Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Ah shure little old Ireland should go out on its own, be an outlier for complete lockdown despite already having the most stringent lockdown in Europe at level 3, and case numbers on the lower end of the scale. We've a middle of the road hospital service here aswel, despite what some would like you to believe.

I cant get over the arrogance of some to think that we alone in this country have the answers and the rest of Europe don't. And that's not even referencing the point made that we may not be lent the funds to pay for a lockdown if we took that option. Leo may have been using that point for convenience but it's scary if true

We don't have the answers. No-one does, that's the problem. Immediate lockdown results in all sorts of problems all across the board - huge problems - but the alternative is to delay the inevitable - and to ultimately make that inevitable worse: we are going to pay the price one way or the other, barring an absolute miracle, but we may end up paying that price with interest. If numbers continue to rise - and there is no reason to even dream that they won't - then harsher and more drawn out measures than what we currently have in place are 100% guaranteed. One hundred per cent.

Open the Pubs wrote: »

I'm not a troll, you're just posting unhinged nonsense all day, you need to get out of the house and actually talk with people.

Haha says the one who is completely removed from reality in the situation we're going through.

Get a grip and stay out of the pubs. It must be killing you pubs are gone from tomorrow haha

On the ignore list now as I won't waste another post count on some rereg troll. Bye bye ****

Arghus wrote: »

Martin looked like a beaten docket tonight making that speech.

The coming weeks will tell. Not too inspiring though. He’s not a great orator. We know Leo is a sham but if you didn’t know him, he could probably convince you chicken was fish... mask does and has slipped though.

ShooterSF wrote: »

Watching Vradkar's interview why was he asking NPHET what to tell businesses that had to close? How is that in the remit of a public health advisory board?

100%. That’s the job of the fûcking government for god sake... I mean the guy is just stirring.

shocksy wrote: »

Just like FF and the spectacular f*ck up they caused with the financial crash, they're going down the route of another monumental f*ck up with this pandemic. After today, and ignoring the advice of NPHET, if things do get worse in the coming weeks they will have a huge amount to answer for and should never ever be in government again and FG won't be much better. Everyone congratulating Leo for tonight, it was only a few weeks ago he would of been public enemy number one. How people soon forget. And it will be the same when our health service goes to sh!t and the very same people calling Leo a hero tonight will be calling for his and the governments heads. Going against public health advice is a very bad move. As for the economy, we could just keep borrowing to some extent. Yes many businesses will go under and cause hardship for families but that's unfortunately life, same way it will happen in other countries. The main priority needs to be eradicating this virus. People bounce back and supports can be put in place. New businesses will open up. That's the way of life, always has been and always will be. We bounced back after the last recession when businesses crumbled. There's always someone new out there waiting to open up a new business.

gilmour wrote: »

I swore to myself months ago that i'd never post in this thread but i can't help but chime in here. I'm in agreement with everything you're saying. That "leak" last night did not come from Nphet or Holohan, in fact i'd be willing to bet a few quid that it was Varadkar himself.

What puzzled me about his interview tonight was his "they'll not do that again" attitude coming from the very man who was at a Gala in Washington only to be briefed in very similar abrupt circumstances that something had to change immediately. But because he was the Taoiseach and not sniping from the shadows he arranged an immediate intervention that was broadcast to the nation within hours that set the country into a blind panic with runs on the supermarkets. Was he wrong at the time? No, absolutely not. But did that experience vanish from his memory? Or is it because he is absolutely loving the position of being in the shadows spraying the political football like Pirlo in his prime with his "What about if we took Belgiums approach?" "International travel within a fortnight should happen" musings on twitter....

What does he benefit from it? He has the other clowns head on a spike for the next 3 weeks while Nphet are now completely and utterly demeaned in similar fashion to how Trump torched Fauci and the CDC in the states.

He is an arrogant self serving ****.

If I was being overly fair to both parties I think I can understand the impasse to an extent.

NPHET's remit is to give advice solely focused on public health. That's their role. All other considerations are not their concern. So from a public health perspective to advise for an immediate escalation to level 5 makes sense. A sledgehammer is the only thing that is going to squash these numbers. I see no conflict between them recommending an immediate level 5 and their primary role. If you want to bring the numbers down and protect the health service - and you don't have to think of anything else, because it's not your role to do so - you can only, in good conscience, recommend this approach.

The government has to think of another countless amounts of considerations, this is inevitably going to bring them into conflict with the advice NPHET gives. All those things Leo listed off this evening on Claire Bryne are all real. The government has a lot on its plate. Conflict between that and NPHET's - justifiable - monomania on public health is going to arise.

But, I'm not sure, if I buy the whole it was just sprung on us line. Maybe it was. But if it came as a shock to them - their main defence, as far as I can see - then that's damning enough as it is and shows they haven't been paying much attention. The situation has been clearly deteriorating now for quite some time and it's not as if NPHET haven't been sounding the alarm. The words, tone and public messaging out of Dr. Glynn and, particularly, Professor Nolan have been crystal clear for weeks now: this is getting worse and it can't go on like this. NPHET have been hamstrung for quite a while now, having to always sing from the same hymn sheet and never to be seen differing from the dithering political decisions for fear of upsetting the whole show. I don't doubt for a second that behind closed doors their message has been a lot less diluted.

People have amazing, truly amazing faith on here, that the government are making the right call. Okay then, I hope - sincerely - that they are right and that my gut feeling is totally wrong. I will be delighted to be wrong. But, first, ask yourself one question - Since this government took power name one previous decision the government has taken up to this point which has proved to be the right one or hasn't later had to be amended or revised?

Michael Martins message completly overshadowed by Leo's under the bus throwing of Tony H.

3 options... nephet/a singular member or government/minister or civil servant or actually four nephet and the government both or even unknown persons. Very quick leak.