying them off either.
    Just to say my cows would be 3/4 or more beef breed so no real milky first cross Angus cows either.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,668 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Grueller wrote: »
    Never in my farming career have I tubed a suckler to dry her off and I would be Autumn calving most of them so drying in June to meet the flies. Never get problems from drying them off either.
    Just to say my cows would be 3/4 or more beef breed so no real milky first cross Angus cows either.

    I often noted that with the sheep too, the place is alive with flies when we're weaning yet only 2 or 3% get mastitis after weaning


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,621 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Grueller wrote: »
    Never in my farming career have I tubed a suckler to dry her off and I would be Autumn calving most of them so drying in June to meet the flies. Never get problems from drying them off either.
    Just to say my cows would be 3/4 or more beef breed so no real milky first cross Angus cows either.

    He's probably talking about sealers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I do tube dry most of my cows as most of them are fairly milky, I have thankfully never had an any issue with mastitis. What I have always done is bring them into the yard in the morning then after dinner separate the cows and calves to tube the cows. Calves will have the cows drank dry when tubing. I feed the cows straw for a few days in a pens beside the calves, there would be a little bit of bawling but not a lot as the cows can lick the calf through the bars, it has aways worked well for me. The cows then go out to a bit of winterage ground for awhile.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭Grueller


    Lie back is ready now for the calves. I will get 8-10 weeks before having to touch that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 182 ✭✭pure breed


    Anto_Meath wrote:
    Hi looking for peoples thoughts on the quite wean paddles, I see a neighbor has them in at the minute, he tells me it's his first year using them so he isn't sure how it will go yet (Saturday will tell). What I have noticed is some of his cows now have a good elders (they nearly look like they are springing). Do you let the calf drink the cow once before you remove the calf and tube the cow or have you to milk out the cow before you tube her?

    we've used the wean pads and their good unless the cow has big teats where the calf is still able to work around the wean pad.
    We've been putting a few inch long screws onto the wean pads and this seems to do the trick.
    We also use them on young cows that are inclined to suck as well and it works for this too.
    Usially tube the cows a 1-2 weeks after weaning them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,493 ✭✭✭bogman_bass


    Anto_Meath wrote: »
    Hi looking for peoples thoughts on the quite wean paddles, I see a neighbor has them in at the minute, he tells me it's his first year using them so he isn't sure how it will go yet (Saturday will tell). What I have noticed is some of his cows now have a good elders (they nearly look like they are springing). Do you let the calf drink the cow once before you remove the calf and tube the cow or have you to milk out the cow before you tube her?

    You missed your chance. Tube them the day you put the paddle in. The cow has a seal at this stage you are only causing problems by going in with tubes


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,563 ✭✭✭Grueller


    What age of calves will be in there and what would the density be? Any reason as to why you go for sawdust over straw?
    The thing I like about the sawdust is you can go in with a shovel and lift the dung where it lies without causing much disturbance to the reset of the bed, then shake the dust around it and its good to go for another while.

    Autumn born calves. 4 weeks to 3 months going in. I will have 30 of them lying back there with access to the cows on the slats 24/7.
    I go for the sawdust simply because I have a neighbour who is a joiner and he dumps it there from the extractor system. In other words it's free. I find the labour saving over straw a godsend even more so than the cost savings.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    What should be the expected kg/day weight gain for suckler calves at 200 days? I've done a quick scoot on Google and it seems to be 1.3-1.4 kg/day and 1.1-1.2 kg/day for males and females.

    Is that what you all work off?

    That’s probably about right
    It can vary due to many factors, grass quality, milk, nuts, worm burden & weather
    When I weighed for Beeps in July, I’d ranges from 1.2kg/day to 1.6kg/day

    We weigh here as 300-350kg is ideal weight to sell bulls
    Plus it lets you see your better and worse preformers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭CloughCasey1


    Sunset over Galway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    Two May blue bulls. Just weaned so was a noisy shed for a couple of days :(



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Two May blue bulls. Just weaned so was a noisy shed for a couple of days :(


    What bull are they off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    tellmeabit wrote: »
    What bull are they off?

    White is SOY off a Charolais cow & the black is BZC off a Limousin. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,744 ✭✭✭✭patsy_mccabe


    A bit of Opticlox will sort that sore eye.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    A bit of Opticlox will sort that sore eye.

    Aye he's done, only cropped up this morning so did him after I was in town.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    White is SOY off a Charolais cow & the black is BZC off a Limousin. :)
    Lovely animals.

    How do you find SOY at calving. 13%
    I have used dbz, and rws, 11% I think, a few times, chanced a DEP 18% this year not sure what I've let myself in for. Big cows alright but the fear factor or the high %. Thought rws was grand after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    tellmeabit wrote: »
    Lovely animals.

    How do you find SOY at calving. 13%
    I have used dbz, and rws, 11% I think, a few times, chanced a DEP 18% this year not sure what I've let myself in for. Big cows alright but the fear factor or the high %. Thought rws was grand after.

    Only used SOY twice, got twins the last time, I got the vet for this fella as I wasn't sure those shoulders were going to come out naturally but the Jack did the job in the end.
    Next year I've used SOY, OOT & BB2247.
    Used an Ecolo straw along with the SOY one though so dunno which she held to.
    I don't really look much at the CD if a cow has proven herself a good calver or is wide & the dam of her calved handily enough. Would just watch the diet a lot if they're looking heavy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,134 ✭✭✭tellmeabit


    Thanks for that. Haven't had an extreme muscle animal here for a while. We're all Mozart until last couple years. In March have bb5223, dbz, rws and an sfl (was the only blue in the tank that day.) Cows getting older now and I'm getting more tempted by the blues. Thanks again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    tellmeabit wrote: »
    Thanks for that. Haven't had an extreme muscle animal here for a while. We're all Mozart until last couple years. In March have bb5223, dbz, rws and an sfl (was the only blue in the tank that day.) Cows getting older now and I'm getting more tempted by the blues. Thanks again

    SFL! Those straws go a good price now. Hope for a heifer from that one!! Best of luck with them anyway, the bit of muscle is always tempting alright :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭Hard Knocks


    SFL! Those straws go a good price now. Hope for a heifer from that one!! Best of luck with them anyway, the bit of muscle is always tempting alright :D

    SFL was a Great breeder
    BB2247 is gone too


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,174 ✭✭✭Lady Haywire


    SFL was a Great breeder
    BB2247 is gone too

    He's gone? Did he get hurt? Thought he was only new this year.
    Funnily enough, he's on both the mothers of those two calves.


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