Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Gruffalux · 05-10-2020 01:32PM

It's either level 5 now, or level 5 later after a lot of people have taken a hiding.

Sierra Oscar · 05-10-2020 01:32PM

froog wrote: »

off licences are nowhere near the risk of the other businesses you mentioned. and alcohol has gotten a lot of people through this thing without completely losing their minds. as unhealthy as that may be.

There are also people that rely on alcohol to get through their days and weeks due to addiction. Closing off licenses and having no supports in place for such persons is a non-runner.

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 01:32PM

froog wrote: »

off licences are nowhere near the risk of the other businesses you mentioned. and alcohol has gotten a lot of people through this thing without completely losing their minds. as unhealthy as that may be.

The cheap alcohol leads inevitably to indoor and outdoor parties and congregating of people.

An Ri rua · 05-10-2020 01:32PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Retail outlets are probably the safest places at the moment with all the controls, mask wearing and so on.

Colleges would be the opposite. Close mixing of students, then sharing of accommodation and the inevitable house parties.

It makes no sense to close retail outlets but leave colleges open (not online)

Its like NPHET are determined to ruin this country economically.

Yeah I'd say that's their plan alright. ....

Have you considered politics? Galway councillor maybe? You can count on many 1st preferences from lunatics and poorly educated illogical types. Good earner for you.

froog · 05-10-2020 01:33PM

The GAA's Management Committee has endorsed a decision to suspend all GAA Club games at all levels with immediate effect and until further notice.

In a statement, the committee said the decision has been taken in the interest of public safety "following a number of incidents that have been brought to our attention in recent days. In particular, post-match celebrations and a lack of social distancing at certain events have proved disappointing and problematic."

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

Could level 5 come in today or tomorrow or will it be a few days?

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

An Ri rua wrote: »

Yeah I'd say that's their plan alright. ....

Have you considered politics? Galway councillor maybe? You can count on many 1st preferences from lunatics and poorly educated illogical types. Good earner for you.

Only in Ireland would an off licence be deemed essential.

I have nothing against alcohol.

We got into this mess largely because of house parties.

landofthetree · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

pauldry wrote: »

I dont think its right to blame the GAA for an infectious contageous disease spreading like wildfire.

No but we can blame the fans behaviour.

I'm a GAA man and if soccer fans were behaving like them I would be pointing out that soccer fans are always behaving like scumbags who even have to be segregated at games. The GAA fans have really let themselves down.

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

Is it a case of Holohan just trying to stump his authority?

timsey tiger · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

While outlets such as barbers, hairdressers and clothes shops closed during the last lockdown and were deemed non essential, off licenses were allowed remain open and deemed essential. What a farce. And it will be the same this time.

Essential to maintain public order.

verizon · 05-10-2020 01:34PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

Reading all your posts is just baffling. You've clearly bought into metrics but metrics don't give you a solution. They give you the problem. This knee jerk reaction to warrant lockdown that was only introduced globally because we had very little understanding of the virus is just bizarre. We have since learned what this virus is, who are most at risk and what precautions we can take to move freely and healthily.

There are counties on the island that should be arguing to move to Level 1, but to move them to level 5 is clearly malevolent and blindsighted.

Icantthinkof1 · 05-10-2020 01:35PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

If the country goes to Level 5, schools will be safer, not more dangerous. I don't follow your logic.

Because if we go to level 5 then NPHET and Gov are acknowledging that community transmission is high- we’ve been told kids aren’t picking it up in schools but in their own homes and bringing it into schools

froog · 05-10-2020 01:35PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

The cheap alcohol leads inevitably to indoor and outdoor parties and congregating of people.

and those people should be properly fined and enforced by gardai who seem to be more concerned with busting people for weed and checking car insurance. banning alcohol is a ludicrous idea.

Goldrickssan · 05-10-2020 01:35PM

Whenever all this is done the HSE needs to be completely rebuilt.

All those fat bastards left over from the old health board need to get the boot. Full review of costs and salaries to see where the **** the money we keep throwing at it is going.

Successive government have just thrown money at it instead of rooting out the useless moneysponges at the top. They get their massive salaries and we can't even attract and pay nurses properly. Has to change.

Funsterdelux · 05-10-2020 01:35PM

Thomas.. wrote: »

Could level 5 come in today or tomorrow or will it be a few days?

Maybe not today, maybe not tomorroe, but soon for the rest of.....

landofthetree · 05-10-2020 01:36PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

It's either level 5 now, or level 5 later after a lot of people have taken a hiding.

We ain't opening up again at level 2 or 1 till next April I fear.

tobefrank321 · 05-10-2020 01:36PM

Gruffalux wrote: »

It's either level 5 now, or level 5 later after a lot of people have taken a hiding.

It should not be a national level 5.

Counties like Dublin, Donegal, Cork and possibly Galway should be moved progressively up levels if required.

Moving the entire country to level 5 immediately is massive overkill.

05-10-2020 01:36PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

While outlets such as barbers, hairdressers and clothes shops closed during the last lockdown and were deemed non essential, off licenses were allowed remain open and deemed essential. What a farce. And it will be the same this time.

You can't close off licenses as people who are alcohol dependent can die from withdrawal.

timsey tiger · 05-10-2020 01:36PM

Gael23 wrote: »

Is it a case of Holohan just trying to stump his authority?

No, it's a case of a rappidly increasing infection rates in the country.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 01:37PM

FFs O'Callaghan is beginning to look like the kind of intelligent leader that every country needs... he's doomed so.

Fianna Fáil TD Jim Callaghan says moving to Level 5 is "completely disproportionate" and says we need to "recognise" more people are going to die.

"We've got to recognise that this having a terrible impact on young people in this country," he said.

"We also have to recognise that, predominantly, young people aren't affected by it. The median age of the dead was in the late 80s.

"They also informed the committee that 90% of people have died with had underlying conditions.

"You've got to look at young people out there who aren't in their late 80s, who don't have underlying condition and been told about their education, their employment, their entertainment, their socialisation, their intimate relationships, all of these things have to stop. We're telling them that - that's not sustainable. We need to recognise that this is a very difficult disease and that more people are going to die from it.

"I'm concerned that the manner by which we're doing business at present, it's not a good idea for the people of Ireland to hear this on a Sunday evening, a leak from NPHET and an indication that there's a recommendation that the country is going to go to level 5. We shouldn't be doing business this way."

An Ri rua · 05-10-2020 01:37PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Only in Ireland would an off licence be deemed essential.

I have nothing against alcohol.

We got into this mess largely because of house parties.

Only you mentioned alcohol, in other posts.

I responded to :-

>>Its like NPHET are determined to ruin this country economically.<<

You're not being even-handed in your comments re NPHET. They must do THEIR job, govt must do it's elected job.

Complicated?? Would you like the AG to be political as well???

Hurrache · 05-10-2020 01:37PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Retail outlets are probably the safest places at the moment with all the controls, mask wearing and so on.

They're not that well controlled. Still plenty of stupid ****s going into smaller shops without any, and plenty across the board wearing masks below their noses.

Pitch n Putt · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

Cases,Cases,Cases

Cases me hole.

If your going to live with covid you got to put up with cases and use a different metric to determine the spread of the virus.

Hospitalisations of Actual Covid ONLY related admissions and don’t be hiding an inept health sector behind inaccurate reporting of cases.

GeorgeBailey · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

hmmm wrote: »

Sounds good.

I think the problem currently is that this lockdown seems to have come out of the blue. I know NPHET have a difficult job monitoring data and trying to make decisions, but we need to know why there was no need for Level 3 a few days ago, and now we've jumped to Level 5.

Businesses in particular need to be able to plan. They can't cope with 24 hours notice (or less) of everything being shut down. They can cope a bit if they get a week, or longer, notice.

It's one of the reasons I like the "circuit breaker" ideas. Flag a period in advance where you inform the country that everything is going to be shut down for 2 or 4 weeks. If we have to do 2 months open 1 month closed for the next 12 months let's do that to get us to vaccines and rapid testing.

Exactly all of this. Dropping this on us with no warning is what's going to ruin a lot of businesses. If they instead said "we're moving to level 5 in 2/3 weeks time, get all your ducks in a row" it'd be so much more manageable. Both for me and my clients.

smellyoldboot · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

tobefrank321 wrote: »

It should not be a national level 5.

Counties like Dublin, Donegal, Cork and possibly Galway should be moved progressively up levels if required.

Moving the entire country to level 5 immediately is massive overkill.

Regional lockdowns are the best way to go even if the main purpose they serve is that the other regions look at the likes of Dublin and Donegal and decide to be more pro-active so as not to end up.in the same situation.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

verizon wrote: »

Reading all your posts is just baffling. You've clearly bought into metrics but metrics don't give you a solution. They give you the problem. This knee jerk reaction to warrant lockdown that was only introduced globally because we had very little understanding of the virus is just bizarre. We have since learned what this virus is, who are most at risk and what precautions we can take to move freely and healthily.

There are counties on the island that should be arguing to move to Level 1, but to move them to level 5 is clearly malevolent and blindsighted.

People aren’t following the precautions as they are

Cases are rising everywhere and we need to take steps to stop this.

Denny61 · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

You clown. You can't isolate counties

Paddygreen · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

Don’t want to jump the gun guys but I think I will mask up, pull on my blew gloves and head down to Spar to get a bottle of pressuco or two and some pizzas to celebrate later. Couldn’t sleep last night after hearing that Dr Tony was back full steam ahead to rally us all against deadly Covid19.

landofthetree · 05-10-2020 01:38PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Whenever all this is done the HSE needs to be completely rebuilt.

All those fat bastards left over from the old health board need to get the boot. Full review of costs and salaries to see where the **** the money we keep throwing at it is going.

Successive government have just thrown money at it instead of rooting out the useless moneysponges at the top. They get their massive salaries and we can't even attract and pay nurses properly. Has to change.

This is never accepted by opposition or the media.

We spend enough yet the opposition always say we under invest in healthcare. We dont. Our health spend per capita is well above average for Western Europe.

Nobody wants to reform.

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 01:39PM

polesheep wrote: »

FFs O'Callaghan is beginning to look like the kind of intelligent leader that every country needs... he's doomed so.

Fianna Fáil TD Jim Callaghan says moving to Level 5 is "completely disproportionate" and says we need to "recognise" more people are going to die.

"We've got to recognise that this having a terrible impact on young people in this country," he said.

"We also have to recognise that, predominantly, young people aren't affected by it. The median age of the dead was in the late 80s.

"They also informed the committee that 90% of people have died with had underlying conditions.

"You've got to look at young people out there who aren't in their late 80s, who don't have underlying condition and been told about their education, their employment, their entertainment, their socialisation, their intimate relationships, all of these things have to stop. We're telling them that - that's not sustainable. We need to recognise that this is a very difficult disease and that more people are going to die from it.

"I'm concerned that the manner by which we're doing business at present, it's not a good idea for the people of Ireland to hear this on a Sunday evening, a leak from NPHET and an indication that there's a recommendation that the country is going to go to level 5. We shouldn't be doing business this way."

It's not a good idea for 1 man to walk back into his job and effectively single handedly shut the country which is what i'm beggining to fear is about to happen

We had a similar situation before on a global scale with events like the Iraq war

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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