Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Goldrickssan wrote: »

wadacrack wrote: »

Not everything is about pubs. For some reason it ends up in every response about the impacts of lockdown though.

What I dont get is why people think there is a CHOICE.

Let the disease run riot and the mortality rate is horrific and the economy tanks ANYWAY.

Every single country that hasnt controlled the virus is also doing dreadfully economically too.

NO government wants lockdown. Nobody wants lockdown. We want a world pre pandemic.

Unfortunately, looking around the world, the only way to get back there is via virus control.

I love the sniffer dogs idea.

Planes, trains, buses, restaurents. Instant check and virus control as long as the dogs dont get it too.

And we are still coming to terms with the long term effects of this. It ages T cells. So, every time you get it, your immune system suffers a little more. Leaving you more open to other viruses cancers etc. Its one of the reasons its death rate increases with age.

It may turn out that the older of us, will have stronger immune systems in the next 10 years than kids who have been passing this virus back and forwards.
(Though childrens immune systems can recreate damaged cells) but this virus has HIV similarities in the way it infects us. Its NOT the same as it doesnt seem to replicate in the cell, but similar in mechanism.

One paper produced in march warning us it aged Tcells was pulled as it had been tested on lab Tcells not human. Same results now published on human cells. Awaiting peer review.

This is why govs have no choice but to proceed with caution. Because after your infected, 'we thought it was just the flu' doesnt cut it, if your immune system now comes from a bottle. We just dont know. And have to err on the side of caution.

Of course i think the 'its just the flu' brigade will eventually be right. When science has mastered the virus, when we have vaccinations, when we know how to treat it better. Then yes, it will be just the flu.Hopefully.

Sorry guys website wont let me delete 2nd post

8 of the deaths yesterday were from before September. Why are we only hearing about them now?

Micky 32 wrote: »

You really are hoping and itching for one aren’t you? It’s great that you won’t be financially hit by another lockdown i’m quite certain of that so i’m sure you’ll be grand i’m so happy about that. Enjoy the upcoming lockdown, hope you’ll enjoy it.

Not at all, the first one took me to places I never thought I could go mentally so I'm not looking forward to another one at all, especially in the winter.

I'd rather be mentally prepared for another one instead of just denying the possibility but whatever works for you..

Pauliedragon wrote: »

8 of the deaths yesterday were from before September. Why are we only hearing about them now?

Irish law has the responsibility for reporting deaths on the family and they have up to 3 months to do so.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yet if death is caused by an RTA/ house fire we are given the age and sex of the deceased.

as peter hitchens discovered when reading the SAGE minutes, people simply werent scared enough.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yes you made that point an hour ago. My wife is one of the hundreds of thousands who have had an investigatory procedure cancelled twice so far, all we can do is hope there's not some unseen disease destroying her from the inside.

I am (was) being out patient managed for two long term medical conditions - mostly they require at least annual reviews with consultants, or more direct interventions, if symptoms require.

I have had three consultant appointments cancelled for the last quarter of this year, with only one re-scheduled - to April of next year, the other two gave no indication of an alternative date. I have also had to push hard for a report on a scan undertaken in July - eventually receiving an un-scheduled phone call last week, while I was at work, where my condition was discussed with me, without any time for preparation on my part (my own file not to hand, no questions prepared) while I whispered in a corridor. I am still being sent for blood tests that were intended to be reference points for the consultant appointments that are now not going to happen - I can only hope that they will go somewhere for review, but my confidence in the health system administration at present is lowering by the day.

My wife also got a letter from a hospital cancelling a long awaited appointment and asking if she still thought she needed it - this despite the fact that the appointment was requested by her doctor - my wife is not qualified to make decisions on her condition. A response form was included, with a hospital addressed envelope, for returning - the 'lick and seal' type envelope. I wonder how many covid samples they got back in undertaking that exercise?

Just before the HSE winter plan was announced, I was told that the scan I was awaiting results of, had indicated I required surgery and I am now 'on the list' with the instruction to head to A&E if symptoms flare up in the meantime - no indication of when the op might be undertaken. It is not immediately life threatening, but the condition could have long term health implications and it would obviously be better to prevent the condition worsening rather than wait until emergency procedures are required. Early prevention was the original intention, but now delays and cancellations make an emergency response requirement, the more likely option.

It seems to me that the HSE winter plan was to clear the decks for incoming Covid cases and I get quite frustrated when I hear Paul Reid and Stephen Donnelly talk about working to keep non covid treatment aspects moving. That's certainly not my experience, or that of many others that I am in contact with - the amount of currently cancelled/delayed procedures and consultations is going to cost us all dearly.

I suspect that even Paul and Stephen, don't know how how bad the non covid treatment situation is.

Pauliedragon wrote: »

8 of the deaths yesterday were from before September. Why are we only hearing about them now?

A coroners report if needed can about six weeks and if it is complicated, it can take even longer. Even a in-house non-coroner directed post-mortem can take weeks.

Examination of tissues under microscopy may be needed and the processing of samples for this can take weeks even if no other samples were in the queue to be analysed as tissues might require staining and processing that needs time. Blood samples might also require further testing. Input might be needed from treating doctor and a histopathologist, etc.

All confirmed, suspected and possible cases of Covid are reportable to the district coroner so they have experienced an increased workload. Not all cases are subject to a post-mortem but each discussion and decision would eat into the coroners time and may be causing some delays in finalizing reports and hence adding to delays in notifications and denotifications.

mr zulu wrote: »

Why did they stop giving the age of deaths I wonder.

Because the majority of deaths are in those who have already surpassed the average life expectancy and thats not the narrative they want.

arctictree wrote: »

I think what annoys a lot of people is that the people making the decisions are taking no personal financial hit whatsoever. And a lot of people are taking a disproportionate amount of the pain.

You can say that again

manniot2 wrote: »

close down the country till 2022

L0L 2122 Maybe. We will be wearing masks forever. It will never go away you know, all the new rules will stay in place indefinitely. This is going to be like Brexit, Terrorism and Climate Change you guys, it is never ever ever going to go away. Life will never be the old normal again so fall in to line with our experts and leaders rules for the new normal, or the “next normal “ as RTE have started referring to it now.

mr zulu wrote: »

Why did they stop giving the age of deaths I wonder.

The the average age or deaths is now in the LATE 80s.

Is it true that the legislation for mandatory mask wearing expires tonight ?