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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭rooney30


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Not at all, the first one took me to places I never thought I could go mentally so I'm not looking forward to another one at all, especially in the winter.

    I'd rather be mentally prepared for another one instead of just denying the possibility but whatever works for you..


    Really ? We were asked to stay at home and work from home if non essential . It wasn’t that hard . Sure it was tough on people who lost jobs / were worried for their business and the elderly who were isolated .
    Not buying into half of this mental health crap that’s being bandied about . You’d swear we had all been conscripted to fight a world war and sent to the front line


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    US2 wrote: »
    Is it true that the legislation for mandatory mask wearing expires tonight ?

    Yup it does. Only need a signature to extend it though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    arctictree wrote: »
    I think what annoys a lot of people is that the people making the decisions are taking no personal financial hit whatsoever. And a lot of people are taking a disproportionate amount of the pain.

    Our leadership and our experts need to be secure in the knowledge that they will be generously looked after financially No Matter What. That way they can focus on running the country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I think what annoys a lot of people is that the people making the decisions are taking no personal financial hit whatsoever. And a lot of people are taking a disproportionate amount of the pain.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 165 ✭✭Hand in Your Pants


    Makes me laugh the way some people are so enthused with the idea of police or military persons patrolling the streets with sniffer dogs seeking out the infected.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    Because the majority of deaths are in those who have already surpassed the average life expectancy and thats not the narrative they want.
    ‘Though most of those victims have been older than 65, the number of deaths among Europeans aged 45-64 was 40% higher than usual in early April.’

    Quoted from The Economist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    Makes me laugh the way some people are so enthused with the idea of police or military persons patrolling the streets with sniffer dogs seeking out the infected.

    It would be great to see. People in military gear going around with German Shepherds. The intimidation factor alone would keep the plebs in line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Makes me laugh the way some people are so enthused with the idea of police or military persons patrolling the streets with sniffer dogs seeking out the infected.

    Probably easier get a vaccine than train the amount of dogs needed


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    Where is going into 2nd lockdown as we speak?

    I've seen people saying Madrid for example, thats not a harsh lockdown, its a mix of the measures we already have plus a 10pm closing for bars and restaurants.

    I'm pretty sure people can't leave their locality in Madrid, unless for essential travel. Israel went full lockdown also.

    Many EU countries are doing a tiered system like ourselves and it doesn't seem to be having much of an impact on numbers.

    My concern is that it's still very early days and that we may not have a choice but to have tighter restrictions in place if hospitals start coming under pressure. The high cases coming in now will only hit the hospitals in two weeks or so.

    It could go either way but I definitely wouldn't be writing off the possibility of a lockdown.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,979 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    TTLF wrote: »
    Currently all College courses are online from what I know of?
    I'm not sure if that changes from Monday however.

    They aren't all online. Practical labs and things that can't be done online are still in place. I know I've seen students in the building I work in as late as last week. All masked up, but still attending some lectures.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 716 ✭✭✭Paddygreen


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure people can't leave their locality in Madrid, unless for essential travel. Israel went full lockdown also.

    Many EU countries are doing a tiered system like ourselves and it doesn't seem to be having much of an impact on numbers.

    My concern is that it's still very early days and that we may not have a choice but to have tighter restrictions in place if hospitals start coming under pressure. The high cases coming in now will only hit the hospitals in two weeks or so.

    It could go either way but I definitely wouldn't be writing off the possibility of a lockdown.

    Some say there wouldn’t be a functioning economy left after another full lockdown. Those people are selfish. Even if we go back to 1950s levels of poverty and economic stagnation it will be worth it if we defeat Covid19.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    US2 wrote: »
    They literally said if you have covid and are asymptomatic and fall off a ladder and die, it's a covid death. Pay no attention to these numbers, go and live your life. Covid is milder than flu for the vast majority of population.

    So why arent there more young deaths among our statistics? 1 in 5 deaths everyday is of somebody under 65. And as we know covid is now much more prominent among the young.If our means of reporting were so misleading we would surely be seeing at least a few healthy young asymptomatic 30 year olds who fell off ladders making up part of our crazy and misleading stas .Yet deaths under 65 make up a fraction of them, always have and continue to. But I guess actually considering the ridiculousness of this shows the inconsistencies in your conspiracy theories


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 651 ✭✭✭440Hertz


    I have to say say some of the experiences my family have been having with the HSE since COVID have been very mixed.

    I’ve a very independent elderly relative who is in a stable phase of a type of incurable but treatable cancer, but needs regular infusions of medication, which are being done off site now due to her being in the extremely high risk category for COVID and the hospital has had live cases. She has a weakened immune system and at huge risk if she gets it.

    The initial call she had back at the start of the lockdown was completely confusing. They first told her she would have to infuse herself at home. She said she physically couldn’t do that and it subsequently turned out that it was just someone talking out of turn / brainstorming on the phone with her.

    There was also a huge delay, where she got no treatment or contact for 7 weeks and she assumed they were “writing her off” and that she was just going to be left to die. We called them and they did have a vague plan in place, but the communication was non existent.

    She hasn’t seen a consultant face to face since January and is just going to an off site clinic where they are giving her an infusion of a particular drug (which to be fair to them is very effective and expensive) but she basically hasn’t spoken to anyone from the unit she attends in months.

    She has an appointment with the consultant coming up, but they don’t seem to tell her whether that is going to be in person or on the phone. The last time, she almost went into a busy Dublin hospital at peak COVID, as they wrote out to her and then didn’t contact her to tell her it was a phone call until the last minute. They currently can’t tell her if her appointment is in person or by phone a week but over a week ahead of it!?

    Then the other thing that has been shocking has been the people who drive her to the appointments, which I realise is a voluntary service and a very useful one, only began to wear masks in the last couple of months. They were turning up without masks and driving an immune suppressed 80+ year old around at peak Covid-19 - she was terrified and wore 3 masks over each other and gloves and used tons of hand sanitiser.

    I’m just very unimpressed and she’s afraid to complain as she’s afraid they might just see her as a problem and she would miss out on services, which is probably nonsense but that’s how she feels about it.

    The technology or medication access is good but the communication is bizarrely none existent. Even during normal times it was often very poor but you would think that the one thing they could do now is keep in touch with people and reassure them. Instead, it’s actually deteriorated to a level of contact that’s even worse than usual and they’re very very hard to contact.

    I’m also finding GP services an impossibility to reach. If you call her doctor almost at any time you get a recorded message asking you to hold the line and you often don’t get anyone at all. You could be calling for hours.

    I’ve had exactly the same experience with my own GP and we needed to speak to someone as someone in my household had COVID symptoms. It took 4 hours of redialing and holding to get through to the GP during normal hours!

    The test was booked and turned out negative and the HSE sent the results to the GP. We got no direct text from them and the GP had them for >24 hours before contacting us, causing an extra day of totally unnecessary self isolation for the people!

    All in all I think the healthcare “system” here is an absolute shambles.

    If they could just get the whole interaction with humans bit right it would be hugely beneficial!

    Most of the time I feel like I’m trying to deal with multiple people working in a coworker hub rather than a hospital. They don’t seem to interact with or communicate with each other either. Multiple parallel consultants and departments all barely communicating. It’s absolutely infuriating at times and we don’t complain because we know it’s never taken on board and I think most of our expectations are so low that we just put up with this stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,312 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Paddygreen wrote: »
    Some say there wouldn’t be a functioning economy left after another full lockdown. Those people are selfish. Even if we go back to 1950s levels of poverty and economic stagnation it will be worth it if we defeat Covid19.

    That opinion is fine if you are willing to take the hit yourself and live in poverty for the rest of your life.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭s1ippy


    Makes me laugh the way some people are so enthused with the idea of police or military persons patrolling the streets with sniffer dogs seeking out the infected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,526 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Because the majority of deaths are in those who have already surpassed the average life expectancy and thats not the narrative they want.

    Life expectancy at birth or life expectancy for their age attained?

    And what you are ignoring is how many people under 80 survived through hospitalisation... and what happens that cohort if hospital treatment capacity is exceeded.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    So why arent there more young deaths among our statistics? 1 in 5 deaths everyday is of somebody under 65. And as we know covid is now much more prominent among the young.If our means of reporting were so misleading we would surely be seeing at least a few healthy young asymptomatic 30 year olds who fell off ladders making up part of our crazy and misleading stas .Yet deaths under 65 make up a fraction of them, always have and continue to. But I guess actually considering the ridiculousness of this shows the inconsistencies in your conspiracy theories

    How is it a conspiracy theory? It's literally a fact! Watch this short video and apologise

    https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1311101789350096898?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    Where is going into 2nd lockdown as we speak?

    I've seen people saying Madrid for example, thats not a harsh lockdown, its a mix of the measures we already have plus a 10pm closing for bars and restaurants.

    FWIW 10pm closing in Spain would socially be the equivalent of around 7pm in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 92,394 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,009 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    FWIW 10pm closing in Spain would socially be the equivalent of around 7pm in Ireland.

    I dont follow??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    I dont follow??

    The go out a lot later in Spain. Usually finish up about 5 or 6 in the morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,279 ✭✭✭✭ArmaniJeanss


    I dont follow??

    I wasn't making a killer point or anything.
    Just that 10pm closing in Spain excludes the evening meal/drink visit to a bar/restaurant as they go out much later - as because of hot weather the working man traditionally works until 6.30/7PM before heading home.

    So it's effectively limiting bars/restaurants to daytime/lunchtime, much as if we shut ours around 7pm.

    Just an observation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    US2 wrote: »
    How is it a conspiracy theory? It's literally a fact! Watch this short video and apologise

    https://twitter.com/Niall_Boylan/status/1311101789350096898?s=19

    And you should watch your own video. Deaths where covid is not found to be the cause will be removed after a coroners report, hence denotifications


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,009 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Inquitus wrote: »
    Aye if you work in an office, and are working from home, nothing has changed except the home part. If you work in retail, hospitality etc. you are shafted. There is a clear divide there and that certainly impacts people's views on what action should be taken to contain Covid.

    Not forgetting those retired, with mortgages paid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat



    Bit misleading from IT. They plan to reopen early 2021 now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    80 infections acquired in hosptial by paitents in the last 2 weeks, 63 healthcare staff also.

    2 weeks previously it was 45 patients, so hosptial acquired almost double in 2 weeks.

    Reporting also seems a bit off, numbers aren't adding up.

    Past 2 days, Hospital admissions with COVID was 20 and discharges was 21. Net is -1

    Hospital covid cases on Friday was 117 and now it's 134 not 116 which suggests infection being acquired in hosptial maybe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭ongarite


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    And you should watch your own video. Deaths where covid is not found to be the cause will be removed after a coroners report, hence denotifications

    The point he is making is that the headline grabbing news will be that 10 people have died from COVID.
    They won't know that the person died from completely unrelated disease or accident & happened to have COVID at that time.

    You won't hear on the news that 8 cases were de-notified 3 months later because no-one cares or even knows what that means that means

    Edit:
    It the debate over whether people die FROM COVID or WITH COVID.


  • Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not forgetting those retired, with mortgages paid.

    You mean the people living on 248 a week who paid for your education, health care etc. Wasted money in some people's case.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,972 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    80 infections acquired in hosptial by paitents in the last 2 weeks, 63 healthcare staff also.

    2 weeks previously it was 45 patients.

    Reporting also seems a bit off, numbers aren't adding up.

    Past 2 days, Hospital admissions with COVID was 20 and discharges was 21. Net is -1

    Hospital covid cases on Friday was 117 and now it's 134 not 116 which suggests infection being acquired in hosptial maybe?

    Based on the daily report Letterkenny seems to be seeing big increases daily along with Tallaght. Everywhere is else relatively stable.


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