Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And they want restrictions for 4 weeks bringing to the start of November. Anyone believe it'll just be 4 weeks ?,

People are sceptical for a reason having been told before 2 or 3 weeks and having that constantly extended

Exactly

NPHET say 4 weeks at level 5
Then even if that goes well it will be 4 weeks at level 4 and 4 weeks at level three

That's being optimistic as Tony won't want to release restrictions quickly

eagle eye wrote: »

Hopefully this is an.isolated incident and we don't see this happening in more nursing homes.

Afraid not, NPHET have quoted 31 outbreaks in nursing homes as a reason for Level 5

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313097460152139782

Gradius wrote: »

Where has all the pain and effort of 7 months gotten us?

Back to square one, that's where. A complete waste.

And what's the new plan?? Same as before.

Insanity.

Do you not think if there was a realistic alternative that some competent government somewhere in the world would have tried it by now ?? There’s a reason they haven’t.

Russman wrote: »

Do you not think if there was a realistic alternative that some competent government somewhere in the world would have tried it by now ?? There’s a reason they haven’t.

Many countries haven't went for lockdown 2.

Russman wrote: »

Hard to believe that with half the developed world bringing back restrictions due to the summer/autumn surge, we have people claiming that little ol’ Ireland, with a chronically mismanaged health service and one of the lowest ICU bed capacities, can go against the tide and all will be well. What’s f-€king wrong with people ?

In fairness the govt are in an completely unenviable position now. Go against health advice and reap the whirlwind later when/if ICUs are overrun or accept the advice and see the economic devastation that ensues. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

I dunno, I guess it comes down to what people are prepared to accept for their fellow citizens. Is joe prepared to miss 3 mortgage payments so someone who needs an icu bed can get it ? What’s the magic number, and what if the person needing that bed is himself ?

Mad times, Ted.

What's your suggestion to get through this then and mitigate the effects of these shutdowns?

GooglePlus wrote: »

We're going into level 5 eventually, it's a matter of when and not if. Cases aren't going to tail off with a level 4 for Dublin only, it's clear from the spread of case reports that it's now setting in countrywide. We've a population that has been shielded from the virus thanks to this year's earlier lockdown and we're all just kindle now. The virus is fundamentally the same and will do serious societal damage once it really takes hold. We're in the very early days of our second wave. Very tough winter ahead either way. There's no good option.

Maybe you're right but you don't know if level three or four will or won't work if you don't try it

A second lockdown will also do serious societal damage on many levels

froog wrote: »

how many vulnerable do you think are in the country?

A lot less after we let it rip.

I was being sarcastic on the back of what looks like an entire nursing home potentially being infected.

Unfortunately we have elected politicians calling for the "let it rip" approach.

Roger the cabin boy wrote: »

What's your suggestion to get through this then and mitigate the effects of these shutdowns?

I don’t have a suggestion. I don’t know what the answer is. But I trust that the experts doing their jobs know a lot more about it than me. I don’t like lockdown any more than the next person, its horrendous but I can’t see a viable alternative, viable being the key word.

I think people aren’t grasping that the old normal is gone, this is a world event, once in a generation (or several). Our old securities and habits and comforts are gone for the moment.

normanoffside wrote: »

Afraid not, NPHET have quoted 31 outbreaks in nursing homes as a reason for Level 5

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313097460152139782

So this brings up a few thoughts. Most of the issues raised come from socialising and home visits. Too many people seeing too many people.

So it seems clear that's the part we need to target. We need to curtail socialising, in a big way.

But NPHET have been given a five level plan to choose from.

I'm wondering if it's the case that Dr. Holohan is saying, "We need to implement the socialising restrictions in level 5, but since this is all we have to choose from, then that's what I'm going to recommend."

If the outcome of today's meetings was to recommend zero visitors to homes, zero social gatherings, no weddings, communions or confirmations, closed pubs, but all other business was allowed to stay open, then I think that would be a much easier pill for people to swallow.

It's the recommendation of absolute lockdown that has peoples' back up.

Danno wrote: »

They should be on €350 per week until the restrictions are lifted. "We're all in this together" malark and all that fuzzy thing, you know?

Turned into a public versus private sector battle.

Private sector are the ones been screwed badly.

Open the Pubs wrote: »

I don't believe that people will adhere to any more restrictions than currently in place. Obviously the businesses forced by law to shutdown will likely adhere, although I can see many pubs fighting to survive continuing to serve with lock ins etc.

NPHET are egomaniacs and on massive salaries. They should be disbanded immediately in my view.

Your username sums up your views. Irrelevant.