Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Kermit.de.frog · 04-10-2020 09:42PM

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Gruffalux · 04-10-2020 09:42PM

When it got to 50 cases a day lots on here said it will stabilise at that. When it was 100 we would just have to wait for the meat plants to wash through. When it was 200, 300 they were outliers and a bit of fiddling at the edges of restrictions would bring it back down. When we get 400 at least its not 600. And on. Experts thinking virus replicates without hosts. It will probably be some kind of political compromise - level 3 and 4 for now. And we will limp on surely to level 5. It is not being mean and heartless to say that. We lose most of our household income when there is lockdown. But it is a fecking pandemic that has left places that did not try hard to control it in tatters. There must be strong data indications we do not know about.

Kermit.de.frog · 04-10-2020 09:42PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

FFFG have abdicated decision making to The NPHET all through this crisis and will continue to do so.
Tomorrow will be a national level 4

Level 5 will come at the mid-term.

No one in Government will stand up to them, not turncoat Donelly, Spineless Martin, sleepy Ryan or spin Dr. Leo.

So say they do "stand up" to them. This language bizarre - the health department only make recommendations, they are not the government.

You'll be fully on board then to condemn the government when it's 2,000 cases and 100 deaths a day?

Will you be condemning the government for not following the advice at that point?

Of course

manniot2 · 04-10-2020 09:43PM

How does anybody with a brain think that a month of level 5 will save Xmas? Seriously what the fook do ye think will happen when we open again in November?

is_that_so · 04-10-2020 09:43PM

wes wrote: »

Then people will have a much longer and harsher lockdown later then.

There is no harsher lockdown, Level 5 is March all over again. They're also human and they can't all be heroes like you.

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 09:44PM

Some of the posts in here belong in the conspiracy theories forum. Laughable stuff.

iamwhoiam · 04-10-2020 09:44PM

sideswipe wrote: »

Scandalous that this has been announced before discussions have taken place between Nphet and the government.

If they believe we should go to level 5 recommend it and have the government announce their decision. The leaked reports are seriously damaging ****ing with peopl

I am not an anxious person , but tonight I feel my anxiety levels rising and I feel uneasy and worried

04-10-2020 09:44PM

Parts of New York are placed back in lockdown
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/04/nyregion/nyc-covid-shutdown-zip-codes.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

Tenzor07 · 04-10-2020 09:45PM

Turtwig wrote: »

I've seen this point made a lot. What would you have done different that they didn't do? More to the point, how much capacity can be built into the Healthcare system in less than a year to handle an illness like COVID as well as provide other normal services. Can you even train the required extra staff to the sufficent level and skillset in such a time frame?

How about everything?

We locked down out of fear from the North Italy pictures, we were told it was to "flatten the curve" we as a society did that... We stayed home, we washed our hands, only went out for groceries, we masked up.... The curve was flattened..
What more do you want us to do? We've given everything we were asked.. now they want to lock up the healthy again because of increased PCR positives?

cnocbui · 04-10-2020 09:45PM

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Absolutely shocking. Things are deteriorating across Europe.

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1312853183803256832

What's shocking is that anyone finds it shocking. The virus will run and was always going to. The idea of eliminating it via lockdowns makes Harry Potter look like non fiction.

The_Brood · 04-10-2020 09:45PM

Absolutely no. If they want to adapt a China plan total lockdown but with the promise life returns to normal after that - ok let's discuss.

But if this is another "let's punish all the businesses and destroy life completely, but not do it firmly enough and then just go back to square one" - no.

Basically they need to tell us the exact plan and why this time it will be different. If not - time for all our riot on the streets. Absolutely no way in hell should we accept this.

Wolf359f · 04-10-2020 09:45PM

Maybe the thinking is, cases are continuing to rise and despite the advise, some people are still not following it.
NPHET know eventually a lockdown will be needed, but the longer you wait to lockdown, the longer you need to lockdown for.
For most of the country going from 2-5 is just ridiculous. Maybe Tony got confused with the 5.5+ point plan? He wouldn't be the first!

TexasTornado · 04-10-2020 09:45PM

CNN reporting large parts of NY going back into lockdown due to massive rise in cases.

HBC08 · 04-10-2020 09:47PM

New Home wrote: »

Unless they want to scare people with a rumour about Level 5, so that a Level 3 or 4 will be accepted more readily...

This seems to be obviously whats going on.
NPHET say they want 5 and MM looks like he's taking a stand and insists on level 4.

Kh1993 · 04-10-2020 09:47PM

None of the “all in this together” wishy washy stuff this time around.

Barring a few on here, I haven’t heard anything supporting this proposed move. Work groups, FB, Twitter (which has a massive lockdown acceptance last time) all absolutely fuming.

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 09:47PM

This is only the beginning of the **** storm ahead.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 04-10-2020 09:47PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Its nobodies fault they have Covid

That isnâ€™t true for all of them. If they attended house parties, on the pier in Galway, didnâ€™t social distance at GAA matches (from some vids Iâ€™ve seen), then they are at fault. And other people will now suffer.

GooglePlus · 04-10-2020 09:47PM

This is only the beginning of the **** storm ahead.

gmisk · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

NoDrama wrote: »

Parts of New York are placed back in lockdown
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/04/nyregion/nyc-covid-shutdown-zip-codes.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

It's barely out of lockdown

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

Level 2,3,4,5 whatever.

If it ain't enforced just carry on folks.

SleetAndSnow · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1312856047506382849?s=20

I say its gonna be a level 4 country wide compromise.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312856632712466433?s=20

But as I said earlier it does seem like NPHET are basing it on future numbers and are trying to stop us going back to an April scenario.

Spanish Eyes · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

Level 2,3,4,5 whatever.

If it ain't enforced just carry on folks.

spookwoman · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

Does not bode well and may be an insight into an already struggling system.

Around 70 healthcare workers were given exemptions to return to work during the pandemic
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/around-70-healthcare-workers-were-given-exemptions-to-return-to-work-during-the-pandemic-39585817.html

Plumbthedepths · 04-10-2020 09:48PM

delly wrote: »

A lot if people feel they are being punished for the other half of the country not adhering and you're probably right, I know many people not following the guidelines, making multiple trips to retail and hospitality locations, seeing multiple people, it's all about personal responsibility tbh.

Yes, I'll happily take level 5, as I'm already living a level 5 life, with vulnerable members in the home. I've had no one in our house since March and in the last month I've only had contact with two other people for essential purposes, along with one trip to a post office, again, an essential trip. I should have added all of this to my earlier post welcoming back Tony.

In short.
'i'm locked down so happy for everyone else to be so too'

04-10-2020 09:48PM

The current 5 level model was drawn up with a view to living with the virus for at least the next 6 months. Jumping nationwide from level 2 to 5 isn't exactly living with the virus.

Surely there must be a compromise in between, like maybe temporarily outlawing mass demonstrations like the one yesterday.

Tenzor07 · 04-10-2020 09:49PM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You'll be fully on board then to condemn the government when it's 2,000 cases and 100 deaths a day?

Which mathematical model are you using to predict 100 deaths a day when the curve has been flat for the past 3 months?
Never mind the 2,000 cases per day..

Please enlighten us Professor Frog?

niallo27 · 04-10-2020 09:49PM

titan18 wrote: »

There's no economy in a shielding scenario. HSE estimated 40% of country are in a high risk scenario and that's not including people living with those in that scenario. It's a pipedream

If 40% are high risk then why haven't 40% of our cases so far resulted in serious illness or death. Or even 20% or even 10%

ACitizenErased · 04-10-2020 09:49PM

NPHET should not be playing politics, and they are.

Skid X · 04-10-2020 09:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no horsetrading with trying to ensure hospitals are not over run.

If the hospitals were in danger of being overrun (which they are not), then why were NPHET leaving most of the country at level 2 until now?

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1312850962457989127

Sierra Oscar · 04-10-2020 09:50PM

HBC08 wrote: »

This seems to be obviously whats going on.
NPHET say they want 5 and MM looks like he's taking a stand and insists on level 4.

It probably is what will end up happening but I wouldn't necessarily dismiss the notion that NPHET think level 5 restrictions are necessary. We might not like NPHET, but they aren't doing it for the crack. The Government will be hammered if they fail to go for a short level 5 move soon resulting in a much more protracted level 5 move down the line.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312856632712466433

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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