Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Miike · 05-10-2020 12:19AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Remember this is from the same industry that say 3 pints is binge drinking and that anything more than 1 square of chocolate or 5 crisps a week is too much for a child as a treat.

Too much faith has been put onto them just because they got 600 points on the leaving cert.

Do you think they made these things up or what? I'm not getting the purpose of your post at all. The recommendations you attempted to quote are the results of decades of research which have been replicated time and time again but sure what does that matter when it doesn't suit your narrative.

MrMusician18 · 05-10-2020 12:19AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

We didn't all fail.

Tell me what I did wrong?

Oh, that's right, you're making stuff up. :rolleyes:

You've been posting endlessly against the guidelines, stirring and attempting to undermine the collective effort to get this under control.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:21AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Close it off.... the fact of the matter is that we can.

Please reasonably explain how you close an invisible border

Line the border with soldiers and checkpoints. Might sound familiar.

"Oh you can't do that!!!"

Yes you CAN. This isn't about politics. Politics isn't going to defeat a virus. It's not an opinion, there aren't two sides of a disease.

And if that isn't good enough, well somebody better come up with an alternative exit strategy that works.

Clearly this current bullshyt is ineffective.

Mwengwe · 05-10-2020 12:21AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Cabinet of the view no other country has taken this approach.

Level 5 won’t happen

4 will though and it's all the same

cnocbui · 05-10-2020 12:23AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Close it off.... the fact of the matter is that we can.

Please reasonably explain how you close an invisible border. If your going to suggest it and simply just push aside the endless numbers who say it can't be done then explain how its done because an Irish army report on the border for a hard brexit said its not possible to have a hard border

Just offer a financial incentive to farmers near the border to take their spare tractors and other assorted large machinery out of their yards and use it to block their nearest crossing. Job done.

normanoffside · 05-10-2020 12:23AM

This is a weird argument and a totally mad situation.

There's people on the 'right' that want all restrictions removed.
They are generally xenophobes and racists and want to keep Ireland Irish :rolleyes:.

Meanwhile there are also people on the 'left' who want to enact extreme right wing policies of jailing people for breaching restrictions, banning immigration and travel, blaming foreigners for bringing the disease into Ireland.

There is a severe lack of a rational political approach to this all.

I'd love to be able to protest without being labelled a looper, but politically there is nowhere to go at the moment.

shocksy · 05-10-2020 12:23AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You've been posting endlessly against the guidelines, stirring and attempting to undermine the collective effort to get this under control.

That's cause Gemma is his idol and he follows everything she says. He's a whack job.

rob316 · 05-10-2020 12:24AM

Lockdown was easy the last time as people were terrified and supported it but it will be very difficult this time, there will be little support for it especially when no other country has taken this route.

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 12:24AM

Miike wrote: »

Do you think they made these things up or what? I'm not getting the purpose of your post at all. The recommendations you attempted to quote are the results of decades of research which have been replicated time and time again but sure what does that matter when it doesn't suit your narrative.

Your faith in nutritionists is quaint. You still on the margarine?

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:24AM

cnocbui wrote: »

Let nature take it's course, Swedish style. It's going to happen anyway.

I'll tell you what's going to happen with certainty.

This country, and many others, are going to be in absolute bits come January.

There still won't be an exit strategy. There still won't be a vaccine. The virus will still be here. There'll still be lockdowns.

It's not going away on its own. The more that people rely on sudden miracles to happen, the more this thing and all its effects worsen.

political analyst · 05-10-2020 12:25AM

It looks like it's helpful to have a runny nose!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8804737/Coronavirus-Rhinovirus-equip-immune-ward-illness.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true

Strumms · 05-10-2020 12:25AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Kildare had 7 new cases on Sunday.

Kildare's population is close to a quarter of a million.

Bring on Level 5. :D:D:D:D

You couldn't make this shit up.

Government signing its' own death warrant. Michael Collinsesque.

Are we to base our reaction to covid countrywide though based on the numbers from one county ?

India which is also a place on earth has a fatality rate of 1.6%... should we just forget social distancing based on this. Italy though is 11.1%.

rob316 · 05-10-2020 12:27AM

normanoffside wrote: »

This is a weird argument and a totally mad situation.

There's people on the 'right' that want all restrictions removed.
They are generally xenophobes and racists and want to keep Ireland Irish :rolleyes:.

Meanwhile there are also people on the 'left' who want to enact extreme right wing policies of jailing people for breaching restrictions, banning immigration and travel, blaming foreigners for bringing the disease into Ireland.

There is a severe lack of a rational political approach to this all.

I'd love to be able to protest without being labelled a looper, but politically there is nowhere to go at the moment.

Sure that's the problem there is no middle ground. Showing an skepticism and your a tin foil hate wearer. Talk about the economy and your called cold and ageist. I'd love to protest but those lads are mental.

We need a serious conversation about all effects of locking down and not. Their is tough decisions to make, direct deaths from covid can not be the only factor in our public health.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:28AM

Gradius wrote: »

Line the border with soldiers and checkpoints. Might sound familiar.

"Oh you can't do that!!!"

Yes you CAN. This isn't about politics. Politics isn't going to defeat a virus. It's not an opinion, there aren't two sides of a disease.

And if that isn't good enough, well somebody better come up with an alternative exit strategy that works.

Clearly this current bullshyt is ineffective.

Yes you can line the border with soldiers (if you have enough)
Now, soldier's can't really police the public (i've a;ways wondered with the money transfrers with the army, can they open fire if not fired upon?). What happens when a soldier tries to stop an Irish citizen crossing the border? They cannot be refused entry, they hold an Irish passport.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 12:28AM

Gradius wrote: »

Line the border with soldiers and checkpoints. Might sound familiar.

"Oh you can't do that!!!"

Yes you CAN. This isn't about politics. Politics isn't going to defeat a virus. It's not an opinion, there aren't two sides of a disease.

And if that isn't good enough, well somebody better come up with an alternative exit strategy that works.

Clearly this current bullshyt is ineffective.

So much wrong with this post where do I start....

Firstly there's not a hope in hell you see soldiers anywhere near the border. Your dreaming if you think that. Secondly we wouldn't have enough and they can't actually stop anyone nor do they have any civil power, not exactly easy to give them that either.

Whatever you opinion and your wants, there ain't going to be a hard border

Deshawn · 05-10-2020 12:29AM

Gradius wrote: »

I'll tell you what's going to happen with certainty.

This country, and many others, are going to be in absolute bits come January.

There still won't be an exit strategy. There still won't be a vaccine. The virus will still be here. There'll still be lockdowns.

It's not going away on its own. The more that people rely on sudden miracles to happen, the more this thing and all its effects worsen.

Even if a vaccine was available tomorrow it would take at least a year to administer globally.

A rushed vaccine?
Limited large scale manufacturing capabilities?
Geo politics hampering a cohesive distribution plan?

This virus will be around until 2022 and will probably return over and over.

One positive is the availability of low interest and interest free money available to countries enabling them to keep the lights on. The negative (depending on who you ask) to this is the chance of inflation afterwards

Miike · 05-10-2020 12:30AM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Your faith in food science is quaint. You still on the margarine?

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Your faith in nutritionists is quaint. You still on the margarine?

My faith in evidence based, replicated studies remains totally intact. How else should we make health recommendations or discoveries? Sadly, my crystal ball is getting cleaned at the moment so that's out.

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 12:30AM

Bring out the sniffer dogs. Shoot visor wearers on sight. Any comparisons between Covid and the flu result in a 500 Euro fine.

fritzelly · 05-10-2020 12:30AM

political analyst wrote: »

It looks like it's helpful to have a runny nose!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8804737/Coronavirus-Rhinovirus-equip-immune-ward-illness.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&__twitter_impression=true

Booyah - just getting over a cold (that's if I didn't already catch it)

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:31AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Yes you can line the border with soldiers (if you have enough)
Now, soldier's can't really police the public (i've a;ways wondered with the money transfrers with the army, can they open fire if not fired upon?). What happens when a soldier tries to stop an Irish citizen crossing the border? They cannot be refused entry, they hold an Irish passport.

Right now, this situation currently is 100% leading to the rack and ruin of the country. Guaranteed. No it's or maybes.

If some piece of paper legislation is what's holding back a plan of action, bang, it's gone. She never be writes a note, gives a speech, it's all done in 15 minutes effectively.

People really, really need to stop confusing "can't" with "won't".

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:32AM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You've been posting endlessly against the guidelines, stirring and attempting to undermine the collective effort to get this under control.

Guidelines aren't law and we all have the right to make our voices heard in a democracy.

Does that break your poor little heart?

Freedom of speech?

The collective effort to leave people in poverty led by the the six figure per annum brigade?

Take your hatred of democracy elsewhere.

But I guess you'd rather the country listens to an idiot like Martin who was a senior government minister when FF and the Greens told us we were getting the cheapest bailout in history.

And there's Varadkar beside him. Do you remember what Varadkar said about Martin a few months ago? "Putting him back in charge would be like putting John Delaney back in control of the FAI".

And there's Varadkar pulling what 200 grand a year, standing beside him, backing him up.

And the country is full of idiots who think this is all grand.

People are dying and suffering because of covid, but the data clearly shows it's not the problem we thought it was in March.

bodhrandude · 05-10-2020 12:32AM

When are these restrictions due to come into effect, I'm travelling back from Cork in the morning to Galway, is it midnight tomorrow?

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 12:32AM

Gradius wrote: »

Line the border with soldiers and checkpoints. Might sound familiar.

"Oh you can't do that!!!"

Yes you CAN. This isn't about politics. Politics isn't going to defeat a virus. It's not an opinion, there aren't two sides of a disease.

And if that isn't good enough, well somebody better come up with an alternative exit strategy that works.

Clearly this current bullshyt is ineffective.

You clearly have no idea of the strength of the DF or international treaties.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-10-2020 12:33AM

Gradius wrote: »

Right now, this situation currently is 100% leading to the rack and ruin of the country. Guaranteed. No it's or maybes.

If some piece of paper legislation is what's holding back a plan of action, bang, it's gone. She never be writes a note, gives a speech, it's all done in 15 minutes effectively.

People really, really need to stop confusing "can't" with "won't".

Have you a number of how many soldiers we need to close the border?

This should be good.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:33AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

So much wrong with this post where do I start....

Firstly there's not a hope in hell you see soldiers anywhere near the border. Your dreaming if you think that. Secondly we wouldn't have enough and they can't actually stop anyone nor do they have any civil power

Whatever you opinion and your wants, there ain't going to be a hard border

"Can't" and "won't" are not the same thing.

But eventually, and quickly, it'll be "no choice".

Watch.

Miike · 05-10-2020 12:33AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

When are these restrictions due to come into effect, I'm travelling back from Cork in the morning to Galway, is it midnight tomorrow?

They are only recommendations by the NPHET to government. Nothing has been adopted yet

j8wk2feszrnpao · 05-10-2020 12:33AM

bodhrandude wrote: »

When are these restrictions due to come into effect, I'm travelling back from Cork in the morning to Galway, is it midnight tomorrow?

Nothing confirmed yet. Still only recommendations before the government decides.

CalamariFritti · 05-10-2020 12:34AM

I dont understand how we got to the point where nphet seem to believe they have become an acting political entity that is allowed to make public announcements and put the government into untenable positions.
They are an advisory body to the government no more no less. They should never have been allowed on TV never mind regular public briefings.
The only ones to blame here are the incredibly weak politicians who pose as our elected government. They now just seem to be bouncing off a hysterical media and an out of control nphet with no power of their own. I wouldnt be surprised if the government collapsed over this.

Edit: The more I think about it the only solution available is to dismantle nphet asap, but I'm afraid this government wouldnt dare to do it. Nphet have them by the balls of their own scare campaign as nphet will be sure they have public support for their recommendations. We're fvcked I think. Welcome to your new public health overlords.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:34AM

Gradius wrote: »

Right now, this situation currently is 100% leading to the rack and ruin of the country. Guaranteed. No it's or maybes.

If some piece of paper legislation is what's holding back a plan of action, bang, it's gone. She never be writes a note, gives a speech, it's all done in 15 minutes effectively.

People really, really need to stop confusing "can't" with "won't".

I think that maybe the Good Friday agreement or the Irish Constitution you want rid of? We're not Great Britian, we don't break international law!

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 12:35AM

Gradius wrote: »

"Can't" and "won't" are not the same thing.

But eventually, and quickly, it'll be "no choice".

Watch.

Your actually clueless as to how any of this works if that's what you think, it simply is not possible for multiple reasons. Namely international law and the good Friday agreement...

Watch.... grand will bookmark this.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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