Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 01:08PM

NPHET's reasoning

"It recommends that Level 5 measures be introduced from midnight tonight for four weeks. It says NPHET is sensitive to the impact on businesses, individuals and families but that the action is “the only opportunity to get this disease back under control while keeping schools open”.

It says a graduated approach would ultimately result in Level 5 measures being put in place, whereas an immediate enactment of the harshest measures will prevent deaths, protect vulnerable people and enable schools to remain open."

Makes perfect sense

we need level 5 sooner rather than later, so better to do it now!

RoryMac · 05-10-2020 01:09PM

Thomas.. wrote: »

Holohan has probably shot himself in the foot by overreaching this time

It could be a green light now for the government and the public to question their decisions

I'm expecting MM and Vardkar to do what politicians do and go the way the wind is blowing which is against heavy restrictions

Exactly, is the evidence there in the actual data to advise on a move to level 4 or 5?

Might be the first time NPHET have been properly questioned on the data

Gradius · 05-10-2020 01:09PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yours is not a plan. Infantile rubbish tbh.

You are defending inaction, you are defending the status quo approach that everyone hates.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 01:09PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Level 4 in Dublin and level 3 nationwide is waaaay more realistic

It's really not. Don't feel that you have to bargain.

Boggles · 05-10-2020 01:09PM

At the current rate of growth we are heading for 5000 cases a day next month.

If the recommendations are not taken on board and the above happens.

It wouldn't be NPHET that are in scope of the national anger.

Micky 32 · 05-10-2020 01:10PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

And what about the anti vaxxer nutjobs that will refuse to take a vaccine should one be developed? What then?

Possibly ( now it’s only an opinion) with all the never ending rolling lockdowns and restrictions people might change their minds about the vaccine. More people than you think might decide to take it.

froog · 05-10-2020 01:10PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

NPHET's reasoning

"It recommends that Level 5 measures be introduced from midnight tonight for four weeks. It says NPHET is sensitive to the impact on businesses, individuals and families but that the action is “the only opportunity to get this disease back under control while keeping schools open”.

It says a graduated approach would ultimately result in Level 5 measures being put in place, whereas an immediate enactment of the harshest measures will prevent deaths, protect vulnerable people and enable schools to remain open."

Makes perfect sense

we need level 5 sooner rather than later, so better to do it now!

and there it is folks. as many have been saying, schools are a problem and they haven't been honest with us.

rob316 · 05-10-2020 01:11PM

What is the ****ing obsession with Level 5, 4 is every bit as bad. We can not go above 3 its disastrous.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 01:11PM

Boggles wrote: »

At the current rate of growth we are heading for 5000 cases a day next month.

If the recommendations are not taken on board and the above happens.

It wouldn't be NPHET that are in scope of the national anger.

This is the important piece, number are getting bad now, if we do nothing and ignore the experts, we'll need level 5 in a few weeks

John O.Groats · 05-10-2020 01:11PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Level 5 isn’t happening.

Maybe not this week. Could be a different story in a few weeks time.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 01:12PM

rob316 wrote: »

What is the ****ing obsession with Level 5, 4 is every bit as bad. We can not go above 3 its disastrous.

3 isnt working
3 hasnt worked

4/5 are necessary now from a public heath perspective

ZX7R · 05-10-2020 01:12PM

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

Viz Tony Holohan, is it wise to let a man on his first day back in the job after a very traumatic few months personally (I assume) make the most far reaching decision of his career with very serious ramifications for 5 million people? Would you not normally, in these circumstances, tell someone to ease themselves back into a job?

Excellent point, the week before he stood back he was making pretty wild twitter post's telling people not to travel not to holiday abroad and got into it for tat with Michael O Leary.
The day before he announced that he was to stand down for a will he removed his tweets

smellyoldboot · 05-10-2020 01:13PM

Level 5 in Dublin and Donegal and enforce it properly. Why should the rest of us suffer because Jackeens and wildlings can't get their house in order.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 01:13PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why are doctors being interviewed outside hospital while wearing their scrubs?

It's too cold to be naked.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 01:14PM

smellyoldboot wrote: »

Level 5 in Dublin and Donegal and enforce it properly. Why should the rest of us suffer because Jackeens and wildlings can't get their house in order.

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

polesheep · 05-10-2020 01:15PM

setanta1984 wrote: »

It's worrying that some are seeing Level 4 as a compromise - Level 4 shuts down the entire country the same as 5, and is economically/socially just as devastating.

I fear 4 will be seen as more palatable to get people to agree to and to soften some public rage, before everyone realises what Level 4 actually means and that we are just as destroyed.

Level 4 is the point on the plan that daily lives start being destroyed for anyone outside the hospitality sector (those lucky people get their lives destroyed at level 3)

Very worrying. You would have to wonder if level 5 only exists to enable level 4 to be brought in.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 01:16PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Why do you think the experts in Ireland know more than the experts in every other European country?

It's strange indeed, because according to one poster here the Irish are thick.

sterz · 05-10-2020 01:16PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

Well it seems like it is difficult to understand. NPHET were content with most counties being at level 2 last week and now are recommending level 5. It's understandable that people are confused with the communication of what the current situation is and what the plan is for x number of weeks.

Rrrrrr2 · 05-10-2020 01:16PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

3 isnt working
3 hasnt worked

4/5 are necessary now from a public heath perspective

What is “working”? Nothing works with an endemic respiratory virus bar a vaccine or herd immunity. You might as well go the beach and ask the tide not to come in and out. If it’s a problem then take your own personal measures and isolate away from society

Sweet.Science · 05-10-2020 01:17PM

No more money for Covid pandemic payments. No more money for businesses that are forced to close. No more mortgage breaks by banks.

We're all in this together . Hold firm.

Icantthinkof1 · 05-10-2020 01:17PM

froog wrote: »

and there it is folks. as many have been saying, schools are a problem and they haven't been honest with us.

That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying what they always have said that the only way to keep schools open is to reduce community transmission

boggerman1 · 05-10-2020 01:17PM

Boggles wrote: »

At the current rate of growth we are heading for 5000 cases a day next month.

If the recommendations are not taken on board and the above happens.

It wouldn't be NPHET that are in scope of the national anger.

Hello Gerry Killeen

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

3 isnt working
3 hasnt worked

4/5 are necessary now from a public heath perspective

3 is quite clearly affecting the growth rate in Dublin. Look it up.

smellyoldboot · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

Not at anything like the same rate. Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford and Carlow combined don't add up to Dublin's rate per 100k but we should be under the same restrictions?

No ****e like the parties in blocks of flats going on here. Time for the capital and it's population to face up to its glaring problems rather than reflect them onto the rest of us.

pauldry · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

I think they are right to recommend Level 5.

There will be a lot of cases this week and its in every county.

Just let them be clear and lock it all down for a month. This will save many lives and lifes (from covid after effects). We can worry about getting the economy right from November 1st.

Rrrrrr2 · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

Sweet.Science wrote: »

No more money for Covid pandemic payments. No more money for businesses that are forced to close. No more mortgage breaks by banks.

We're all in this together . Hold firm.

Indeed. Massive chasm erupting here. If nphet and co are willing to go into the Pup payment like the serfs then they might have some credibility

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 01:18PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

NPHET's reasoning

"It recommends that Level 5 measures be introduced from midnight tonight for four weeks. It says NPHET is sensitive to the impact on businesses, individuals and families but that the action is “the only opportunity to get this disease back under control while keeping schools open”.

It says a graduated approach would ultimately result in Level 5 measures being put in place, whereas an immediate enactment of the harshest measures will prevent deaths, protect vulnerable people and enable schools to remain open."

Makes perfect sense

we need level 5 sooner rather than later, so better to do it now!

What doesn't make sense is that we'll be back doing the same thing all over again and again

It's better to step back and decide things like adults not this childish nonsense with 5 steps out of nowhere

froog · 05-10-2020 01:19PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

That’s not what they’re saying. They’re saying what they always have said that the only way to keep schools open is to reduce community transmission

they've been repeatedly asked about schools risk over the last few weeks and have always either vaguely answered or diverted people's attention towards restaurants. if there was no problem with schools they wouldn't be saying they can only stay open with a nationwide level 5.

Sierra Oscar · 05-10-2020 01:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Level 5 isn’t happening.

I'd agree.

It looks like level 5 is inevitable down the line though considering the recommendation made by NPHET and the details contained in its letter to the Government. When it happens it'll probably be a 4 - 6 week timeline rather than a 2 week one currently being pushed for by NPHET.

It'll take hospitals to reach capacity for us to implement level 5 given the lack of public appetite for it currently. That means a much longer imposition of level 5 will be necessary as we await people to move through hospital treatment.

Also worth keeping in mind that the 4 - 6 week timeline will probably coincide with Christmas.

ACitizenErased · 05-10-2020 01:20PM

bennyl10 wrote: »

Cases are rising in every single county. Its not difficult to understand

Carlow, Kilkenny, Waterford, Mayo, Leitrim, Longford and Sligo have all had less than 50 cases in last 14 days.
Why would they be put into level 5?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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