Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Two aspects which need to be addressed immediately:

1. NPHET meetings should be in public especially as they Already engage in PR and off record briefings. What they are recommending has many implications for citizens and transparency in respect to this is critical.

2. Any comparisons between case numbers in March and April and now need to cease immediately. They are not comparing like with like.

No deaths reported today.
Yet lockdown proposed?
I just feel so sorry for all of the small and medium business out there, they've done nothing wrong and spent thousands in some cases on perplex screens, sanitiser etc.
Covid isn't being spread in zara or penny's it through house parties, just drive though estates during the weekend and you'll see people carrying boxes of alcohol clearly heading to parties. Once again young people will suffer the financial consequences of this down the line

niallo27 wrote: »

If 40% are high risk then why haven't 40% of our cases so far resulted in serious illness or death. Or even 20% or even 10%

COVID really is where logic goes to die.

This is like saying why do people who don't eat peanuts not get peanut allergies. The high risk folk have largely avoided the illness in the first place. The vast majority likely are doing their utmost to avoid getting COVID in the first place. There will be exceptions of course. But most of them have since early Feb/March taking proactive action to avoid contracting the illness. Problem is the higher the virus is in the community the harder it is for these groups to avoid the virus.

I think looking at the measures it will be level 4 which isnt too much difference to current level 3 but crucially no household visits

I've no problem with Level 5 if that is what is required, and all the "patriots" who can't even be bothered to wear a mask should go f**k off.

What I do have a huge problem is with is jumping from Level 2 to Level 5 out of the blue. If that is the recommendation, someone has completely messed up by not preparing the public for this news. No-one was expecting Level 5. It's not fair on business, it's not fair on people who are already struggling with their mental health, and it frightens people.

I can see it now

Liveline 5th Oct, 2020


Joe: On line one we have Jacinta, Jacinta how are you? Now you don't want the new restrictions? Tell me why...

Jacinta: Howiyeh Joe, Joe come here listen to me, i'm not accepting another lockdown Joe no way, the government are killing us Joe, we have to stand up for our rights Joe...


Liveline 5th Nov, 2020


Joe: On line one we have Jacinta, Jacinta how are you?

Jacinta: Howiyeh Joe, come here me 50 year old granny is in the hospital with the COVID, the government are granny killers Joe, they should have had the place closed down, it's disgraceful Joe

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1312841969480200192

I fecking hate her.
She doesn't half talk a lot of nonsense

Does she even work in a hospital?

They're going for 5 and will accept 3.

No matter how stupid this government is they won't cripple the economy a second time around.

Im totally pulling this out of my arse btw

Gruffalux wrote: »

When it got to 50 cases a day lots on here said it will stabilise at that. When it was 100 we would just have to wait for the meat plants to wash through. When it was 200, 300 they were outliers and a bit of fiddling at the edges of restrictions would bring it back down. When we get 400 at least its not 600. And on. Experts thinking virus replicates without hosts. It will probably be some kind of political compromise - level 3 and 4 for now. And we will limp on surely to level 5. It is not being mean and heartless to say that. We lose most of our household income when there is lockdown. But it is a fecking pandemic that has left places that did not try hard to control it in tatters. There must be strong data indications we do not know about.

Then it would be great if they were to share them with the people that are affected by these measures.

We are almost in the top 20 for deaths, lets not pretend their actions to date have been remarkable.

Turtwig wrote: »

COVID really is where logic goes to die.

This is like saying why do people who don't eat peanuts not get peanut allergies. The high risk folk have largely avoided the illness in the first place. The vast majority likely are doing their utmost to avoid getting COVID in the first place. There will be exceptions of course. But most of them have since early Feb/March taking proactive action to avoid contracting the illness. Problem is the higher the virus is in the community the harder it is for these groups to avoid the virus.

I would agree with this if it was 10% or 15% but your telling that 40% of the population have been able to avoid this. 40% high risk just does not make sense.

Happydays2020 wrote: »

2. Any comparisons between case numbers in March and April and now need to cease immediately. They are not comparing like with like.

In March / April, the HSE took over the private hospitals. We don't have that now.
In March / April, the hospitals stopped dealing with most other non emergency cases. We aren't doing that now.

You're right - we aren't comparing like with like.

NPHET knows the situation with capacity within the hospitals.
The problem isn't the virus itself, it's the tipping point that it creates for everything else within the health services in this country.

Once we have to postpone electives and cancel screening programs again we are going to push that mounting problem even further down the road leading to serious amounts of deaths.

This new 5 level plan doesn't state where they stand on keeping electives and screening open in a lockdown scenario though...




Personally I'd be an advocate for shielding rather than levels of restrictions.
Facilitate the people in real need and let the rest carry on until herd exposure/immunity.
I don't think hospital levels would ever get to that critical high in such a scenario.

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think looking at the measures it will be level 4 which isnt too much difference to current level 3 but crucially no household visits

All non essential retail closed in L4.
No sports no gyms.
Thats pretty big difference.