Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 10:56PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I get that but the experts, the people who know what they are talking about, say we needed to go to level 5. Who are we to disagree? We might have opinions but that's it. What's the point in having experts at all if you just ignore them?

Didnt Leo admit they can't afford level 5??

martingriff · 05-10-2020 10:57PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Great to see the flu jab is so abundant.
Strange how I have to wait until November for mine......

Are you in a risk category not that Clare Byrne should be getting it. My father is getting his Wednesday

polesheep · 05-10-2020 10:57PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

A lot of people here seem to be praising the government for standing up to NPHET. Showing them who's in charge, etc. It's bizarre, they're only trying to protect people. This isn't a win.

When you consider how much so many had to lose with their level 5 what else could it be?

hmmm · 05-10-2020 10:57PM

It was odd to hear Leo say that NPHET were recommending a "circuit break".

The advantage of circuit breaks as a concept was that it was supposed to give people certainty. You would have a severe lockdown at a time which was pre-announced and for a defined period of time, and so give people and businesses time to prepare.

What you weren't supposed to do was drop it on people largely unannounced.

Leo was perhaps right that it has never really been tried before, but to my mind at least the concept seems sound and worth a try - I hope somewhere does.

Jim_Hodge · 05-10-2020 10:58PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

A popular Kilkenny hotel has been forced to close for a number of days after a Covid-19 outbreak among staff.

Four workers at the Newpark Hotel in the City tested positive for the virus last week.

The staff members reported feeling unwell and are now self-isolating.

Hotel management decided to close the premises from today, Monday, until Friday in line with health measures.

They hope to be open and operating as normal again from Friday onwards.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/irish-hotel-forced-close-after-22793188

No offence but this is nothing new. Many premises have closed for periods due to staff tested positive. Two pubs within 5 miles of me had to do so this week.

gmisk · 05-10-2020 10:58PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Did anyone ask any of these government spokespeople what they intend to do when the cases don’t start decreasing two and three weeks into this lockdown?

Because I reckon they won’t.

Schools, colleges and foreign travel are three major problems That level 3 does nothing about.

Four .. northern ireland...

billybonkers · 05-10-2020 10:58PM

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Can people go on holiday (non essential) with level 3 ?

You can go to airport to fly yes

niallo27 · 05-10-2020 10:58PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I get that but the experts, the people who know what they are talking about, say we needed to go to level 5. Who are we to disagree? We might have opinions but that's it. What's the point in having experts at all if you just ignore them?

You ever think why don't the experts in every other country in Europe think the same as us. Also these experts said things were OK to stay at level 2 on Thursday but 3 days later want level 5, how can you not question what the **** is going on.

amadangomor · 05-10-2020 10:58PM

Mervyn Skidmore wrote: »

I get that but the experts, the people who know what they are talking about, say we needed to go to level 5. Who are we to disagree? We might have opinions but that's it. What's the point in having experts at all if you just ignore them?

The experts are tasked with coming up with recommendations to limit Covid and the harm caused by Covid.

The politicians have to balance that with the bigger picture of the economy, other health implications, mental health etc.

spookwoman · 05-10-2020 10:59PM

https://twitter.com/davidcullinane/status/1313236405703913477?s=20

polesheep · 05-10-2020 10:59PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Did anyone ask any of these government spokespeople what they intend to do when the cases don’t start decreasing two and three weeks into this lockdown?

Because I reckon they won’t.

Schools, colleges and foreign travel are three major problems That level 3 does nothing about.

Cases don't matter. The HSE said that it can cope.

sterz · 05-10-2020 10:59PM

hmmm wrote: »

Leo was perhaps right that it has never really been tried before, but to my mind at least the concept seems sound and worth a try - I hope somewhere does.

Didn't he say that Israel were trying something similar and no real sign as of yet that it's working?

martingriff · 05-10-2020 10:59PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Donnelly being well.. Donnelly. No surprise he comes out with this
https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313230709084114950?s=19

Did Chambers read what I wrote here I will get him for plagirism

:p:p

gmisk · 05-10-2020 11:00PM

hmmm wrote: »

It was odd to hear Leo say that NPHET were recommending a "circuit break".

The advantage of circuit breaks as a concept was that it was supposed to give people certainty. You would have a severe lockdown at a time which was pre-announced and for a defined period of time, and so give people and businesses time to prepare.

What you weren't supposed to do was drop it on people largely unannounced.

Leo was perhaps right that it has never really been tried before, but to my mind at least the concept seems sound and worth a try - I hope somewhere does.

The uk are I think but they will no doubt f*ck it up like they have done everything else throughout the pandemic.

The circuit breaker thing isn't new btw it is mentioned quite a few times in Richard Preston's books (the guy who wrote the hot zone)

Lundstram · 05-10-2020 11:01PM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/davidcullinane/status/1313236405703913477?s=20

He has those number arseways. Typical Shinner.

lawrencesummers · 05-10-2020 11:01PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

why do you have an obsession with foreign travel?. The airports are about to go bust due to lack of custom, the airlines are losing money hand over fist and 10000's of people are cut off from family. It is not a problem.

Yes it is a problem.
It’s a problem that is unquantified because the government have not got in place the necessary system to allow safe travel that detects people who are positive. It doesn’t have aN adequate tracing system For those that have travelled either, so if your issue is with people being cut off and airlines going bust then you can see how safe travel needs to be introduced for a variety of reasons.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 11:01PM

seamus wrote: »

Seems to be some weird games going on here alright. NPHET really pushing the "level 3 isn't good enough" line, when the statistics out of Dublin indicate that it's beginning to work. 3 and 7 day case averages for Dublin are declining, and Dublin's proportion of the overall cases is declining.

Seem short-sighted to declare a lockdown is necessary without giving level 3 (even poorly enforced) a chance to kick in. Iit'll be around the 21st of October before these new restrictions have any noticeable effect nationally

Apparently NPHET spoke about Ireland being brave and Varadkar spoke about NPHET being experimental and wanting the first 'circuit break' in Europe. I wonder if some on NPHET saw an opportunity to make a name for themselves.

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 11:02PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Claire Byrne was just plain rude this evening

When she ordered the other two to put on the mask and didn't herself, I thought what a...

iguana · 05-10-2020 11:02PM

amadangomor wrote: »

I was all for hard lockdown back in March when we didn't understand the virus and we didn't understand the implications of a lockdown.

WTAF are you on about? What we know about the virus now that we didn't know then is actually worse. We knew before the lockdown that the IFR was most likely somewhere between 2% and 0.5% and almost certainly toward the lower end of that. The WHO currently estimates the IFR as .62% which was a surprise to precisely no-one with a clue. Our new information is how very contagious it is, that it's airborne and that it's not seemingly seasonal. We've also learned that it leads to a very high rate of post-viral issues in even very mild infections which can cause people problems for months. We've also learned that scientists who warned immunity may not be as good as we hoped may have been right as there are a number of confirmed cases of reinfection already. So maybe you were in a tizzy in March thinking this virus was something so awful that the really bad thing it is seems good. But don't put your lack of knowledge in March on everyone else.

The implications (economic and personal) of a lockdown were also crystal clear in March too. What is it that you think was a surprise to anyone about that?

lawrencesummers · 05-10-2020 11:02PM

polesheep wrote: »

Cases don't matter. The HSE said that it can cope.

My left one.

Mervyn Skidmore · 05-10-2020 11:02PM

amadangomor wrote: »

The experts are tasked with coming up with recommendations to limit Covid and the harm caused by Covid.

The politicians have to balance that with the bigger picture of the economy, other health implications, mental health etc.

And the politicians have been saying "we will always be guided by the experts", "we will put your health first". It reminds me of Michael Gove when he was questioned about experts views on brexit and he said something along the lines of " we are sick of listening to experts".

At least the politicians could be up front with people and admit that they are willing to take a risk with our health.

Happydays2020 · 05-10-2020 11:03PM

hmmm wrote: »

It was odd to hear Leo say that NPHET were recommending a "circuit break".

The advantage of circuit breaks as a concept was that it was supposed to give people certainty. You would have a severe lockdown at a time which was pre-announced and for a defined period of time, and so give people and businesses time to prepare.

What you weren't supposed to do was drop it on people largely unannounced.

Leo was perhaps right that it has never really been tried before, but to my mind at least the concept seems sound and worth a try - I hope somewhere does.

It does have merit in theory but my fear is that it will be preceded by the mother of all parties.

Ce he sin · 05-10-2020 11:03PM

Thierry12 wrote: »

80 people died today

0 from Covid

200,000 extra people will be on social welfare tomorrow because ICU beds went from 10 to 20

10 ****ing beds crashed an economy

No deaths reported today does not equal no deaths from Covid today. The issue with ICU is not increasing by a few beds, it's the possibility that the few remaining beds will soon be taken up by Covid patients leaving decisions to be made as to who gets priority for beds.

Goldengirl · 05-10-2020 11:03PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1313223938219151360

Wouldn't be surprised if resignations are handed in tomorrow on the back of that interview.

Would serve government right .
Imagine having Leo and Stephen Donnelly take the job on from now on ..clowns .
Wouldn't be many intelligent and qualified people queuing up to go into that job if that is the way the Tánaiste is treating them in public.
Especially when it is obvious he is just doing it for political gain .
Oh well done Leo , you've lost your expert advisory group but won the muppets' support !

shocksy · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

polesheep wrote: »

Cases don't matter. The HSE said that it can cope.

Well if you believe what the HSE say more fool you.

Mervyn Skidmore · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You ever think why don't the experts in every other country in Europe think the same as us. Also these experts said things were OK to stay at level 2 on Thursday but 3 days later want level 5, how can you not question what the **** is going on.

Because the health systems vary and capacity varies across the world.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

When was the last time a senior civil servant was dumped on by a senior government Minister? I don't think even Neary (Central bank governor) got such a public dressing down. It was completely uncalled for. Extraordinary.

Cannot see how Holohan or NPHET can continue. As I said earlier I suspect many will resign in the morning. Government will be charting this course all on their own.

And Government own this now.

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

Lundstram wrote: »

He has those number arseways. Typical Shinner.

Can't take SF seriously talking bout spare hospital beds considering they filled so many of them

screamer · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

polesheep wrote: »

Cases don't matter. The HSE said that it can cope.

To be fair, the HSE can’t cope with normal flu season, the student nurses are run off their feet, not being paid and having to take additional work as healthcare assistants at weekends to be able to cover living expenses. I half feel the HSE are equally being told to hold the line that all’s fine, rather than tell it as it is.

igCorcaigh · 05-10-2020 11:04PM

I'm very confused about ICU capacity.
Can anyone enlighten me?

Covid 19 Part XXV-44,159 ROI (1,830 deaths) 21,898 NI (598 deaths) (13/10) Read OP

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