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BPKS · 14-10-2020 06:36PM

It's gas listening to Richie, Nathan and Molloy trying to defend the Irish football team.

Richie thinks we should never have to rely on the likes of Richard Dunnes heroics in Moscow and should be happy that we can go away to Finland and break even on possession.

I feel sorry for the cards Kenny has been dealt over the last two weeks but Ireland don't look like they would score against a team full of training cones a lot of the time.

But I think the hipsters #greatestleagueintheworld types in the media will ever give Kenny a hard time no matter what his team does.

14-10-2020 06:43PM

statesaver wrote: »

Why are they giving out about Mick on Sky Sports and not the game and results or lack there of.

Thought we were passed gallant defeats.

I think they are right that it's inappropriate for Mick to be analysing games for Sky under the circumstances.

However, I think it is probably equally odd to have Vinny Perth on analysing the team given his relationship with Kenny.

I don't think either of them is capable of giving impartial analysis on Kenny.

Higgins5473 · 14-10-2020 07:18PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think they are right that it's inappropriate for Mick to be analysing games for Sky under the circumstances.

He has no contract with the FAI, he’s been offered a job/contract with I’m assuming decent money. How is a manager looking after his own interests and marketing himself for potential opportunities any different from a player jumping ship to another club when something comes up. Nonsense.

14-10-2020 07:41PM

Higgins5473 wrote: »

He has no contract with the FAI, he’s been offered a job/contract with I’m assuming decent money. How is a manager looking after his own interests and marketing himself for potential opportunities any different from a player jumping ship to another club when something comes up. Nonsense.

He made nearly €2m from the Ireland job for not a lot of work, walking away with a €1m golden handshake for a job he didn't get to finish. He's not stuck for money and did very well out of the FAI at a time when they were financially on the brink.

There are loads of other punditry gigs he could have taken if he needs to put himself in the shop window as you say. Analysing Ireland and critiquing them is just odd. Let the new man just get on with - he had his shot. Twice.

Feenix · 14-10-2020 09:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think they are right that it's inappropriate for Mick to be analysing games for Sky under the circumstances.

However, I think it is probably equally odd to have Vinny Perth on analysing the team given his relationship with Kenny.

I don't think either of them is capable of giving impartial analysis on Kenny.

I think Perth is quite good to listen to. He talks more about Kenny's tactics than the team itself. I usually have no interest listening to someone talking tactics but he seems to have carved out a niche for himself there.

Agree on McCarthy, surprised how out of touch he is. He took the FAI to the cleaners while they're up **** creek. Youd think he would keep the head down for a while.

generalgerry · 14-10-2020 09:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think they are right that it's inappropriate for Mick to be analysing games for Sky under the circumstances.

Yeah I would agree on this. He's taken massive amounts of money from the FAI, especially given that they are bankrupt. You would think that he would just leave the new manager alone to try to plough his own furrow without him sticking his oar in on the live commentary for every damned match. I think it's mean spirited on his part, and I think it's deliberately provocative. Probably something that Sky thought would be clever/mischievous, but McCarthy shouldn't have been a part of it.

15-10-2020 06:07AM

Feenix wrote: »

I think Perth is quite good to listen to. He talks more about Kenny's tactics than the team itself. I usually have no interest listening to someone talking tactics but he seems to have carved out a niche for himself there.

Agree on McCarthy, surprised how out of touch he is. He took the FAI to the cleaners while they're up **** creek. Youd think he would keep the head down for a while.

He's very good at the tactical side. Explains the Ireland system very well and did a great piece on the role of the modern number 10 role and how it has developed from the older version. I've watched and appreciated Hendrick's work a bit more since hearing him, which is what good radio is all about. However, I do also think it's a little inappropriate to use him as regularly as they are doing of late. For example, he was on just after the match yesterday and that wasn't as much of a reflective and analytical piece.

RugbyLover123 · 15-10-2020 08:06AM

Anyone know where I can get Monday Night Rugby with ROG? Wasn’t uploaded to Spotify and coming up 0:00 on the app?

deisedude · 15-10-2020 01:16PM

RugbyLover123 wrote: »

Anyone know where I can get Monday Night Rugby with ROG? Wasn’t uploaded to Spotify and coming up 0:00 on the app?

All their stuff is uploaded to Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ae51kAjMPo

generalgerry · 15-10-2020 08:47PM

The Giles segment went a bit off the rails again. Nathan is probably the person with the best temperament to do the Giles bit all the same. Didn't Gilroy used to do this all the time, and then Joe? Is it seen like the "draw the shortest straw" item on the schedule?

Renegadema · 15-10-2020 10:09PM

generalgerry wrote: »

The Giles segment went a bit off the rails again. Nathan is probably the person with the best temperament to do the Giles bit all the same. Didn't Gilroy used to do this all the time, and then Joe? Is it seen like the "draw the shortest straw" item on the schedule?

It’s a tough slot for the presenters. I switched it off Immediately when Giles finished picking His team including McClean, Arter, Horgan and Idah and no Mcgoldrick. I’m not quite sure how that team could make sense in anyone’s head. And the presenter is too cowed to ask where the hell is Mcgoldrick.

Chalk McHugh · 15-10-2020 10:13PM

I must be one of John's biggest fans but how he rates McClean so highly i just dont get. Especially these days. To hear John pick McClean and Horgan in his best Irish team was a bit mad. Still though he was asked his best 11 so had to give an answer. Lets be honest its hard to pick any best 11 with the squad we have and not have it open to scrutiny and perhaps even a little ridicule.

Renegadema · 15-10-2020 10:21PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

I must beone of John's biggest fans but how herates McClean so highhly i just dont get. Especially today. Tohear John pick McClean and Horgan in his best Irish team was a bit mad. Still though he was asked his best 11 so had to give an answer. Lets be honest its hard to pick any best 11 with the squad we have and not have it open to scrutinyand perhaps even a little ridicule.

I’m not sure he was asked to pick his best eleven at all. I thought he was asked how he would make the team more effective in compared to what he perceived as pointless passing that Kenny’s Ireland does. Then he Just launched into picking midfield and strikers of a 4-4-2. Didn’t pick defenders. He wanted Idah in but struggled to remember who he was. He then said he was “going to get a bit technical” and it was too much cringe to bear. It’ll be interesting to see how long this goes on.

Chalk McHugh · 15-10-2020 10:24PM

Renegadema wrote: »

I’m not sure he was asked to pick his best eleven at all. I thought he was asked how he would make the team more effective in compared to what he perceived as pointless passing that Kenny’s Ireland does. Then he Just launched into picking midfield and strikers of a 4-4-2. Didn’t pick defenders. He wanted Idah in but struggled to remember who he was. He then said he was “going to get a bit technical” and it was too much cringe to bear. It’ll be interesting to see how long this goes on.

It wasn't John's finest hour that's for sure. Possibly one of his worst. But we all have bad days. Gilesy will be back on form next Monday on Dunphy's pod just wait and see:)

Renegadema · 15-10-2020 10:25PM

In fairness Younger pundits on OTB all say daft things.

Stephanie Roche earmarked Shane Duffy as the first penalty taker if it went to pens vs slovakia which it eventually did. Even Gilesy would do better than that.

Kenny Cunningham thinks firmino is a better finisher than salah or Mane.

I want a sports show where the interviewer just stops these people mid sentence and says “sorry, but that is just wrong, can you try a different opinion”.

16-10-2020 06:08AM

Renegadema wrote: »

It’s a tough slot for the presenters. I switched it off Immediately when Giles finished picking His team including McClean, Arter, Horgan and Idah and no Mcgoldrick. I’m not quite sure how that team could make sense in anyone’s head. And the presenter is too cowed to ask where the hell is Mcgoldrick.

Second analysis piece he's done on Ireland in the last week and it's been cringeworthy. It's hard on the presenter not to pull him up without being disrespectful. They shouldn't bother doing topical stuff with him and just focus on a weekly nostalgia piece. Giles clearly enjoys still doing it and he has lots to offer but allowing him to make himself look silly while analysing the current Irish football team is not doing anyone any favours.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 16-10-2020 08:45AM

Renegadema wrote: »

I’m not sure he was asked to pick his best eleven at all. I thought he was asked how he would make the team more effective in compared to what he perceived as pointless passing that Kenny’s Ireland does. Then he Just launched into picking midfield and strikers of a 4-4-2. Didn’t pick defenders. He wanted Idah in but struggled to remember who he was. He then said he was “going to get a bit technical” and it was too much cringe to bear. It’ll be interesting to see how long this goes on.

He said similar on Dunphys podcast earlier and even Eamon seemed bemused by the team he was suggesting

deisedude · 16-10-2020 09:08AM

Giles is fine when he is talking about nostalgia pieces. His segment where he picked best all time 11s was enjoyable but he hasn't a scooby doo about the modern game

Turned off last night when he started talking about Nottingham Forest from the 80s as a template of play Ireland could learn from

Did anyone listen to the Noel King interview?
No wonder the U21s did nothing under him. So unbelievably negative. He considers qualifying for a 24 team euros an overachievement

Renegadema · 16-10-2020 03:06PM

deisedude wrote: »

He considers qualifying for a 24 team euros an overachievement

I would agree it was an overachievement to be honest. Achieving qualification with no goal scoring or creating threat is a big ask. Noel King wasn’t that inaccurate in most of what he said.

Irish fans aren’t used to being presented with A cold light of day view like King had in the national media. The media prefer pie in the sky optimism and demonizing managers as dinosaurs when they are simply pragmatic.

It’s when I read social media commentary on the Irish team that I really realize that people’s opinion are in a stranglehold by the media.

dr.kenneth noisewater · 16-10-2020 03:19PM

Jimmy Dunne was very good on last nights show. Old head on young shoulders

Renegadema · 16-10-2020 03:21PM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

Jimmy Dunne was very good on last nights show. Old head on young shoulders

He really was. A really winning type of personality.

Feenix · 16-10-2020 06:02PM

Haven’t listened to Giles in a long time, he’s too painful but Noel King gives him a run for his money. Seems like a really difficult man to deal with. Not sure if he was avoiding some questions intentionally or he’s just not smart enough to comprehend them. I’m fairly sure he had no idea 24 teams qualify for the Euros or that the playoff was a back door through the NL judging by his comments. He just babbles and goes on tangents then when he’s asked to elaborate on something he’s said. I think he’s just a bit thick tbh. He reminds me so much of a manager I had in a previous job, very frustrating.

Jimmy Dunne was excellent.

16-10-2020 07:02PM

Feenix wrote: »

Haven’t listened to Giles in a long time, he’s too painful but Noel King gives him a run for his money. Seems like a really difficult man to deal with. Not sure if he was avoiding some questions intentionally or he’s just not smart enough to comprehend them. I’m fairly sure he had no idea 24 teams qualify for the Euros or that the playoff was a back door through the NL judging by his comments. He just babbles and goes on tangents then when he’s asked to elaborate on something he’s said. I think he’s just a bit thick tbh. He reminds me so much of a manager I had in a previous job, very frustrating.

Jimmy Dunne was excellent.

Kenny's time with the U21s exposed King for the charlatan he was and he's bitter about that. Within one campaign, Kenny tore up the system King used, filled the team with homegrown players and was quite successful.

King had the dual role of U21 manager and for want of a better word 'recruitment' of talent for a long time. It was a made up job and a reward for his loyalty. He chased down and filled his U21 team with absolute muck from the lower leagues in England who had tenuous links to Ireland and no long term international prospects, and his teams failed miserably campaign after campaign.

He was an utter disaster but was a Delaney yes man and had his contract renewed without question.

He reminds me of a taxi driver who engages you in conversation but has no interest in what you have to say and loves the sound of his own voice.

Brock Turnpike · 16-10-2020 07:29PM

Feenix wrote: »

Haven’t listened to Giles in a long time, he’s too painful but Noel King gives him a run for his money. Seems like a really difficult man to deal with. Not sure if he was avoiding some questions intentionally or he’s just not smart enough to comprehend them. I’m fairly sure he had no idea 24 teams qualify for the Euros or that the playoff was a back door through the NL judging by his comments. He just babbles and goes on tangents then when he’s asked to elaborate on something he’s said. I think he’s just a bit thick tbh. He reminds me so much of a manager I had in a previous job, very frustrating.

Did he say "umpteen" during the course of the conversation?

deisedude · 16-10-2020 08:28PM

Renegadema wrote: »

I would agree it was an overachievement to be honest. Achieving qualification with no goal scoring or creating threat is a big ask. Noel King wasn’t that inaccurate in most of what he said.

Irish fans aren’t used to being presented with A cold light of day view like King had in the national media. The media prefer pie in the sky optimism and demonizing managers as dinosaurs when they are simply pragmatic.

It’s when I read social media commentary on the Irish team that I really realize that people’s opinion are in a stranglehold by the media.

Qualifying is a small achievement but its certainly not an overachievement. Being one of 24 out of 48

Croatia have a population of 4 million and they got to the world Cup final. Thats an overachievement

Did you smash it · 16-10-2020 08:46PM

deisedude wrote: »

Qualifying is a small achievement but its certainly not an overachievement. Being one of 24 out of 48

Croatia have a population of 4 million and they got to the world Cup final. Thats an overachievement

If it was 24 out of 53 teams would you consider it more of an achievement? Because that’s how many there were.

deisedude · 16-10-2020 09:09PM

Did you smash it wrote: »

If it was 24 out of 53 teams would you consider it more of an achievement? Because that’s how many there were.

Not really

bike2wkr · 17-10-2020 11:12AM

deisedude wrote: »

Qualifying is a small achievement but its certainly not an overachievement. Being one of 24 out of 48

Croatia have a population of 4 million and they got to the world Cup final. Thats an overachievement

Noel king obviously has an axe to grind. Thought he was very negative about the new regime in interview. He wasn't so good himself as interim manager or u21 manager.
Hopefully results pick up but at least Kenny is blooding new players and giving it a go.

padd b1975 · 17-10-2020 04:50PM

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

It wasn't John's finest hour that's for sure. Possibly one of his worst. But we all have bad days. Gilesy will be back on form next Monday on Dunphy's pod just wait and see:)

Shocking to be honest.

He seemed to think that goalkeepers couldn't handle a back pass at the 1990 World Cup.

Thanks for the memories John, but every dog has its day.

Feenix · 17-10-2020 05:01PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Shocking to be honest.

He seemed to think that goalkeepers couldn't handle a back pass at the 1990 World Cup.

Thanks for the memories John, but every dog has its day.

A myth that he was ever a good pundit anyway imo. He's been playing the same tune for as long as I remember.

Obviously hes very likeable and managed to keep himself in a job. I think people with a passing interest in football like listening to him.

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