Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Str8outtaWuhan · 03-10-2020 09:00PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

China hasn't been a communist state since the late 70s

They kept the name but dropped the ideology

must have forgotten the free and fair elections they had last year when Winne the poo got elected.

CruelSummer · 03-10-2020 09:00PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

The usual tactic used by the head in the sand merchants.

Yes. The best solution is for us all to put or heads in the sand indefinitely and lockdown to get to zero Covid. I’m sure it’s perfectly achievable given the situation in then North, U.K., and Europe. We are afterall an obscure Communist Tír na nÓg island State in the middle of the Atlantic.

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 09:01PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

China hasn't been a communist state since the late 70s

They kept the name but dropped the ideology

Ah yes I forgot that locking up Muslims is normal democratic protocol

TexasTornado · 03-10-2020 09:02PM

Posters attempting to downplay the seriousness of this killer virus are a disgrace. More than likely marching with the loons in Dublin today. At least their tin foil hats will have kept the rain off their heads.

Away With The Fairies · 03-10-2020 09:03PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Out of a population of 67,081,000.

What has any of this got to do with a thread about Ireland?

You're just throwing around numbers without context that in no way relates to the thread, you don't even comment on the figures. :rolleyes:

While Kermit was away, other posters posted cases from other countries. Why do you have an issue with Kermit? Should we ignore cases from the North as well?

Goldrickssan · 03-10-2020 09:04PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Posters attempting to downplay the seriousness of this killer virus are a disgrace. More than likely marching with the loons in Dublin today. At least their tin foil hats will have kept the rain off their heads.

Posters trying to inflate the seriousness of this virus are a disgrace also.

Jinglejangle69 · 03-10-2020 09:04PM

Am I right in thinking that 1000s of nurses etc came home and only 80 were employed at the start of the pandemic?

Could we not have spent big and built up our ICU numbers with all these staff?

6 months later and it's still all about the hospitals been overrun.

Hell even build a temporary hospital just for patients with covid who require ICU rooms.

What did the HSE actually do when we flattened the curve and gave them time to find a solution????

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 09:06PM

There was a 99% decrease in influenza detections in children in Western Australia, according to a new article in the Oxford University Press.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1475/5912591

Zebra3 · 03-10-2020 09:06PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

While Kermit was away, other posters posted cases from other countries. Why do you have an issue with Kermit? Should we ignore cases from the North as well?

I'm not on here 24/7.

Re the north, read the thread title. :rolleyes:

bb1234567 · 03-10-2020 09:07PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Out of a population of 67,081,000.

What has any of this got to do with a thread about Ireland?

You're just throwing around numbers without context that in no way relates to the thread, you don't even comment on the figures. :rolleyes:

Well the thread is not necessarily only about Ireland to be fair. Of course international events are discussed here and also and are relevant even more so now as travelling is becoming more common place.

Away With The Fairies · 03-10-2020 09:08PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm not on here 24/7.

Re the north, read the thread title. :rolleyes:

I have read the thread title and there's talk of other countries in this thread, not just Ireland or the North. So why do you have an issue with France?

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 09:09PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Let's fight Covid not each other

The cases were baked into the cake so I’m zero surprised. I’m genuinely scared the way the country is going.

We need to stand together if we face any hope of not facing maximum economic and health damage. Unfortunately there are lots of angry people and people are entitled to protest. We have been less than transparent with the facts of this throughout and ideas have festered in the vacuum. We need real leadership and we need to be real with people. Gov needs to stop mollycoddling society and grow a pair.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-10-2020 09:10PM

As with everywhere else in Europe Italy's spread continues to accelerate and it reports 2,844 new cases and 27 new deaths, highest number of new cases since April 28th.

Northern Italy suffered a dreadful toll in the first outbreak. The govt is to bring in compulsory mask wearing in public.

John O.Groats · 03-10-2020 09:11PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well the thread is not necessarily only about Ireland to be fair. Of course international events are discussed here and also and are relevant even more so now as travelling is becoming more common place.

This thread never has been exclusively about the situation in Ireland. Much as some might like to pretend that it has been.

Golfman64 · 03-10-2020 09:11PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

We will be locked down before the Halloween midterm. Families will have breaks booked all over the country and even abroad, they will decide to stop that.

The common EU travel policy is due to be enacted by mid October. This will enable free travel between EU states in Green and Amber status without restrictions. Those classified as Red will likely require a test pre/post departure so travel should become more normalised again with at least some semblance of predictability.

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 09:11PM

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

must have forgotten the free and fair elections they had last year when Winne the poo got elected.

Add the US to that? Google the US electoral system. Doesn’t look very democratic.

ChikiChiki · 03-10-2020 09:11PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Posters attempting to downplay the seriousness of this killer virus are a disgrace. More than likely marching with the loons in Dublin today. At least their tin foil hats will have kept the rain off their heads.

Problem is texas the ****e they are consuming online is backing their beliefs. Facebook are a huge issue in the midst of this pandemic.

I've noticed a lot of people who previously I would have not associated with these lunatics are now in the anti mask brigade. I guess with so much uncertainty around a lot of people are beginning to lose their grip on reality or even their capability to make unbiased objective observations on what is actually real.

What Username Guidelines · 03-10-2020 09:12PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There was a 99% decrease in influenza detections in children in Western Australia, according to a new article in the Oxford University Press.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1475/5912591

This could be very good or very bad news. Good in that the flu may not circulate well here due to hand washing and measures, and due to it not being imported from the Southern Hemisphere as it usually is.

Bad, potentially, because if some theories are to be believed, countries experiencing high death tolls from covid had mild flu seasons in 2019, so the “dry tinder” or number of susceptible people is far higher.

Who knows how it will go down. But let’s say we nuke covid with a vaccine next summer and manage to save lots of lives at the same time from flu. Will the following flu season set off alarm bells as the deaths double, and governments overreact without looking at bigger picture or context.

Widdensushi · 03-10-2020 09:14PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Out of a population of 67,081,000.

What has any of this got to do with a thread about Ireland?

You're just throwing around numbers without context that in no way relates to the thread, you don't even comment on the figures. :rolleyes:

It's very relevant, thanks kermit for that, it shows perspective,also how low the deaths are to the amount of cases compared to a few months ago is interesting

odyssey06 · 03-10-2020 09:14PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Am I right in thinking that 1000s of nurses etc came home and only 80 were employed at the start of the pandemic?
Could we not have spent big and built up our ICU numbers with all these staff?
6 months later and it's still all about the hospitals been overrun.
Hell even build a temporary hospital just for patients with covid who require ICU rooms.
What did the HSE actually do when we flattened the curve and gave them time to find a solution????

Re-bumping this info on ICu capacity...

https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-nu...17685-Sep2020/

Pre-Covid capacity: 225
Temporary surge capacity: 354
Current permanent capacity: 280
Capacity after Winter Plan funding: 297

Inquitus · 03-10-2020 09:15PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

The common EU travel policy is due to be enacted by mid October. This will enable free travel between EU states in Green and Amber status without restrictions. Those classified as Red will likely require a test pre/post departure so travel should become more normalised again with at least some semblance of predictability.

We are a red country, positivity rate > 3% and incidence greater than 50/100000, so you would need a PCR test at @€;200 a pop to travel once that is introduced, unless things get better.

spookwoman · 03-10-2020 09:15PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well that's up to you but you can go and see them.

So your trying to wish restrictions onto everyone else because you haven't done something you can do.

Its as safe or as dangerous as you make it.

Isn't that what others are doing as well. want restrictions lifted and everything to go back to "normal" because they want to do stuff.

03-10-2020 09:16PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

There was a 99% decrease in influenza detections in children in Western Australia, according to a new article in the Oxford University Press.

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/cid/ciaa1475/5912591

That's good but their schools were closed for the first month of their flu season, and they have continued travel restrictions even for internal travel. I'd be hopeful we will have a very mild flu season but there are some things we could do better. The UK contact all at risk folk and offer a flu jab appointment. We leave people to their own devices and have already had a delay in the roll out this year.

JP Liz V1 · 03-10-2020 09:16PM

Europe on a major second wave, large cases increase

CruelSummer · 03-10-2020 09:16PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Posters attempting to downplay the seriousness of this killer virus are a disgrace. More than likely marching with the loons in Dublin today. At least their tin foil hats will have kept the rain off their heads.

That’s true, posters calling for army, water canons, etc are totally sane. But anyone who disagrees with the narrative and questions our strategy needs to be firmly called ‘tin foil hatter’ quick as we’ve no other data or proper contribution to offer in terms of debating a way forward.

Goldrickssan · 03-10-2020 09:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Europe on a major second wave, large cases increase

Large case increase yes but far far lower death and hospitalisation rates.

froog · 03-10-2020 09:19PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

This could be very good or very bad news. Good in that the flu may not circulate well here due to hand washing and measures, and due to it not being imported from the Southern Hemisphere as it usually is.

Bad, potentially, because if some theories are to be believed, countries experiencing high death tolls from covid had mild flu seasons in 2019, so the “dry tinder” or number of susceptible people is far higher.

Who knows how it will go down. But let’s say we nuke covid with a vaccine next summer and manage to save lots of lives at the same time from flu. Will the following flu season set off alarm bells as the deaths double, and governments overreact without looking at bigger picture or context.

well we have a flu vaccine every year that works pretty well and with a high uptake among seniors. i wouldn't be too worried about the flu.

Zebra3 · 03-10-2020 09:21PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well the thread is not necessarily only about Ireland to be fair. Of course international events are discussed here and also and are relevant even more so now as travelling is becoming more common place.

Throwing up foreign figures without context is not about discussion, pure scare mongering.

igCorcaigh · 03-10-2020 09:22PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Europe on a major second wave, large cases increase

Yes

Is it now that we say that the virus is moving through the population, as expected.

Hoping clinical capacity will be OK.

wadacrack · 03-10-2020 09:23PM

I criticized Kermit a number of mths ago when cases were very low. I naively thought we would not let cases grow and would be able to control the Ro as seen in Asia. Quickly realized when the its "only clusters" talk that we suppressed the virus for nothing essentially. He has been proven right and is probably posting European case counts as essentially a warning. He is probably worried about this Christmas. I know I am.Virus unlikely to affect me but to see it inflict ill health on so many others will be upsetting. We need a proper , sophisticated plan on how to live with this. But it seems that we may to wait for rapid testing and or vaccine . Educated people about the virus needs to ramped up.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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