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Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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  • #962
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Thierry12 wrote: »
    Yes its awful

    We will have to deny ICU to elderly ( 70+ ) soon

    See that we only have 7 available beds for paediatrics right now, we will have to put kids into adult ICU

    Those who take precautions - cocooning, wearing PPE when they go into shops and other busy areas - are less likely to contract the virus.


  • #963
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,094 ✭✭✭political analyst


    polesheep wrote: »
    Best to leave it at the bit in bold.

    Point taken.


  • #964
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    political analyst wrote: »
    Those who take precautions - cocooning, wearing PPE when they go into shops and other busy areas - are less likely to contract the virus.

    Will they not hug grandchildren?


  • #965
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I think 1 child has made it to ICU since march?

    5/9/2020 1 in 0-4 age group

    2 from 5-14 age group not sure of date of latest was before 24/5/2020


  • #966
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,344 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    seamus wrote: »
    Quite a few freaking out about Varadkar's dressing down of NPHET, but it will gain him a lot of kudos in the "He's just saying what everyone is thinking" stakes.

    That is, that it's very easy for NPHET to recommend a hard lockdown when none of them will have to deal with the consequences of it. They'll all go home on their decent state salaries and private health insurance, virtually unaffected by any economic shocks or healthcare restrictions.

    I wonder is Varadkar livid at Holohan leaking to the press last night and so is giving him a warning to not play political games.

    He gave a great interview. His points are valid and reasonable. Would the public have supported nphets recommendation to level 5? The implication that our borrowing costs would go up immediately as a result of it...Money doesn’t grow on trees & it was an experimental suggestion re ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown.


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  • #967
    igCorcaigh
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    Rob A. Bank wrote: »
    Varadker may be an inactive medical doctor but he is certainly not an epidemiologist.

    He said that the 'circuit breaker' (severe lockdown) was not working in Israel or Australia.

    Israel had peak reported daily cases of 11,315 on Sept 23rd... today it is 2,332.

    Australia had peak reported daily cases of 721 on July 30th... today it is 13.

    One would hope that the government decision to go against science (joining the likes of Trump and Bolsonaro) was not based on grossly mistaken opinions like his.

    I was thinking this too... He was quick to disregard the circuit breaker concept, with no push back.


  • #968
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,847 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1313242375754600450

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #969
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    He gave a great interview. His points are valid and reasonable. Would the public have supported nphets recommendation to level 5? The implication that our borrowing costs would go up immediately as a result of it...Money doesn’t grow on trees & it was an experimental suggestion re ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown.

    So the statement that our borrowing levels are limited... Is that because of the EU rule?

    Have the EU revised that?


  • #970
    Thierry12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭Thierry12


    mloc123 wrote: »
    I think 1 child has made it to ICU since march?

    Those poor kids have other illnesses


  • #971
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,378 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1313242375754600450

    That clown,he had no problem going abroad during the summer


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  • #972
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    spookwoman wrote: »
    numbers listed on telly earlier
    https://twitter.com/alwaysgivingout/status/1313233034070634499?s=20

    So there are only 39 free ICU beds to cover all illnesses during the winter?


  • #973
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TexasTornado wrote: »
    Halloween will be a super spreader event now country wide.

    Be in level 4 .256 by then .


  • #974
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    The problem is not whatever level we're on, it's public compliance which is abysmal right now. People should stop being angry at NPHET and politicians and start directing it towards the morons ****ing this up for the rest of us.


  • #975
    amadangomor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,144 ✭✭✭amadangomor


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    Not even remotely enough data on the bolded points to put a dent in the fact of Covid being a mild illness to most.

    You would imagine 7/8 months in there would be some evidence that ‘long-Covid’ is more prevalent than any other post-viral complications.

    And if that many were being reinfected, with all the data collected from contact tracing we could cross check if people are presenting twice for Covid 3/4 months from first positive?

    Exactly the point I was going to make but couldn't be arsed responding to Mr Know it all over aggressive yoke who presumes everyone else knows nothing.

    Also there were plenty of things in March that looked like more of a risk for example how long the virus lasted on surfaces and whether this was a major risk.
    Now we know person to person contact/proximity is how it primarily spreads.


  • #976
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,453 ✭✭✭almostover


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    He gave a great interview. His points are valid and reasonable. Would the public have supported nphets recommendation to level 5? The implication that our borrowing costs would go up immediately as a result of it...Money doesn’t grow on trees & it was an experimental suggestion re ‘circuit breaker’ lockdown.

    It's going to be a career defining interview regardless of the result. If the price to pay wasnt death it would make for fantastic political entertainment. If level 3 works this government will look heroic for their common sense approach. If level 3 delays an inevitable slide to level 5 in the lead up to xmas then they are as good as finished. Big thing is that government is now driving the bus, if it crashes there's no one else to blame. I hope they've gotten it right


  • #977
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,592 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Back in April we had a total of 400 critical care beds, was there really over 100 of them from private hospitals or would they total also include converted operating theaters?


  • #978
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    The 277 figure is referring to the number of ICU beds opened and staffed as of 6.30 pm on the 4th of October as in the HSE operations report yesterday. 238 of them were occupied and 39 were available for new admissions. Some of those would be ICU beds in sub specialist ICU units. For example, there could be an open ICU bed in the neurosurgery ICU but that would not be the right place to put a suspected or confirmed Covid case needing ICU care.

    ICU open and staffed bed counts got up to over 400 during to Covid peak. This was done by a whole myriad of actions and processes. Additional areas of hospitals were repurposed to function as ICU beds. Theatre recovery areas for example that are normally occupied by patients who have just had operations were converted. Surgeries were cancelled to do that. Nurses operated through ‘buddy’ systems. One fully trained ICU nurse working with a nurse with less ICU experience to look after two patients at a 1:1 ratio but with extra pressure on both the experienced ICU and their buddy. Many ICU nurses did extra shifts. That can be done for a while but is not a long term solution as staff would quickly burnout. Staff in those critical care areas took no leave and staff were redeployed from teaching and management roles so that increased the bank of staff for a while.


  • #979
    eleventh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭eleventh


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Maybe .
    Or maybe government leaked it, not NPHET, because someone, ( Leo or Paul maybe ) have an axe to grind with Tony?
    Whoever leaked it should be sacked anyway. It's not something that should happen again. Enough fear going around without adding to it.


  • #980
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    froog wrote: »
    The problem is not whatever level we're on, it's public compliance which is abysmal right now. People should stop being angry at NPHET and politicians and start directing it towards the morons ****ing this up for the rest of us.

    Of course, but that is wishful thinking not policy.
    The government can only do what they control.
    (which is your point of course, and I agree)


  • #981
    [Deleted User]
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    If the issue is ICU beds, and I think the only issue is ICU beds, then surely a well placed call by Leo into Boris will sort that easily enough. The UK have literally thousands of mothballed ICU beds, which weren’t even used last time, let alone in this wave. There were 3,000 ICU beds in the London nightingale hospital alone. Or am I missing something


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  • #982
    [Deleted User]
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    Arghus wrote: »
    Somebody leaked that letter, but I wouldn't be too sure that it was Tony Holohan.

    Leo getting lots of good press here and elsewhere tonight for sticking it to NPHET. But I'm a bit concerned that our totally competent political leaders are saying one thing and our medical experts are saying another. Which one of them would you bet on eventually being proved right?

    NPHET may as well be staffed by Nazi's in the eyes of many on here, but I will eat my hat if we don't end up exactly where they are telling us we will end up.

    Some of the hysterical shrieking on the relaxation thread is so toxic. Some are thinly veiled anti vaxxers. Others are blatant ageist. I find it very sad that anybody would have such a myopic view on life. Very much a me fein attitude.


  • #983
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    You would imagine 7/8 months in there would be some evidence that ‘long-Covid’ is more prevalent than any other post-viral complications.

    And if that many were being reinfected, with all the data collected from contact tracing we could cross check if people are presenting twice for Covid 3/4 months from first positive?

    Not really, during our first wave we most likely identified somewhere between 5 and 10% of the infected. We have no real data whatsoever here about the amount of people who had "long Covid." There were claims from Sweden that 15% of infected people had symptoms for at least 3 months. And back in April, data taken in Korea showed 37% of people in one facility had symptoms for over 30 days.

    The same is true of reinfections. The populations in countries were most cases were detected, Korea, Singapore, New Zealand, etc are not at real risk of reinfection because of how low their current infection rates are. In Europe, the US, South America, etc, where people are at higher risk of infection, the majority of infections were never confirmed, so we almost no real idea if any recent infections are reinfections. Yet, despite it being rare to have not just a confirmed infections twice, but to have the genetic sequence of both viral swabs analysed and confirmed to be reinfections. There have been numerous such cases confirmed. Not a huge amount, but this is a situation where the adage, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence," is extremely apt.


  • #984
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    An Ri rua wrote: »
    You'd rather we had a scandal in a year's time where it comes out in a review or tribunal that professional advice was ignored by semi-literate politicians and their journeymen media advisers?? After all the deaths? That's how we do sh1t in Ireland. Bullsh1t reviews, wipe our feet ón families.
    Can you imagine the AG's advice being ignored? Clearly NPHET felt constrained in recent months by the Covid sub-comi-teeee and wanted the Irish people to know their professional assessment. Not good politics, but very effective.
    I, for one, am glad that NPHET's advice resonates with my analysis of the figures and my dismay at seeing crowds outside pubs and kids going outside counties to play matches. I mean come on folks. We're not being responsible, not remotely.
    Thanks to Holohan's brave stance, I feel assured in taking the moves necessary to protect vulnerable people in my family.
    Abre los ojos.

    No answer so


  • #985
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,182 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    almostover wrote: »
    It's going to be a career defining interview regardless of the result. If the price to pay wasnt death it would make for fantastic political entertainment. If level 3 works this government will look heroic for their common sense approach. If level 3 delays an inevitable slide to level 5 in the lead up to xmas then they are as good as finished. Big thing is that government is now driving the bus, if it crashes there's no one else to blame. I hope they've gotten it right

    I was thinking this earlier that today felt in some ways like when the government in 08 announced the Bank Guarantee. Another day that Government plotted its own course.


  • #986
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,046 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    froog wrote: »
    The problem is not whatever level we're on, it's public compliance which is abysmal right now. People should stop being angry at NPHET and politicians and start directing it towards the morons ****ing this up for the rest of us.
    This. It's why I think the additions in Level 4/5 won't make much of a difference except for small businesses because people aren't doing the basics. Closing a bookshop or barbers won't fix that.


  • #987
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,411 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Where are they telling us we'll end up? I haven't seen any mention of it.
    Rolling beat downs is all i'm seeing.

    Countrywide level 5, but with twice as many daily cases. You can't say we haven't been warned.


  • #988
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,453 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well its a fairly big issue if the HSE don't agree with what your recommending

    HSE , or Paul Reid , has been pulling against NPHET since he fxxxed up with nursing home staffing etc and PPE , and he had to account for it himself .
    He's a political animal not someone who should be in charge of our health service .
    How fast you all forget ..


  • #989
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,675 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ixoy wrote: »
    This. It's why I think the additions in Level 4/5 won't make much of a difference except for small businesses because people aren't doing the basics. Closing a bookshop or barbers won't fix that.

    True, but that means that we give up on government policy as a way of steering public health in the midst of a pandemic.

    That's an opinion that I can't accept.


  • #990
    manniot2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 713 ✭✭✭manniot2


    froog wrote: »
    The problem is not whatever level we're on, it's public compliance which is abysmal right now. People should stop being angry at NPHET and politicians and start directing it towards the morons ****ing this up for the rest of us.

    Or maybe this is an infectious virus and being angry at people for trying to live a normal existence while they can in a tough world, is crazy.


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  • #991
    Goldengirl
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    eigrod wrote: »
    Apparently every two people in ICU need 1 trained nurse 24/7. A person in ICU on a ventilator needs 1 trained nurse on a one to one 24/7. Pretty expensive, not to mention getting a supply of available trained nurses. Pretty expensive.

    Multiply those numbers x 5 to cover days off etc.


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