Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

KrustyUCC · 05-10-2020 10:58AM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

there must be huge numbers today after that panic statement last night

Yeah quite a chance of that alright

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 10:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The pandemic deniers go to arguments.
' mental health'

'where will the money come from'

'the pub is sacrosanct'

People die anyway

leaving out that they are affected financially.

Just be honest we need to solve all of the problems so that's ok, this is not going away.

Pandemic deniers? I thought you were above such idiotic labelling. I was wrong.
I haven't seen anyone here or elsewhere claim there is no pandemic. Pathetic attempt from you to dismiss anyone that disagrees with you or the bs you spout.

mr_cochise · 05-10-2020 10:58AM

Blondini wrote: »

My spidey sense tells me you don't like teachers.

I can see how it would come across that way in my post and I realise that it is unfairly harsh on many teachers. I'm sure they are not all like that.

sideswipe · 05-10-2020 10:58AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

The pandemic deniers go to arguments.
' mental health'

'where will the money come from'

'the pub is sacrosanct'

People die anyway

leaving out that they are affected financially.

Just be honest we need to solve all of the problems so that's ok, this is not going away.

I accept those points but what good will level 5 do if covid is not going away? We have to learn to live with it......level 5 doesn't look like living with it to my eye.
Looking at the hospital figures this is becoming a healthcare capacity crisis, which is an exacerbated version of what happens every year.

bennyl10 · 05-10-2020 10:59AM

Cabinet confirmed as meeting today now

rob316 · 05-10-2020 10:59AM

How far off are your experts and modelling if on Thursday you recommend no other county needs to go to level 3 but then on Sunday you say "no we need to go to level 5 for 4 weeks countrywide".

Did we just give up on localized lockdowns? When it worked in Kildare, Laois and Offaly. If Dublin or another part of the country is not responding to 3, go to 4. Places with small incidence rates are going to be subjected to the same restrictions as Dublin, makes no sense.

TexasTornado · 05-10-2020 11:01AM

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Listening to a teachers rep on the radio now. Can't see how the teachers safety can be guaranteed if we go to level 5. I would not be surprised if they walked out.

Could you blame them. They are being treated completely different to every other profession in the country. Not for diamonds would i do it.

KrustyUCC · 05-10-2020 11:01AM

McConkeys opinion about going to level 5 is the headline news on RTE

omegaodie · 05-10-2020 11:01AM

I've been thinking about my drinking lately. I think maybe.... ****it.

NIMAN · 05-10-2020 11:01AM

I wonder would Dr Tony, Sam McConkey, all our politicians, all of NPHET etc continue to advocate all these lockdowns if they were going on PUP and worrying about the ability to pay their mortgage etc?

mr_cochise · 05-10-2020 11:02AM

Boggles wrote: »

Are you and your wife teachers?

1 hospital worker
1 medical device manufacturer
Both grateful to have jobs

giveitholly · 05-10-2020 11:02AM

I reckon boards could break again this evening when there is an announcement after the cabinet meeting

Funsterdelux · 05-10-2020 11:02AM

Seamai wrote: »

I hear from nephews and nieces in secondary schools that canteens facilities are either curtailed or in some cases closed completely.
Last week I noticed the usual hoards of teens thronging outside every garage, deli and supermarket with a hot counter with zero social distancing. Would keeping students on the school grounds with supervised or staggered lunch breaks not be a safer option?

All the controls and procedures in place in sec. schools are not worth a fûck if they are allowed out at lunchtime etc.

Maybe local delis/catering could take orders from schools. Easier to keep in their pods/bubbles/cubes etc.

froog · 05-10-2020 11:02AM

omegaodie wrote: »

I've been thinking about my drinking lately. I think maybe.... ****it.

thank god for beer the last few months that's all i can say.

polesheep · 05-10-2020 11:03AM

Blondini wrote: »

They'd be even safer if they were treated like other workers.

Like miners perhaps?

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 11:04AM

A few posters here would want to take note
https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1313056588329091074?s=19

bb1234567 · 05-10-2020 11:05AM

Boggles wrote: »

150 confirmed cases in hospital 15 admission in the last 24 hours.

The situation has obviously rapidly deteriorated since Thursday. We have had about 2300 cases in the past 5 days, approaching a 500 a day average.

I imagine 50-50 if we get a briefing this evening.

Wow big surge in hospitalisations. Maybe NPHET were expecting a large increase hence the suggestion

05-10-2020 11:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Some otherwise very intelligent folk I know seem to be taken completely and absolutely by surprise by the latest turn of events; the other day enthusiastically suggested a meet-up in the next week or two with a very vulnerable elderly person involved. I was politely vague in reply "we'll have to see the way things are going, not looking good". They seemed quite puzzled by my response. Then comes last night's bombshell and I got a message saying "what a shock, wasn't expecting that at all".

I know I tend to be a "worst case scenario person" and always have some mental plan for that, but most people have a way more optimistic approach to life.

I mean if the government were taken aback and by surprised by this, you can forgive your mates for being surprised too.

giveitholly · 05-10-2020 11:05AM

polesheep wrote: »

Like miners perhaps?

Exactly,teachers guaranteed full salary even if they don't work,unlike many who have zero hour contracts

s1ippy · 05-10-2020 11:05AM

Seamai wrote: »

I hear from nephews and nieces in secondary schools that canteens facilities are either curtailed or in some cases closed completely.
Last week I noticed the usual hoards of teens thronging outside every garage, deli and supermarket with a hot counter with zero social distancing. Would keeping students on the school grounds with supervised or staggered lunch breaks not be a safer option?

Yeah, lock in teachers and students in every school and throw away the key!

giveitholly wrote: »

Exactly,teachers guaranteed full salary even if they don't work,unlike many who have zero hour contracts

Many (possibly a majority of) teachers have zero hour contracts as well.

mr_cochise · 05-10-2020 11:06AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Could you blame them. They are being treated completely different to every other profession in the country. Not for diamonds would i do it.

How are they being treated differently to let's say hospital workers or, at the other end, the service industry fighting to hold on to their livelihoods?

GooglePlus · 05-10-2020 11:06AM

rob316 wrote: »

How far off are your experts and modelling if on Thursday you recommend no other county needs to go to level 3 but then on Sunday you say "no we need to go to level 5 for 4 weeks countrywide".

Did we just give up on localized lockdowns? When it worked in Kildare, Laois and Offaly. If Dublin or another part of the country is not responding to 3, go to 4. Places with small incidence rates are going to be subjected to the same restrictions as Dublin, makes no sense.

I think the tiered system assumes public adherence, which just isn't the reality of the situation. I remember the mood back in April being very serious, nobody was taking chances and as a result, we brought numbers right down. The current tiered system was destined to fail when they chopped and changed levels to suit different areas which took away any credibility of the system. There was no public buy in and we might not see public buy in again unless the message is made clear.

rob316 · 05-10-2020 11:06AM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Could you blame them. They are being treated completely different to every other profession in the country. Not for diamonds would i do it.

They sat home for six months and were the first sector to close. They've done fine. Nurses worked throughout, retail workers had a huge work load.

rob316 · 05-10-2020 11:09AM

GooglePlus wrote: »

I think the tiered system assumes public adherence, which just isn't the reality of the situation. I remember the mood back in April being very serious, nobody was taking chances and as a result, we brought numbers right down. The current tiered system was destined to fail when they chopped and changed levels to suit different areas which took away any credibility of the system. There was no public buy in and we might not see public buy in again unless the message is made clear.

So you need to enforce it, guidelines are **** all use. Public health but also keeping our country open is the priority. I want to see pragmatism from our leaders, the 5 stage plan is useless as its too rigid. If certain areas are a problem go to level 4/5 but pressing the nuclear button for the whole country is senseless.

Blondini · 05-10-2020 11:10AM

giveitholly wrote: »

Exactly,teachers guaranteed full salary even if they don't work,unlike many who have zero hour contracts

mr_cochise wrote: »

How are they being treated differently to let's say hospital workers or, at the other end, the service industry fighting to hold on to their livelihoods?

rob316 wrote: »

They sat home for six months and were the first sector to close. They've done fine. Nurses worked throughout, retail workers had a huge work load.

There's already a dedicated teacher bashing thread btw, maybe use that and free up this one for the grownups? Hmmm?

KrustyUCC · 05-10-2020 11:10AM

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1313047846820741120

giveitholly · 05-10-2020 11:10AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah, lock in teachers and students in every school and throw away the key!

Many (possibly a majority of) teachers have zero hour contracts as well.

Majority don't have zero contracts and you know that,some have thats for sure,if the teachers are so fearful for their health why don't they give up their job,no wait they won't do that because they will lose their salary,thought it was supposed to be health before wealth

Thomas.. · 05-10-2020 11:11AM

Has Varadkar had anything to say for himself or is keeping schtum now the sh1t has the hit the fan?

He had plenty to say 'out of turn' the last while

Boggles · 05-10-2020 11:11AM

mr_cochise wrote: »

1 hospital worker
1 medical device manufacturer

Hospital worker is a broad term.

But even still in your workplaces you have health and safety protocol to adhere to, correct?

So it would be fair to say, neither of ye spend the day in front of 100s of humans in a confined space, with pretty wishy washey safety guidelines?

mr_cochise wrote: »

Both grateful to have jobs

Jaysus and teachers are not?

In my personal experience they are doing Trojan work in very challenging circumstances.

Seamai · 05-10-2020 11:11AM

s1ippy wrote: »

Yeah, lock in teachers and students in every school and throw away the key!

Touchy! If I were a teacher I'd probably feel safer knowing where my pupils were during lunch breaks but God forbid they might have to sacrifice an occasional lunch break (I'm sure most teachers have a couple of free periods during the day). Please forgive me if my heart isn't bleeding enough for them.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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