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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Whatever you may think about this recommendation, the fact it was leaked on a Sunday night is an absolute disgrace.

    This shouldn't happen it causes chaos.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    titan18 wrote: »
    This is what HSE classify as high risk

    The list of people in high risk groups includes people who:

    are over 60 years of age
    have a learning disability
    have a lung condition that's not severe (such as asthma, COPD, emphysema or bronchitis)
    have heart disease (such as heart failure)
    have high blood pressure (hypertension)
    have diabetes
    have chronic kidney disease
    have liver disease (such as hepatitis)
    have a medical condition that can affect your breathing
    have cancer
    have clinically stable cystic fibrosis
    have a weak immune system (immunosuppressed)
    have cerebrovascular disease
    have a condition affecting your brain or nerves (such as Parkinson's disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis, or cerebral palsy)
    have a problem with your spleen or have had your spleen removed
    have a condition that means you have a high risk of getting infections (such as HIV, lupus or scleroderma)
    are taking medicine that can affect your immune system (such as low doses of steroids)
    have obesity
    are residents of nursing homes and other long-stay settings
    are in specialist disability care and are over 50 years of age or have an underlying health problem


    That's a feckload of people, even more when you add in people living with that group.

    How does having a learning disability increase the likelihood of having severe symptoms if infected?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    A mate just texted me saying that the army are going in at midnight tomorrow night. Jaysus
    Nice try!;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    All colleges are online :confused:

    They aren't. It's a combination of online and on site. There have definitely been college lectures in the building I work in (albeit socially distanced and masked), and obviously practical labs and projects have to occur in person. Also, as we saw in Galway and Limerick, students are still congregating in groups outside of college even if the majority of lectures are online.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Messi19 wrote: »
    Somebody might correct me here but I don't remember seeing NPHET on the ballot paper back in February

    If anything this shows NPHET are not running the show and are olnly giving a recommendation if the government are going to go against it. I also feel you be on here if the government disregarded NPHET and things got worse complaining they didn't do as they recommended


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,557 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    The one thing I really don't get is people saying stuff like "we did everything that was asked of us" as if there was a checklist to be completed and then Covid would say fair play you completed all your objectives, I'm away off good luck :confused:

    What did the HSE do when we gave them time over the last 6 months?

    With all the billions we have had to borrow could we not have pumped it into 200 extra ICU beds for people who need it from covid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,196 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I doubt many care now. They know there is zero enforcement anyway.

    So it is up to the individual to observe the rules now voluntarily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    How does having a learning disability increase the likelihood of having severe symptoms if infected?

    Because if you're like my son special needs , you would have no way of telling me how your feeling.
    May not be able to receive treatment that a regular person could ect ect


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I doubt many care now. They know there is zero enforcement anyway.

    So it is up to the individual to observe the rules now voluntarily.

    Pretty much been that way since day one, and here we are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,396 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    How does having a learning disability increase the likelihood of having severe symptoms if infected?

    Because if you're like my son special needs , you would have no way of telling me how your feeling.
    May not be able to receive treatment that a regular person could ect ect


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,818 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    And by concentrating on Covid related illness and cutting down treatment and diagnoses of other illnesses a lot more people will die than from Covid.



    I thought Doctors had to take an oath to always preserve life, why are they agreeing to this shambles?

    Your right they also need to continue with those treatment but they have to do them in a way that those people (who are at a greater risk if they get COVID 19) are as risk fee as possible. What they should do is have COVID 19 hospitals


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭quartz1


    The one thing I really don't get is people saying stuff like "we did everything that was asked of us" as if there was a checklist to be completed and then Covid would say fair play you completed all your objectives, I'm away off good luck :confused:

    Your right and we all didn't do enough ... In all fairness there was complacency by the people and inaction by The Governemnt ...

    Might be painful and wishful but if we could only as a group try and control this then most people could have some sort of life. There are a few who don't want to know about the virus but their not facing been vulnerable or don't have vulnerable loves ones. The economics arguement is valid but if the virus takes over the economy is going to be hit even worse.


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I doubt many care now. They know there is zero enforcement anyway.

    So it is up to the individual to observe the rules now voluntarily.

    Pretty much been that way since day one and here we are.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,974 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    OscarMIlde wrote: »
    They aren't. It's a combination of online and on site. There have definitely been college lectures in the building I work in (albeit socially distanced and masked), and obviously practical labs and projects have to occur in person. Also, as we saw in Galway and Limerick, students are still congregating in groups outside of college even if the majority of lectures are online.
    I'm a university student, not a single person is on site.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,310 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    All bars in Paris ordered to close
    Bars in Paris to shut from Tuesday

    All bars in Paris will close from Tuesday after the capital was put on maximum alert level, Reuters reported.

    It follows a surge in cases that saw France’s infection numbers hit 16,972 on Saturday – the highest daily number since the country began mass testing.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,279 ✭✭✭political analyst


    quokula wrote: »
    It’s obvious that with the way things are going that a couple of months from now level 5 would be needed, so going there now may mean we need to stay there for less time and can get things under control much more quickly. And fewer people would die in the process, though nobody seems to care about that these days for some reason because a few extra quid in your pocket and the ability to go for a pint are more important.

    Do you not know that shutting down the economy means less money for the health service? Of those who have severe symptoms, very few are of the non-vulnerable category.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,067 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    All colleges are online confused.png

    Only recently, as you know. They had been open with "blended learning", save WIT who had the wit to call everything online from the summer, as opposed to other colleges faffing about giving zero information and forcing students to get accommodation etc, for feck-all on-campus hour.
    Obviously cases were going to rise when students were back and socialising, and it's disingenuous of colleges to express any "shock" or "disappointment" at students' behaviour.



    Edit: No pun intended.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Hopefully they use this next lockdown to improve out health service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Hubertj wrote: »
    This is pretty much it in a nutshell. NPHET, dept of health and HSE took the summer off patting themselves on the back. They’ve let the country down badly.

    Ahh come on, the béal bocht is strong from you Hubert.


  • Posts: 9,106 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    What did the HSE do when we gave them time over the last 6 months?

    With all the billions we have had to borrow could we not have pumped it into 200 extra ICU beds for people who need it from covid?

    It's the oldest trick in the book- ask for something outrageous (Level 5) and government will move to Level 3- so politicians all look squeaky clean -

    I agree with you, ICU beds are dictating a lot of this rubbish- those who need to should take responsibility for their health- isolate, cocoon etc Protect those who can't look after themselves- elderly in nursing homes etc. Locking down country is not the way to go anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,582 ✭✭✭✭leahyl


    I'm a university student, not a single person is on site.

    There are students still coming in for practicals for some programmes, just because your programme is all online doesn’t mean everyone’s is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,183 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    https://www.ucc.ie/en/emt/covid19/timetables/

    Teaching, Learning, and Assessment (Undergraduate and Postgraduate)
    In accordance with the Government’s directions, lectures shall be delivered online to the maximum extent possible during this period of enhanced protective measures.
    Lab-based, clinical, and practical based tuition may continue on campus in accordance with the existing arrangements already in place on campus.
    Programme Directors and Module Co-ordinators shall communicate these changes in lecture/tutorial arrangements to students via Canvas and/or email. Students should check their student email and Canvas for alerts about lectures/tutorials next week and during this period.
    Any assessments which may be scheduled in the coming week will proceed as planned unless students are notified otherwise by your Programme Director/Module Co-ordinator.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,815 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Anyone defending NPHET and just recommending the best course of action from a public health perspective... then why so their recommendations constantly get leaked to the media ahead of any cabinet meeting to discuss them. They've completely overstepped their remit, level 5 nationally is insanity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,141 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    What did the HSE do when we have given time over the last 6 months?

    With all the billions we have had to borrow could we not have pumped it into 200 extra ICU beds for people who need it from covid?

    Do we have people to staff those beds. Enough qualified people ? ....extremly doubtful. you could spend a couple of million or hundreds of thousands on extra icu beds in new wards with all the associated equipment and whatever...but if there are not the doctors, nurses, carers, porters, security....

    In reality instead of putting the burden on over burdened hospitals and their staff and loved ones... we as citizens here need to fùcking up our game and remain vigilent and do the right thing.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All bars in Paris ordered to close

    For two weeks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,981 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    How does having a learning disability increase the likelihood of having severe symptoms if infected?

    Less likely to be able to comply with social distancing and hygiene guidelines (my autistic brother sticks everything in his mouth for example). They may also may not be able to communicate symptoms, thus resulting in treatment delay. A lot of people with severe intellectual disabilities are in group homes or long term residential care and thus have a high amount of contacts, especially in places where agency workers are a large proportion of staff.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,979 ✭✭✭plodder


    The one thing I really don't get is people saying stuff like "we did everything that was asked of us" as if there was a checklist to be completed and then Covid would say fair play you completed all your objectives, I'm away off good luck :confused:
    No, but the government didn't complete all their objectives such as an effective test and trace system. It's mind boggling to think that only this week they have decided to start tracing back farther than 48 hours. We should have had these optimised systems in place for the second wave to catch it locally and stamp it out. They have failed utterly in that regard.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    This is all the fault of visor users. They should hang their heads in shame.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭TexasTornado


    This is the way of things now until a safe widespread vaccine is made available. People need to just grow up and get used to it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Open the pubs?


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