Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:06AM

ixoy wrote: »

Bingo? How do we manage Northern Ireland?

It's not some alien species that has technology we can't comprehend.

It's a bunch of people under a different regime.

Close it off.

Again, it's too easy to say "we can't do that!". The plain fact of the matter is that we can.

Five Eighth · 05-10-2020 12:07AM

Nphet, as is their brief, prioritises physical health. Mental health, social health and economic health also have to be taken into account. People are very worried about their future - jobs, raising children, paying mortgages, etc. etc. Hopefully, the Level 5 recommendation will be used as a 'yellow card' by Government to try and persuade those people who are flouting the Covid guidelines to change their behaviour. Common sense goes a very long way.

05-10-2020 12:07AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

If there's a risk to public health, there is laws in place to protect the public.
The government went with the police by consent option.
People are very quick to point to the government failures, HSE failures, Testing failures (and yes they all failed), but the public also failed.
We all failed.

For all the giving out and blame about people not respecting restrictions - cases rise when you open up the country. Its indisputable. Blaming people doesn't help and may not even be overly accurate.

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:07AM

Kildare had 7 new cases on Sunday.

Kildare's population is close to a quarter of a million.

Bring on Level 5.

:D:D:D:D

You couldn't make this shit up.

Government signing its' own death warrant. Michael Collinsesque.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:08AM

Christy42 wrote: »

200,000 didn't die on the titanic.

Now now, they died in the water, not on the Titanic.
The sinking didn't cause their death, it was drowning or hypothermia!
If ya subscribe to those nutters at least!

Jinglejangle69 · 05-10-2020 12:08AM

Gradius wrote: »

It's not some alien species that has technology we can't comprehend.

It's a bunch of people under a different regime.

Close it off.

Again, it's too easy to say "we can't do that!". The plain fact of the matter is that we can.

Meanwhile in the real world...

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:08AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

If there's a risk to public health, there is laws in place to protect the public.
The government went with the police by consent option.
People are very quick to point to the government failures, HSE failures, Testing failures (and yes they all failed), but the public also failed.
We all failed.

We didn't all fail.

Tell me what I did wrong?

Oh, that's right, you're making stuff up. :rolleyes:

patnor1011 · 05-10-2020 12:10AM

Gradius wrote: »

Put the country into pure isolation, make arrangements for necessary transport of goods, smother the virus out of existence through a protracted period of severe lockdown for a month...

Bingo.

We can play games pretending "we can't do that!" when in fact it means "I don't want to do that", but at the end of the day I would MUCH prefer to be able to live life normally in my own country in exchange for letting every other country die on its arse.

One way or another this choice is coming, so it's a case of

1. Change now while it's easy and voluntary
Or
2. Be forced into changing under much greater difficulty

I take it that you will volunteer to be a member of "transporting and distributing" crew so we all can safely duck away in the house for month or two.

political analyst · 05-10-2020 12:11AM

Dr Giesecke backtracked on his suggestion the day after he spoke to the Covid committee.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/expert-backtracks-on-advice-to-let-virus-spread-among-under-60s-1018846.html

Dr Giesecke told the committee that Sweden's “soft lockdown” worked because the country trusted its people. He added that “people are not stupid” and will respond if told how to protect themselves.

However, Dr Giesecke later appeared on Drivetime on RTÉ Radio One, where he said Sweden “could get better” at controlling the spread of the virus.

He said everyone in his country was “holding their breath” right now as they had seen an increase in cases over the past week.

Dr Giesecke said he was not recommending “letting the virus run rampant in the population” but rather that the focus should be on “protecting the old ones” and doing “everything to protect people from getting very ill or dying.”

The doctor also clarified he had not recommended that Ireland adopt a policy of herd immunity: “We still don’t know if herd immunity is possible or not. It’s never been the Swedish policy to go there.”

“I’m not prescribing anything for Ireland. you have to make your own decisions, that’s not just up to me. I’m just saying the way that it is in my country,” he said.

Dr Giesecke said he appeared at the Oireachtas committee to report back on Sweden’s experiences rather than say that other countries should adopt a similar policy.

“I’m not an Irishman, I can’t prescribe to you or your Government what you should be doing,” he said.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:11AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Meanwhile in the real world...

Miller time is approaching fast.

While hordes of sheep keep bleating about what they don't want to do, there is practically zero exit strategy.

So people better make their mind up about what to do, proactively, instead of watching the country die on its legs with each passing day.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:11AM

AdamD wrote: »

For all the giving out and blame about people not respecting restrictions - cases rise when you open up the country. Its indisputable. Blaming people doesn't help and may not even be overly accurate.

I agree with you there. And a lot of blame has to lie with the government for not having the respect of the public. There's been a severe lack of direction from the government. We only hear from them now when the **** hits the fan.
They should be out front and center, reminding the public and winning our trust and compliance.

05-10-2020 12:11AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Crass to suggest a tragedy which claimed many children and young women's lives to can be compared to Covid.

Yeah, too soon man.

Hand in Your Pants · 05-10-2020 12:12AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What in the name of jeasus is this rubbish

Ramblings of a moron.

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:12AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

We didn't all fail.

Tell me what I did wrong?

Oh, that's right, you're making stuff up. :rolleyes:

When I say 'We all' I mean the public as a whole.

Jinglejangle69 · 05-10-2020 12:12AM

Gradius wrote: »

Miller time is approaching fast.

While hordes of sheep keep bleating about what they don't want to do, there is practically zero exit strategy.

So people better make their mind up about what to do, proactively, instead of watching the country die on its legs with each passing day.

Great Britain couldn't manage to close our border with the North.

How do you propose we do it here?

SeaBreezes · 05-10-2020 12:13AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It has nothing in common with HIV apart from the fact it's a virus

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-covid-19-study-reveals-that-sars-cov-2-uses-cd4-cells-to-infect-t-helper-lymphocytes--covid-19-a-potent-version-of-airborne-hiv

Your welcome, Dazzler.

Though the headline is a little dramatic. It has similarities, but is not the same.

Richard Hillman · 05-10-2020 12:13AM

Remember this is from the same industry that say 3 pints is binge drinking and that anything more than 1 square of chocolate or 5 crisps a week is too much for a child as a treat.

Too much faith has been put onto them just because they got 600 points on the leaving cert.

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:13AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

I take it that you will volunteer to be a member of "transporting and distributing" crew so we all can safely duck away in the house for month or two.

Another "I don't want to do that" mixed with "that can't be done."?

What's the alternative?

Gradius · 05-10-2020 12:14AM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Great Britain couldn't manage to close our border with the North.

How do you propose we do it here?

"It can't be done."

What's the alternative?

Roger the cabin boy · 05-10-2020 12:15AM

Kite flying.

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:15AM

For all those crying for a lockdown, I hope that includes an end to sewage services, bin collections, electricity supplies, closure of supermarkets and petrol stations, and telecommunication services.

After all, this is how we'll get rid of the virus right?

We're all in this together, yeh?

Oh, what's that I hear the spinless WFH brigade say? We're like the Keep Sunday Special crowd. We don't want certain businesses open but we still want all our mod-cons.

Hypocritical scum.

stephenjmcd · 05-10-2020 12:15AM

Gradius wrote: »

It's not some alien species that has technology we can't comprehend.

It's a bunch of people under a different regime.

Close it off.

Again, it's too easy to say "we can't do that!". The plain fact of the matter is that we can.

Close it off.... the fact of the matter is that we can.

Please reasonably explain how you close an invisible border. If your going to suggest it and simply just push aside the endless numbers who say it can't be done then explain how its done because an Irish army report on the border for a hard brexit said its not possible to have a hard border

Gael23 · 05-10-2020 12:15AM

Cabinet of the view no other country has taken this approach.

Level 5 won’t happen

Wolf359f · 05-10-2020 12:16AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Remember this is from the same industry that say 3 pints is binge drinking and that anything more than 1 square of chocolate or 5 crisps a week is too much for a child as a treat.

Too much faith has been put onto them just because they got 600 points on the leaving cert.

What industry is that?
Looking on my bottle of beer, same bottle is 1.1 ROI units and 1.3 UK units....
Does that mean the UK 'Industry' is more strict than ours?

Zebra3 · 05-10-2020 12:17AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

When I say 'We all' I mean the public as a whole.

I'm part of the public and I didn't do anything wrong.

So retract your lies.

cnocbui · 05-10-2020 12:17AM

Gradius wrote: »

Another "I don't want to do that" mixed with "that can't be done."?

What's the alternative?

Let nature take it's course, Swedish style. It's going to happen anyway.

Ficheall · 05-10-2020 12:17AM

niallo27 wrote: »

life jackets were no good to any of the passengers as they frooze to death in the water.

They didn't all die, though. Some of them were helped to survive by wearing life jackets.

Plumbthedepths · 05-10-2020 12:18AM

Gradius wrote: »

Again, it's too easy to say "we can't do that!". The plain fact of the matter is that we can.

Actually no we can't. Anyone that is familiar with the region knows this but of course the Boards experts are never wrong.

Deshawn · 05-10-2020 12:18AM

Gradius wrote: »

Another "I don't want to do that" mixed with "that can't be done."?

What's the alternative?

The alternative is keep complaining and moaning at the government and holohan while flu season approaches and a second wave continues to gather pace.
The hse creaks under the pressure of the annual winter flu. Throw in a pandemic on top of that and we will have a winter of absolute misery.

Four weeks of harsher restrictions is necessary

FintanMcluskey · 05-10-2020 12:19AM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Ramblings of a moron.

Free prisoners, mentions non violent and non gang related.

Sex offenders must get a pass, they wernt mentioned.

Stick an old one with her mask on onside out in the free cell.

And the conspiracy theorists are the nuts

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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