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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #8732
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The pandemic deniers go to arguments.
    • ' mental health'
    • 'where will the money come from'
    • 'the pub is sacrosanct'
    • People die anyway
    leaving out that they are affected financially.

    Just be honest we need to solve all of the problems so that's ok, this is not going away.


  • #8733
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Blondini wrote: »
    No worries, the clever virus knows where you're going and decides not to spread there, i.e creches and schools.

    Listening to a teachers rep on the radio now. Can't see how the teachers safety can be guaranteed if we go to level 5. I would not be surprised if they walked out.


  • #8734
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Some otherwise very intelligent folk I know seem to be taken completely and absolutely by surprise by the latest turn of events; the other day enthusiastically suggested a meet-up in the next week or two with a very vulnerable elderly person involved. I was politely vague in reply "we'll have to see the way things are going, not looking good". They seemed quite puzzled by my response. Then comes last night's bombshell and I got a message saying "what a shock, wasn't expecting that at all".

    I know I tend to be a "worst case scenario person" and always have some mental plan for that, but most people have a way more optimistic approach to life.


  • #8735
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Jackman25 wrote: »
    Give it a rest. He was elected, he is entitled to give his point of view over the public airwaves and I reckon he will have a good few more followers today.

    He is not some blowhard on an Internet forum that spends the day pouring scorn on everything and anything and reacts like a startled hippo when someone challenges them.

    He is far worse than a blowhard on the internet, like you said he is elected so his ability to whip up the crazies with his nonsense is amplified.

    He should stick to rally driving.


  • #8736
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,133 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Is there any further detail when it comes to secondary schools @level 5 , i.e. letting them out at lunchtimes/congregating etc?

    I'm not sure about that


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  • #8737
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Hard lock down now for 4-6 weeks, open for Christmas, see how long we can last it, lock down again for 4-6 weeks, repeat until a vaccine is here, use time off to bolster health care

    Sounds like a great plan... for you. Off you go.


  • #8738
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Listening to a teachers rep on the radio now. Can't see how the teachers safety can be guaranteed if we go to level 5. I would not be surprised if they walked out.

    Teachers will be a lot safer in Level 5 than Level 2 as cases will drop. At least that is the idea.


  • #8739
    mr_cochise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mr_cochise


    Blondini wrote: »
    No worries, the clever virus knows where you're going and decides not to spread there, i.e creches and schools.

    What a stupid comment that has versions of it repeated over and over again. Do you really need to have risk management explained to you at this stage?


  • #8740
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    Teachers will be a lot safer in Level 5 than Level 2 as cases will drop. At least that is the idea.

    They'd be even safer if they were treated like other workers.


  • #8741
    TexasTornado
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭TexasTornado


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Well no economy is no health service, whatever way you look at it they aren't mutually exclusive so yes there are economics to take into account weather you like it or not.

    Cuba has a rubbish economy yet one of the best health services in the world.


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  • #8742
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    mr_cochise wrote: »
    What a stupid comment that has versions of it repeated over and over again. Do you really need to have risk management explained to you at this stage?

    Don't waste your time. Really not worth engaging. He knows how important education is and is winding up people


  • #8743
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    mr_cochise wrote: »
    What a stupid comment that has versions of it repeated over and over again. Do you really need to have risk management explained to you at this stage?

    Oooooooh who's a moaning Michael.

    There's nothing you know that I don't so off with ya.


  • #8744
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The pandemic deniers go to arguments.
    • ' mental health'
    • 'where will the money come from'
    • 'the pub is sacrosanct'
    • People die anyway
    leaving out that they are affected financially.

    Just be honest we need to solve all of the problems so that's ok, this is not going away.

    Just because people have concerns doesn't mean that their "pandemic deniers". Bit of a condescending post but I presume anyone who disagrees with you seems to be labelled as such.

    I have concerns which have nothing to do with the above but I'm not a denier.


  • #8745
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,098 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Some otherwise very intelligent folk I know seem to be taken completely and absolutely by surprise by the latest turn of events;
    Why on earth wouldn't they be surprised when they were told, by the same body, that there was no need to go to Level 3 but then - LOL! - it's Level 5 a few days later?
    When the whole concept of the "Living with Covid Plan" is to move through the levels not leap over nearly all of them.
    Of course people, intelligent or otherwise, are taken aback by this.


  • #8746
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,305 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I could go to level 5 now, wouldn't change my life that much anyway.

    I work from home, have no social life! And the shopping I do is going to buy food.

    I would miss visiting my elderly mother but she survived back in March and April and will so again. I'd miss my weekly football game but that can wait.

    My big worry would be damage to the economy and how we, and our kids, are going to pay for all this in the future.


  • #8747
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The pandemic deniers go to arguments.
    • ' mental health'
    • 'where will the money come from'
    • 'the pub is sacrosanct'
    • People die anyway
    leaving out that they are affected financially.

    Just be honest we need to solve all of the problems so that's ok, this is not going away.

    The chief psychiatrist of Dundrum Mental Hospital, on one the the radio programs during the summer, was saying how the term "mental health" has been hijacked by non-experts to suit their own argument with a pseudo-medical term, when what they are really talking about is something that would otherwise be described by use of the old-fashioned word "morale".


  • #8748
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    The ECB said they would continue to print money until mid-2021. After that it is up to each individual country to raise the money they need from private investors, i.e. release bonds - same method of raising money we have always used.

    There is a massive difference between now and 2008. We needed a massive wodge of cash in a short space of time to prevent the banks from going under. Everyone, including the hedge funds, knew that our economy was built on a house of cards and that it was going to be very difficult for us to pay back our bondholders (the country's bondholders, not the banks bondholders, two different things). So private investors started wanting more of a return on the bond, to offset the risk that we wouldn't pay them back, and hedge funds played on that uncertainty and started overwhelmingly betting on Ireland defaulting. We could sell the bonds for any money at that stage. That was why we needed the bailout.

    I don't know how much the ECB is giving us from the printed money, but it's likely to go someway towards bridging the 9bn gap in our finances so far. The remainder will presumably be raised through the sale of bonds in the normal fashion. The difference this time around is that our economy is way more robust and healthy, once this covid thing is taken away. So we are much more likely to repay bondholders and bondholders will see that. Hopefully this will mean that we will be in a good position in mid-2021 to raise the money we need. And again, hopefully, we will have a vaccine by then so there will be some certainty on how much this has all cost us, and how much we will need to repair the economy. Certainty is everything.

    The only way we will need a bailout is if there is no vaccine, and we get wave upon wave of infections which results in massive healthcare spending and lockdowns which involve a massive decrease in tax returns. That's all a big if. It's more likely to be the first scenario rather than the second.


  • #8749
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just because people have concerns doesn't mean that their "pandemic deniers". Bit of a condescending post but I presume anyone who disagrees with you seems to be labelled as such.

    I have concerns which have nothing to do with the above but I'm not a denier.

    All he can do is mock people with genuine concerns. Cavaet Emptor has no skin in this fight and it is just a game to him.


  • #8750
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Just because people have concerns doesn't mean that their "pandemic deniers". Bit of a condescending post but I presume anyone who disagrees with you seems to be labelled as such.

    I have concerns which have nothing to do with the above but I'm not a denier.

    Be that as it may. People's opinions have contributed to this disaster. The sooner we get real the better.


  • #8751
    mr_cochise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭mr_cochise


    Blondini wrote: »
    They'd be even safer if they were treated like other workers.

    Listening to the teachers unions this morning made my blood boil. These are the people that have such influence over our children and what are they teaching us...at the first sign of difficulty go whinging and moaning and running away!
    I will continue to work. My wife will continue to work. There are thousands out there who want to go to work, but no, the teachers don't want to work, again!


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  • #8752
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 21,290 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ixoy wrote: »
    Why on earth wouldn't they be surprised when they were told, by the same body, that there was no need to go to Level 3 but then - LOL! - it's Level 5 a few days later?
    When the whole concept of the "Living with Covid Plan" is to move through the levels not leap over nearly all of them.
    Of course people, intelligent or otherwise, are taken aback by this.

    If one is relying entirely on NPHET and not reading between the lines and making one's own assessment if what's coming down the track.


  • #8753
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,336 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    mr_cochise wrote: »
    L
    I will continue to work. My wife will continue to work.

    Are you and your wife teachers?


  • #8754
    Blondini
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭Blondini


    mr_cochise wrote: »
    Listening to the teachers unions this morning made my blood boil. These are the people that have such influence over our children and what are they teaching us...at the first sign of difficulty go whinging and moaning and running away!
    I will continue to work. My wife will continue to work. There are thousands out there who want to go to work, but no, the teachers don't want to work, again!

    My spidey sense tells me you don't like teachers.


  • #8755
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Be that as it may. People's opinions have contributed to this disaster. The sooner we get real the better.

    Granted yes.

    But your use of pandemic deniers to describe anyone who questions something is fundamental wrong. Just because you question something doesn't make you a denier. I'd be more concerned if questions weren't being asked


  • #8756
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »
    All he can do is mock people with genuine concerns. Cavaet Emptor has no skin in this fight and it is just a game to him.

    WTF. You don't know me so please don't comment on me.
    Everyone is hurting financially.
    Don't be a cretan and speak about things you don't know.


  • #8757
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    TexasTornado wrote: »
    Iv'e actually listened to him a fair bit tbh. He clearly knows what he is talking about unlike many of the "experts" on here.

    Many of the 'experts' here unlike McConkey have been consistent in their opinions. McConkey changes his almost daily. He's an idiot.


  • #8758
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    there must be huge numbers today after that panic statement last night


  • #8759
    Non solum non ambulabit
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭Non solum non ambulabit


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    there must be huge numbers today after that panic statement last night

    Yes. I think you are right.


  • #8760
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    It is all, unfortunately, true.

    Its not. You are predicting 5000 more deaths for Sweden up to Christmas.

    That chances of that happening are non existent, despite them remaining open.


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  • #8761
    Seamai
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Listening to a teachers rep on the radio now. Can't see how the teachers safety can be guaranteed if we go to level 5. I would not be surprised if they walked out.

    I hear from nephews and nieces in secondary schools that canteens facilities are either curtailed or in some cases closed completely.
    Last week I noticed the usual hoards of teens thronging outside every garage, deli and supermarket with a hot counter with zero social distancing. Would keeping students on the school grounds with supervised or staggered lunch breaks not be a safer option?


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