Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 02:40PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Turned into a public versus private sector battle.

Private sector are the ones been screwed badly.

What about all the teachers in small rooms with 30 plus kids? Are they being screwed?

Widdensushi · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

NPHET are the reason we didn’t run out of body bags and quicklime.

Plenty of body bags and lime produced in this country, we won't be running out of either

lfc200 · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

NPHET are egomaniacs and on massive salaries. They should be disbanded immediately in my view.

NPHET are focused on public health. They are trying to protect the Irish public as best as possible. In their opinion this is what is needed to do that. They won't take into account economic impact etc etc. The government/special committee need to do that, and can follow NPHET advice or not if they so wish!
I think to call them egomaniacs is incredibly unfair!

Open the Pubs · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

Maybe it was just here but the weather yesterday was the most horrible dark miserable lashing of rain all day, possibly the entire year. And they landed this lockdown bombshell by leaking to the media on a Sunday evening.

Seen many people say how upsetting it was for many people, NPHET obviously don't care about mental health of the country, trying to play politics and messing with people lives. Bunch of sociopaths, as bad as the incompetent politicians.

quokula · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

Thomas.. wrote: »

There's no possible way the government can move straight to level 5

They're in big trouble politically straight away if the mainstream public don't fully buy into it

They will have to delay or fudge or leave a way to backtrack

If they don't go to Level 5 they're in big trouble when we have lots of people dying a month from now. Just like when the Tories in the UK ignored their expert advisors and refused to lockdown as early as we did in March.

It would be even more criminal now when we have clearly seen from that example what happens when you lockdown late - they had 60,000 excess deaths, and their economy was ultimately hit harder than ours too thanks to covid being much more prevalent and them never really getting back to any sort of normality nationally for any real length of time like we did over Summer.

JDD · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

I'd buy in to this if they came out today and said the following:

- The lockdown will be for four weeks, and four weeks only. If we get to 28 October, and see that the 7 day infection rate has dropped below 70 a day, we will open at Level 2 for a guaranteed period of four weeks. If infections are between 70 and 120 a day, we will open at Level 3 for a guaranteed period of four weeks. If the four weeks of full lockdown does not drop our 7 day infection rate to below 120 a day we will regard the four week lockdown as a failure. An extension, in those circumstances, will not work.

- But that does not mean we will drop restrictions. If full lockdown does not work, we will have to change our tactics, and perhaps put in some medium term measures that will ensure that our hospitals will not be overrun. These will include closing all schools, creches and childminders until Christmas; imposing a curfew of 9pm on the sale of alcohol in both off licences and pubs; imposing a limit per person on the sale of alcohol at off-licences, imposing a limit per square metre of persons in an indoor environment and mandating mask wearing in all situations outside of your own house. All shops and restaurants and pubs will stay open within these guidelines.

Now I swear the prospect of No.2 on any kind of medium term basis would be enough to make me stick rigidly to the restrictions at option 1. But only if they give us the clear numbers that we are aiming for. I've just plonked some numbers up there that seem reasonable to me, but I'm assuming NPHET know how many infections/hospitalisations we can cope with on a medium term basis.

normanoffside · 05-10-2020 02:41PM

seamus wrote: »

So this brings up a few thoughts. Most of the issues raised come from socialising and home visits. Too many people seeing too many people.

So it seems clear that's the part we need to target. We need to curtail socialising, in a big way.

But NPHET have been given a five level plan to choose from.

I'm wondering if it's the case that Dr. Holohan is saying, "We need to implement the socialising restrictions in level 5, but since this is all we have to choose from, then that's what I'm going to recommend."

If the outcome of today's meetings was to recommend zero visitors to homes, zero social gatherings, no weddings, communions or confirmations, closed pubs, but all other business was allowed to stay open, then I think that would be a much easier pill for people to swallow.

It's the recommendation of absolute lockdown that has peoples' back up.

Yep the much lauded 5 stage plan is being ripped up already.

It was never implemented properly in the first place with Dublin neither in level 3 or level 4 but somewhere in between.

Stheno · 05-10-2020 02:42PM

seamus wrote: »

So this brings up a few thoughts. Most of the issues raised come from socialising and home visits. Too many people seeing too many people.

So it seems clear that's the part we need to target. We need to curtail socialising, in a big way.

But NPHET have been given a five level plan to choose from.

I'm wondering if it's the case that Dr. Holohan is saying, "We need to implement the socialising restrictions in level 5, but since this is all we have to choose from, then that's what I'm going to recommend."

If the outcome of today's meetings was to recommend zero visitors to homes, zero social gatherings, no weddings, communions or confirmations, closed pubs, but all other business was allowed to stay open, then I think that would be a much easier pill for people to swallow.

It's the recommendation of absolute lockdown that has peoples' back up.

And the fact that we know from past experience that they are unlikely to keep to the timeframe, along with the fact that nothing appears to have been done in terms of hospital capacity in the past six/seven months

Look at Paris, with a higher rate of cases per 100k, they have less restrictions than our level 2

CIARAN_BOYLE · 05-10-2020 02:42PM

616 cases in NI today.

Have to worry that with a reservoir of the virus just over the border that restrictions may be like pissing into the wind.

Open the Pubs · 05-10-2020 02:43PM

shocksy wrote: »

Your username sums up your views. Irrelevant.

Nasty comment, from the lockdown cheerleaders as usual. Go hide under the bed until summer pal.

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 02:43PM

US2 wrote: »

It's not an isolated incident, over 40 nursing homes currently have covid

Like I said if.youve ever.worked.in a nursing home you would realise stopping the spread is next.to impossible

wadacrack · 05-10-2020 02:43PM

https://twitter.com/DundalkAllan/status/1312877954330955777

JP Liz V1 · 05-10-2020 02:44PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

243 out of 281 ICU beds taken

that alone justifies level 5

All Covid?

Boggles · 05-10-2020 02:45PM

31 out of 33 players have positive covid results

So 2 didn't?

Gadgetman496 · 05-10-2020 02:46PM

Thomas.. wrote: »

Like I said if.youve ever.worked.in a nursing home you would realise stopping the spread is next.to impossible

For a minute there I thought that was a torrent

Open the Pubs · 05-10-2020 02:46PM

The lockdown cheerleaders are inherently selfish, and many are indeed sociopathic, calling for violence against their fellow citizens. Sad to see the way this country is going.

Hurrache · 05-10-2020 02:47PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Maybe it was just here but the weather yesterday was the most horrible dark miserable lashing of rain all day, possibly the entire year. And they landed this lockdown bombshell by leaking to the media on a Sunday evening.

Seen many people say how upsetting it was for many people, NPHET obviously don't care about mental health of the country, trying to play politics and messing with people lives. Bunch of sociopaths, as bad as the incompetent politicians.

It was a recommendation, not a lock down.

normanoffside · 05-10-2020 02:47PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DundalkAllan/status/1312877954330955777

Amazing that they could win a final with almost all their players infected with a deadly virus.

Ger Roe · 05-10-2020 02:47PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And they want restrictions for 4 weeks bringing to the start of November. Anyone believe it'll just be 4 weeks ?,

People are sceptical for a reason having been told before 2 or 3 weeks and having that constantly extended

Not this one again.... where have you been for the past seven months?. No restriction was ever implemented for a cast iron defined time period, they never say/said that. It's always 'at least until...' and depending on specific criteria improvement.

If introduced, it probably won't be for just four weeks, everyone knows that, but equally everyone has an obligation to help hit the target.

Hurrache · 05-10-2020 02:47PM

lfc200 wrote: »

NPHET are focused on public health. They are trying to protect the Irish public as best as possible. In their opinion this is what is needed to do that. They won't take into account economic impact etc etc. The government/special committee need to do that, and can follow NPHET advice or not if they so wish!
I think to call them egomaniacs is incredibly unfair!

You're talking to the wall with many people on this.

Sconsey · 05-10-2020 02:47PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Maybe it was just here but the weather yesterday was the most horrible dark miserable lashing of rain all day, possibly the entire year. And they landed this lockdown bombshell by leaking to the media on a Sunday evening.

Seen many people say how upsetting it was for many people, NPHET obviously don't care about mental health of the country, trying to play politics and messing with people lives. Bunch of sociopaths, as bad as the incompetent politicians.

With your username and recently created account it's hard to take anyting you say seriously. It looks like you have a single motivation and will say anything to push that agenda.

Open the Pubs · 05-10-2020 02:48PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

NPHET are the reason we didn’t run out of body bags and quicklime.

Indeed, when they allowed it run rampant through nursing homes killing many and Italian rugby fans spread it throughout Dublin. Rewriting of history in full flow from lockdown cheerleaders.

iamwhoiam · 05-10-2020 02:49PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Maybe it was just here but the weather yesterday was the most horrible dark miserable lashing of rain all day, possibly the entire year. And they landed this lockdown bombshell by leaking to the media on a Sunday evening.

Seen many people say how upsetting it was for many people, NPHET obviously don't care about mental health of the country, trying to play politics and messing with people lives. Bunch of sociopaths, as bad as the incompetent politicians.

Absolutely . It should not have been leaked at all . My phone was hopping with worried , anxious and upset friends and family . They honestly feel they just cannot do this again

fly_agaric · 05-10-2020 02:49PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

All Covid?

Don't know if it justifies "level 5" or whatever but will comment that if Ireland has to pause much of the day to day work of health service to handle Covid-19 cases (same as March) that is a very big failure. As would be having to shut the schools again.

Hurrache · 05-10-2020 02:49PM

Boggles wrote: »

So 2 didn't?

shocksy · 05-10-2020 02:50PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Nasty comment, from the lockdown cheerleaders as usual. Go hide under the bed until summer pal.

Never be a pal of yours and you clearly only care about when your next fix of alcohol will be. I'd consider looking into AA if I were you.

TonyMaloney · 05-10-2020 02:50PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

All Covid?

No that's all ICU

kazoo106 · 05-10-2020 02:50PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DundalkAllan/status/1312877954330955777

That's out of a population of around 500 - had not heard of it being that high, had heard a number in the 70's on Saturday.
Both pubs there seemed open yesterday - Mace shop shut

lfc200 · 05-10-2020 02:51PM

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Indeed, when they allowed it run rampant through nursing homes killing many and Italian rugby fans spread it throughout Dublin. Rewriting of history in full flow from lockdown cheerleaders.

You do know NPHET had no control over those things? They are an advisory body.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 02:52PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Amazing that they could win a final with almost all their players infected with a deadly virus.

They got it after the final after celebrating together.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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