Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

niamh247 · 03-10-2020 10:40PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You really need to look at the data.

Mind sharing the data or rationale you might have, to really look at?

What rationale/reasoning do you have, to show that there is no possibility of asymptomatic students spreading the infections?

Dayor Knight · 03-10-2020 10:41PM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sure. First it was tourists, then shops, then wet pubs now you blame schools.
Good stuff that there is always someone to blame...
Sorry but no rapture is coming. Life goes on.

Yes, life goes on, except for those for whom life doesn't go on. Good for you anyway. Do take care though.

Hand in Your Pants · 03-10-2020 10:44PM

froog wrote: »

fintan there's not many of the loons left in the "flu is worse than covid" camp. even trump has moved on from that.

Um yeah but no. The summer flu has killed more in Britain since July than Covid19. Sorry but the science and facts don't confirm your ideological position.

SEPT 23 1989 · 03-10-2020 10:45PM

Every parent knows that by the end of September every year a dose comes into the house once they go back to school

But we were told this thing was different and it wouldn't happen

But we all knew it would

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2020 10:45PM

Arghus wrote: »

Thread is unusually argumentative tonight.

A sure sign of increased uncertainty.

Indeed, uncertainty seems abound tonight. I feel there has been a tonal shift in the discourse tonight nationally. Everyone should do their best to keep cool but care. We've weathered the storm so far, we will continue to do so. The vaccine is the light at the end of the tunnel.

Beasty · 03-10-2020 10:46PM

Goldrickssan wrote: »

Large case increase yes but far far lower death and hospitalisation rates.

There are always significant time lags between symptoms, test results, hospitalisations and deaths. It has been highlighted throughout this virus

One very important difference from the early days is I'm pretty sure they are picking up a much larger proportion of positives than in the early days, when testing capacities were limited and those that did take place were targeted towards people more likely to suffer worse symptoms. Hence we probably will see higher positive tests while the more serious cases will be lower as a proportion of total cases than they were in the early days

TonyMaloney · 03-10-2020 10:54PM

Chris Christie has been hospital hospitalised

precautionary measure they're saying

EDit · 03-10-2020 10:55PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Um yeah but no. The summer flu has killed more in Britain since July than Covid19. Sorry but the science and facts don't confirm your ideological position.

Source?

FintanMcluskey · 03-10-2020 10:55PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Indeed, uncertainty seems abound tonight. I feel there has been a tonal shift in the discourse tonight nationally. Everyone should do their best to keep cool but care. We've weathered the storm so far, we will continue to do so. The vaccine is the light at the end of the tunnel.

The reality is that light has not switched on.

If it does switch on this year, it will be the fastest in history.

bb1234567 · 03-10-2020 10:58PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Um yeah but no. The summer flu has killed more in Britain since July than Covid19. Sorry but the science and facts don't confirm your ideological position.

Yes because of restrictions, you really had to reach there with the 'since July'. Now with resurgence since September 800 Brits have died of COVID during the month,how does this compare with flu for the month? Obviously it is quickly outpacing flu deaths when there is any kind of relaxation of means of stopping spread

wonski · 03-10-2020 11:01PM

Quick question.

From RTÉ report they say that the department has been notified of 10 deaths, but 8 of those occurred prior to September. One death was "Denotified" as well from the totals.

What kind of post mortem take over a month to conclude the reason.

The numbers are huge and not looking good for all of us...

If someone have an answer that would be great, because for me it makes no sense at all.

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 11:02PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Ok, here is the data for you to "really really look at"
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-54394199

What does Northumbria University have to do with Ireland?

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 11:03PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Mind sharing the data or rationale you might have, to really look at?

What rationale/reasoning do you have, to show that there is no possibility of asymptomatic students spreading the infections?

You can clearly see in the HPSC reports that the percentage of cases that are school related remains miniscule :rolleyes:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201002%20-%20website.pdf

Paddygreen · 03-10-2020 11:09PM

At least Dr Tony will be there to comfort us during the next full lockdown, he is like the nations favourite Uncle. Grim days ahead guys as the situation rapidly deteriorates into oblivion before our very eyes. I hope Anto and Deco at the bar are satisfied now.

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 11:10PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

At least Dr Tony will be there to comfort us during the next full lockdown, he is like the nations favourite Uncle. Grim days ahead guys as the situation rapidly deteriorated. I hope Anto and Deco at the bar are satisfied now.

He is very very very very very very far from the nation's favourite uncle

niamh247 · 03-10-2020 11:15PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

What does Northumbria University have to do with Ireland?

Virus might not be kind enough to give a special exemption to Ireland schools.

Arghus · 03-10-2020 11:16PM

Maestro85 wrote: »

Care to speculate on which counties? You have been fairly on the money with your previous analysis of the situation as it developed over the last few months.

I don't want to say I think this will definitely happen as things can take unexpected turns - but Cork and Kildare aren't looking too hot. Though it isn't always as cut and dried as it appears - Cork is a huge geographical area and we don't know even if a county is posting high-ish numbers what kind of pattern of spread is going on: maybe the cases are all linked and easily identified, maybe they are spread out and harder to get on top off.

I really couldn't tell you with any degree of confidence where we'll be a month from now, nobody here can, but the signs aren't looking particularly encouraging! I figure if things keep going as they are something will have to give eventually. I don't think we'll be back in a situation quite as dire as March and April, but there's a lot of factors that could make the next 2-3 months uniquely aggravating in their own right. Everyone is fatigued, that level of buy-in and togetherness isn't there, the prospect of living through a pandemic is perhaps easier when the days are lengthening and you can still be a bit hopefully naïve about it all - it's a different kettle of fish psychologically when it's dark, cold and miserable and you're in a grimmer re-run of what once was unprecedented. We'll have all the usual Winter complaints and the health system will still take its usual beating - but now with added Covid. I'm not a fortune teller, but I wouldn't say I'm all that optimistic about the coming Winter. I don't know about being bang on the money; I think I'm just stating the obvious here. Winter will be tough.

On a political level I think the sense of panic will begin to rise noticably from this week onwards.

hmmm · 03-10-2020 11:16PM

wonski wrote: »

If someone have an answer that would be great, because for me it makes no sense at all.

You have 3 months to register a death in Ireland. That may be the reason. It also explains why looking at deaths to measure whether we have the virus under control is a bad indicator to use - we'll have the virus under control even as deaths keep rising, but on the flipside deaths will remain low even as the virus begins to pick up speed.

bb1234567 · 03-10-2020 11:20PM

Hard to believe we are talking about this happening yet again, really is unbelievable, but Paris and several other French cities look to be going back into lockdown as limit of COVID cases has been surpassed

https://www.france24.com/en/video/20201002-paris-poised-for-tough-restrictions-as-maximum-covid-limits-surpassed

France has seen 500 deaths, 4000 hospitalisations and 850 ICU admissions in the last 7 days...equivalent of 43 new hospitalisations everyday here. A very bad situation in France. Thankfully looks like we are not on the same trajectory as the major Euro countries.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-new-daily-records-of-cases-for-britain-and-france-1.4371513

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 11:20PM

niamh247 wrote: »

Virus might not be kind enough to give a special exemption to Ireland schools.

So you have no evidence of large outbreaks in Irish schools? Thanks.

Goldengirl · 03-10-2020 11:21PM

Hand in Your Pants wrote: »

Um yeah but no. The summer flu has killed more in Britain since July than Covid19. Sorry but the science and facts don't confirm your ideological position.

Deaths from Covid in Britain are now 42317, sadly .
Maybe you could explain why you are picking one months figures ?
I suspect it suits your narrative .

Steve012 · 03-10-2020 11:24PM

I've little scientific knowledge of virus's. C19 Hits the lungs, + blood clots in lungs, passes the fatty brain barrier and can cause brain damage, it also seems to induce diabetes, races the heart pressure of top Ventricles (heart work a third more e.g) Kidney damage,

And some poor young fella on RTE who has to learn to walk again. etc.

Point being, will be one hell of a vaccine to really work.

Safety studies on Vac's take years we all know that,

niamh247 · 03-10-2020 11:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You can clearly see in the HPSC reports that the percentage of cases that are school related remains miniscule :rolleyes:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19_14_day_epidemiology_report_20201002%20-%20website.pdf

May be you should take a re-look at the report. More than 33% of the cases are under 24 years of age and the school children and school staff has a significant contribution to the cases (Ref: Bar Chart on Page 10)

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2020 11:25PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The reality is that light has not switched on.

If it does switch on this year, it will be the fastest in history.

I'm aware of this, hence the tunnel metaphor... we are still walking through the darkness of the tunnel to reach the light at the end...

If we can weather the winter, we can wait our the rest of 2021 until a vaccine comes, whether it's early, middle or late 2021. We've got this far. We will probably need to increase the restrictions and suffer socially for a while longer, but with every day that passes we are one step closer to the vaccine.

As a country, we are getting through this one day at a time. I've been posting on boards about Covid since it broke out in China and between the bad and the moderately optimistic, I've enjoyed sharing observations and offering commentary with the best boards has to offer. I know today has been sobering for a lot of people - let alone the madness in the US right now - but it's important to remember that there will be a quality of life after this, we will regain our previous standard of living and our ability to live our lives the way they were. And it's not too far away if we can keep ourselves from reaching a breaking point until then.

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2020 11:26PM

Steve012 wrote: »

I've little scientific knowledge of virus's.

Point being, will be one hell of a vaccine to really work.

If you have little scientific knowledge of viruses, you probably shouldn't be jumping to conclusions such as that.

Steve012 · 03-10-2020 11:27PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

If you have little scientific knowledge of viruses, you probably shouldn't be jumping to conclusions such as that.

Ah I was being bashful

Scuid Mhór · 03-10-2020 11:28PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

At least Dr Tony will be there to comfort us during the next full lockdown, he is like the nations favourite Uncle. Grim days ahead guys as the situation rapidly deteriorates into oblivion before our very eyes. I hope Anto and Deco at the bar are satisfied now.

This scaremongering is not at all constructive. We are nowhere near a point where giving up hope has become the optimal option.

FintanMcluskey · 03-10-2020 11:30PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Deaths from Covid in Britain are now 42317, sadly .
Maybe you could explain why you are picking one months figures ?
I suspect it suits your narrative .

Almost as bad as the 2014 Winter excess deaths in the UK

FintanMcluskey · 03-10-2020 11:31PM

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

This scaremongering is not at all constructive. We are nowhere near a point where giving up hope has become the optimal option.

Ah seriously, look who you are talking too

Widdensushi · 03-10-2020 11:31PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Every parent knows that by the end of September every year a dose comes into the house once they go back to school

But we were told this thing was different and it wouldn't happen

But we all knew it would

Who said it was different, the approach is living with covid, maximum exposure with minimal hospital cases

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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