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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #7832
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1312841969480200192


  • #7833
    Gods Gift
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Boards must have a temperature.


  • #7834
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,875 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A lobby group has basically threatened the government to shut the country down. There are times when you have to defend the motherland.

    They want to usurp out way of life to theirs. This is a Coup attempt. Defend the motherland. Through ALL means necessary

    Steady on there.

    Where’s the threat?

    What exactly is “their” way of life?


  • #7835
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A lobby group has basically threatened the government to shut the country down. There are times when you have to defend the motherland.

    They want to usurp out way of life to theirs. This is a Coup attempt. Defend the motherland. Through ALL means necessary

    Conspiracy forum is this way ----> here


  • #7836
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Downlinz wrote: »
    If another lockdown is to happen then it's better we do it soon and bring cases down quickly as we did before, we might even be able to enjoy the few months around christmas with some sense of normality then.

    The worst case scenario would be a slow creep up through the phases over the next few months inevitably stretching towards level 5.

    Couldn't agree more. We might just be able to salvage Christmas, if we get our act together. Other countries have done a far better job of this, so time to start emulating them.


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  • #7837
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    And and an an echo


  • #7838
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,985 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Personally, I am not interested in locking down again.


  • #7839
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Do people not realize that suppressing and rapid testing is our only way out of this . No society is functioning with high levels of transmission. The ones that are have the virus suppressed at extremely low levels. We need a plan that involves much more efficient testing and tracing and greater surveillance of the virus at airports. The alternative of living with high transmission rates will lead to society as we know it falling apart.
    Their is a reason every country is now doing this. Immunity is much more complex than just being immune from infection again. People on here acting like Ireland is the outlier compared to every other country. People need to start taking the virus seriously rather than playing some pathetic blame game yet again. Iv noticed the posters on here who are much more knowledgeable about the virus have a similar view


  • #7840
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The Gov, Nphet whatever can decide on Level 5. But who will enforce it? Genuine question.

    The after hours mods have been training their whole lives for this...


  • #7841
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,833 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    22,000 cases in the UK today of which 15,000 are backlogged

    Absolutely shocking. Things are deteriorating across Europe.

    https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1312853183803256832


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  • #7842
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The Gov, Nphet whatever can decide on Level 5. But who will enforce it? Genuine question.

    The after hours mods have been training their whole lives for this...


  • #7843
    worlds goodest teecher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭worlds goodest teecher


    If there was a move to L5 would the private hospitals remain open as private hospitals?


  • #7844
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    A lobby group has basically threatened the government to shut the country down. There are times when you have to defend the motherland.

    They want to usurp out way of life to theirs. This is a Coup attempt. Defend the motherland. Through ALL means necessary

    This is pure nonsense and you should be ashamed.

    1) They're no a lobby group.
    2) They haven't threatened anyone.
    3) Level 5 is not shutting the country down, EG schools remain open.
    4) No idea what the usurp comment is supposed to mean.
    5) A coup attempt would involve someone other than the legitimate government saying that they're the government now. Nobody has done this.
    6) The rest is dangerous nonsense and could be interpreted as call to violence. You need to have a long hard think on what you're about here.


  • #7845
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    A lot if people feel they are being punished for the other half of the country not adhering and you're probably right, I know many people not following the guidelines, making multiple trips to retail and hospitality locations, seeing multiple people, it's all about personal responsibility tbh.

    Yes, I'll happily take level 5, as I'm already living a level 5 life, with vulnerable members in the home. I've had no one in our house since March and in the last month I've only had contact with two other people for essential purposes, along with one trip to a post office, again, an essential trip. I should have added all of this to my earlier post welcoming back Tony.


  • #7846
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,801 ✭✭✭Benimar


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1312841969480200192

    Whilst I don’t agree with a level 5 I’d agree to someone putting a shield around that weapon.


  • #7847
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,817 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    I believe they recommended it to try and avoid an April scenario where we had around 5000 cases a day (didn't get them all) which led to a higher hospitalisation ratio. By locking down earlier they avoid having to have a 3 month lockdown or more and possibly have some sort of Christmas? I don't think people realise if we had the level of testing we do today back in April we would have 5-6k cases a day

    However, I do not agree with how they are going about it. Notice is required to allowed businesses to prepare and possibly adapt yet again if possible as they have done in the past. Going full out is not the way to do it. But saying NPHET are trying to purposely destroy the country? If you think that, I think you also need to have your head checked, same as if you are pro lockdown within 12 hours notice type of person


  • #7848
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Scandalous that this has been announced before discussions have taken place between Nphet and the government.

    If they believe we should go to level 5 recommend it and have the government announce their decision. The leaked reports are seriously damaging ****ing with peopl


  • #7849
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Cilldara_2000 wrote: »
    This is pure nonsense and you should be ashamed.

    1) They're no a lobby group.
    2) They haven't threatened anyone.
    3) Level 5 is not shutting the country down, EG schools remain open.
    4) No idea what the usurp comment is supposed to mean.
    5) A coup attempt would involve someone other than the legitimate government saying that they're the government now. Nobody has done this.
    6) The rest is dangerous nonsense and could be interpreted as call to violence. You need to have a long hard think on what you're about here.

    So Ikea is closed down but a packed classroom remains open?


  • #7850
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,938 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    FFFG have abdicated decision making to The NPHET all through this crisis and will continue to do so.
    Tomorrow will be a national level 4

    Level 5 will come at the mid-term.

    No one in Government will stand up to them, not turncoat Donelly, Spineless Martin, sleepy Ryan or spin Dr. Leo.


  • #7851
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The underlying issue here is we have a barely functioning health service, in which they twiddled their thumbs around for the last 6 months.

    I've seen this point made a lot. What would you have done different that they didn't do? More to the point, how much capacity can be built into the Healthcare system in less than a year to handle an illness like COVID as well as provide other normal services. Can you even train the required extra staff to the sufficent level and skillset in such a time frame?


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  • #7852
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The underlying issue here is we have a barely functioning health service, in which they twiddled their thumbs around for the last 6 months.

    I've seen this point made a lot. What would you have done different that they didn't do? More to the point, how much capacity can be built into the Healthcare system in less than a year to handle an illness like COVID as well as provide other normal services. Can you even train the required extra staff to the sufficent level and skillset in such a time frame?


  • #7853
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There is no point trying to implement a level that they will very hard pushed to get people to follow. This is not March and the manner of the decision making of this will make it very hard for the government to enforce.

    Then people will have a much longer and harsher lockdown later then.


  • #7854
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Scandalous that this has been announced before discussions have taken place between Nphet and the government.

    If they believe we should go to level 5 recommend it and have the government announce their decision. The leaked reports are seriously damaging ****ing with peopl


  • #7855
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Scandalous that this has been announced before discussions have taken place between Nphet and the government.

    If they believe we should go to level 5 recommend it and have the government announce their decision. The leaked reports are seriously damaging ****ing with peopl


  • #7856
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Can someone who has a massive horn about going into a new lockdown tell me what happens if an effective vaccine never comes? Please


  • #7857
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Live pictures of Tony when he came back and saw Fianna Fails 5 level plan:

    tenor.gif


  • #7858
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,979 ✭✭✭plodder


    ongarite wrote: »
    Problem is the government has fully accepted every NPHET recommendation so far.

    If they shut down construction again, I can see many companies pulling the plug on big expansion projects that are in progress.
    Intel in particular are in the middle of biggest ever building project in this country. The last shutdown cost them 3 months delay which will cause delay on new products reaching the market.
    Shutting down construction would be disastrous and not worth it.

    Shutting down non essential businesses generally would also be disastrous. I think the government should just tell NPHET to come back with more specific targeted restrictions in the areas that need it most, and if necessary impose travel restrictions on a regional basis.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • #7859
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,080 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/ciarakellydoc/status/1312841969480200192

    There's no economy in a shielding scenario. HSE estimated 40% of country are in a high risk scenario and that's not including people living with those in that scenario. It's a pipedream


  • #7860
    Cilldara_2000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Cilldara_2000


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So Ikea is closed down but a packed classroom remains open?

    Why is this question addressed at me?

    But anyway yes. There's far more votes in keeping schools open than keeping Ikea open. Also, a school isn't randomers mixing like Ikea is.


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  • #7861
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,440 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Scandalous that this has been announced before discussions have taken place between Nphet and the government.

    If they believe we should go to level 5 recommend it and have the government announce their decision. The leaked reports are seriously ****ing with people.


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