Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Sierra Oscar · 05-10-2020 03:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313116162214055938?s=19

Unsurprising really. The public appetite or political will isn't there. Unfortunately we're in for a complete lockdown in another few weeks if that's the case, probably coinciding with Christmas. The data on the hospital admissions that NPHET are pointing to speaks for itself.

Ireland isn't the only country facing this dilemma either so we aren't unique in that regard.

Oranage2 · 05-10-2020 03:06PM

Planing? This is Ireland.

We didn't plan for the health service and we didn't plan for education, did they honestly just hope it would all magically get better?

AlmightyCushion · 05-10-2020 03:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Carlow, Kilkenny, Waterford, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo have all had less than 50 cases in last 14 days.
Why would they be put into level 5?

I don't know about the others but Sligo's cases are increasing quickly. It has 21 cases in the past 2 days, 14 yesterday and 7 the day before. Not that long ago it went weeks without a case.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 03:06PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Explain why you think he's profiting from a lock down or Covid-19?

Would he have been promoting his book on the late late show last Friday if covid wasn't around ??

Quite clearly no because nobody would have known who he is without him being in the spotlight at the moment, in the spotlight is more book sales. Cant say he'd have had any of that in a world without covid.

Not begrudging him the money but it wouldn't have happened with no covid

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 03:06PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

The community numbers were a lot higher back then. Numbers are estimated at the peak to have been around 3-5k per day in April but we weren't picking up asymtomatic etc. That is what NPHET is trying to avoid going back too because once there, then you get the hospitals and ICUs overrun. They really should have made more ICU beds, what were they doing?

What has happened all the ICU beds they promised? They closed the city west facility and while it mightn't replace hospital beds it at least allowed people isolate from family members. Also the hotels where hospital staff stayed.

We seem to be actually worse prepared now than in the Spring. Its mind boggling.

Hurrache · 05-10-2020 03:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Would he have been promoting his book on the late late show last Friday if covid wasn't around ??

Quite clearly no because nobody would have known who he is without him being in the spotlight at the moment.

He has written a number of books already, and has been well know prior to the Covid-19. His business move also has nothing to do with Covid-19, nor is his book. He's been hosting and guesting on science segments on radio for years.

Even if he was relatively unknown, he's still not profiteering from a lock down or Covid-19.

s1ippy · 05-10-2020 03:08PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313115849000185856?s=20

Eod100 · 05-10-2020 03:08PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313116162214055938?s=19

Ok no to that, what will they do instead?

Stheno · 05-10-2020 03:08PM

Meeting with the CMO has ended

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 03:09PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313115849000185856?s=20

This is only looking one way then

Open the Pubs · 05-10-2020 03:09PM

shocksy wrote: »

Never be a pal of yours and you clearly only care about when your next fix of alcohol will be. I'd consider looking into AA if I were you.

Another very nasty post without reason. I never mentioned alcohol so not sure why you are losing it. You have serious issues."Never be a pal of yours" haha, what age are you 12 ? Grow up man.

Seriously deranged people on this thread, you really need to leave the house and internet once in a while shocksy.

CalamariFritti · 05-10-2020 03:09PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Looking back at history, as a human race we have had a very good run of stability over the last 75 years or so but it looks like we've fallen into the eyes of the textbooks of the generations ahead of us, unfortunately.

The comforts we know can't be sustained right now and that's just the reality of the situation, there's nobody to blame. We can be seen as a country who took a measured response and saved as many lives as possible or we can be the country who had it all in front of them, were advised by the experts, and still walked into the line of fire to save a few jobs that will be lost anyway down the line.

This couldn't be further from the truth. The reality is after an initial panic which nobody has a problem with we continue to piss our pants driven by media frenzy and political cowardice over a so called disease that is dangerous to a tiny fraction of the population. We didnt know that in March/April so no problem there but we do know this by now but yet we are determined to make the same crazy knee jerk reaction again. Plus we had 6 months to prepare and get our act together and today we must read that ICU capacity is practically at the brink with 20 covid patients in there and we have outbreaks in 31 nursing homes. Fantastic. Lets start clapping again, make Tony Taioseach and report our neighbours for not distancing enough. Ffs.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 03:09PM

s1ippy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1313115849000185856?s=20

Not something that's changed as of today as the tweet below shows
https://twitter.com/margaretb2010/status/1313117682980532227?s=19

is_that_so · 05-10-2020 03:12PM

Thomas.. wrote: »

I'm not getting something here

Why is there "consternation in government" that the recommendations are not being flagged in advance?

Does Nphet have to flag in advance that they are going to make new recommendations to the government in private, which the government then leaked?

Would be like ringing a friend to tell them you're going to ring them tomorrow

They didn't see any need to go to Level 3 on Thursday but recommended Level 5 on Sunday. A recommendation of that nature was always going to be leaked. Your friend is one person, this will affect will affect 5m.

quokula · 05-10-2020 03:12PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

Looking back at history, as a human race we have had a very good run of stability over the last 75 years or so but it looks like we've fallen into the eyes of the textbooks of the generations ahead of us, unfortunately.

The comforts we know can't be sustained right now and that's just the reality of the situation, there's nobody to blame. We can be seen as a country who took a measured response and saved as many lives as possible or we can be the country who had it all in front of them, were advised by the experts, and still walked into the line of fire to save a few jobs that will be lost anyway down the line.

Very well said. A lot of people seem to think the government has total control over nature and is just deciding what to do on a whim. The fact is that the virus is what it is and some measures are needed to save as many lives as we can. If gravity didn't exist and then it did I swear there'd be a cohort of people complaining about the government not letting them walk off cliffs anymore.

The crazy thing is that we've seen ample evidence in March, that locking down hard and early has proven to not only be better for people who are pro-not-dying, but also allows the lockdown to be shorter and limits the economic damage relative to doing it once things are really out of control. Level 5 now is the best chance we have of not being in Level 5 and seeing family safely at Christmas.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 03:12PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not something that's changed as of today as the tweet below shows
https://twitter.com/margaretb2010/status/1313117682980532227?s=19

The important part is that the website is now showing level 5 restrictions for schools as current plan

Which it wasn’t before mid morning today, so they are clearly editing to bring in line with material

And it’s a bit coincidental it’s being done today no?

DeanAustin · 05-10-2020 03:13PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

This couldn't be further from the truth. The reality is after an initial panic which nobody has a problem with we continue to piss our pants driven by media frenzy and political cowardice over a so called disease that is dangerous to a tiny fraction of the population. We didnt know that in March/April so no problem there but we do know this by now but yet we are determined to make the same crazy knee jerk reaction again. Plus we had 6 months to prepare and get our act together and today we must read that ICU capacity is practically at the brink with 20 covid patients in there and we have outbreaks in 31 nursing homes. Fantastic. Lets start clapping again, make Tony Taioseach and report our neighbours for not distancing enough. Ffs.

I still have no idea from anyone advocating lockdown what the end game is. Without a vaccine, we're going to keep locking down and destroying lives and the economy. I know the alternative isn't a good choice either but I can see the logic in learning to live with this.

Could someone please tell me what the long term aim is if we lockdown every time the numbers spike?

What Username Guidelines · 05-10-2020 03:13PM

seamus wrote: »

So this brings up a few thoughts. Most of the issues raised come from socialising and home visits. Too many people seeing too many people.

So it seems clear that's the part we need to target. We need to curtail socialising, in a big way.

But NPHET have been given a five level plan to choose from.

I'm wondering if it's the case that Dr. Holohan is saying, "We need to implement the socialising restrictions in level 5, but since this is all we have to choose from, then that's what I'm going to recommend."

If the outcome of today's meetings was to recommend zero visitors to homes, zero social gatherings, no weddings, communions or confirmations, closed pubs, but all other business was allowed to stay open, then I think that would be a much easier pill for people to swallow.

It's the recommendation of absolute lockdown that has peoples' back up.

Absolutely, this would be a much fairer and pragmatic approach. The issue is that whether we do this, go to level 5, or go to some new level 9, the people socialising in eachothers' homes won't stop, at least the more problematic gatherings. So I can't see a massive impact in any set of restrictions unless we can somehow curb that behaviour.

I've no idea how we could tbh.

Also, check this out:
The population of the town is 496. Rate in the town is now 20,000 per 100,000.
https://twitter.com/DundalkAllan/status/1312877954330955777?s=20

Maybe GAA is the new US tourists?
https://twitter.com/kevincronin2000/status/1313035100502843392?s=20

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 03:14PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

The important part is that the website is now showing level 5 restrictions for schools as current plan

Which it wasn’t before mid morning today

But was already quite clearly in the booklets being sent to homes which were put together well before latest recommendations made by NPHET last night so there was already a change going back to last week you can safely assume.

It just says advice at the time.

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 03:14PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not something that's changed as of today as the tweet below shows
https://twitter.com/margaretb2010/status/1313117682980532227?s=19

That's the language for level 5. What's Richard Chamber's point, has the site updated to show that the situation now matches level 5?

is_that_so · 05-10-2020 03:14PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Ok no to that, what will they do instead?

3+ for the rest with 4+ for Dublin and Donegal? Timescale 2 weeks minimum?

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 03:15PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

But was already quite clearly in the booklets being sent to homes which were put together well before latest recommendations.

It just says advice at the time.

I think his point is that the live advice has moved to level 5 language? Maybe a premature update?

drunkmonkey · 05-10-2020 03:15PM

Stheno wrote: »

Meeting with the CMO has ended

Hopefully via a pistol duel at 10 paces.

seamus · 05-10-2020 03:15PM

Hamsterchops wrote: »

(If level 5 has to be introduced) then I'd rather they took the short-sharp-shock approach and brought it in now, thereby leaving enough room for us to exit the tunnel and return to level 2 just before Christmas.....

People need to stop with this "short, sharp shock" thing in the hope that there'll be few or no restrictions come Xmas.

Christmas will not be normal. You will not be meeting ten mates in the pub. You will not be going to Xmas parties. You will not be doing a tour of houses on Xmas day to see all the cousins, aunties and grannies. Not even if cases are below 100.

The approach to this requires that we find a sustainable way of managing it. A lockdown/surge/lockdown/surge approach will yield less effectiveness every time there's a lockdown, and a bigger surge every time it's lifted.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 03:16PM

DeanAustin wrote: »

I still have no idea from anyone advocating lockdown what the end game is. Without a vaccine, we're going to keep locking down and destroying lives and the economy. I know the alternative isn't a good choice either but I can see the logic in learning to live with this.

Could someone please tell me what the long term aim is if we lockdown every time the numbers spike?

Need to isolate the country and attempt to eradicate the disease.

I'd rather live normally in a reduced economy than this downward spiral of insanity of a ruined, disease ridden country.

The appetite for attempting this isn't here yet, but come next year it'll be a different story.

Oranage2 · 05-10-2020 03:16PM

It's like '1986' delete all evidence, this is the truth and it has always been the truth

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 03:16PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Seems the government are going with Level 5 if they're updating the document today

Inevitable really. Be it today or next week it needs to happen

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 03:17PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

We're at a much earlier stage of the curve, so it might not be the impossible task you think it is. The virus was rampant when we first locked down, we just didn't know it. If we get in there early, we might actually set an example in Europe, for once.

I've no doubt it was far worse back in April. Then we likely were missing 9 out of 10 cases and there was thousands infected daily.

Nowadays with asymptomatic cases and testing running at maximum we are still missing cases, perhaps 1 out of 2.

Assuming the real figure is 1000 a day, even if we had an R0 of 0.5 (unlikely with schools, creches and colleges open), it would take about a month to get us to about 100 a day, which would be early November.

But what good is 100 a day? Once restrictions are eased we will be back at 500 a day in no time, probably early December. Do we lock down again? Or more likely will the CMO say in early November that cases are not low enough.

Which is why lockdowns are not sustainable. By 1st January thousands more businesses will be destroyed.

The HSE had 6 months to boost ICU and hospital beds. They did nothing.

Sad thing is there isn't one person in cabinet with the balls or brains to question NPHET or HSE. They are all sheep.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 03:17PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I think his point is that the live advice has moved to level 5 language? Maybe a premature update?

The website updated to what they're issuing to houses, something that was put together well before the weekend so not exactly something stemming from last nights recommendations when its in the printed up material being sent around the country. Material that would have been put together over the last week or more

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 03:18PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Hopefully via a pistol duel at 10 paces.

The CMO has the fastest hand in the east by the looks of things.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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