Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-10-2020 07:56PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Which is probably why Leo and others are saying we should stop fixating on cases and look at hospitalisations and ICU entries.

Leo said we should look at deaths.

That's a complete fantasy as 3/4 of deaths reported today were from over a month ago.

We do look at verious metrics but I think the fact that people say deaths should be looked at is insane.

Arghus · 03-10-2020 07:56PM

We had a bit of a lull there for about a fortnight, with case numbers going up, but without much change in the narrative. It felt like a pause before the beginning of the next scene in the act.

Expect things to change during thia week or next. Level three is going to be on the cards for a few more counties and I think it's time for a bit more frankness from those in power about where we are heading.

CruelSummer · 03-10-2020 07:56PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Thanks Simon. I’ll stay safe thanks.
Please implement a policy that stops the spread and unnecessary deaths. For that to work you’d have to stop talking out of both sides of your mouth.

https://twitter.com/simonharristd/status/1312441248045645827?s=21

Yes let’s all hide under the bed again for 6 months, worked so well the first time. I stated on this thread at the start of level 3 for Dublin, they were a waste of time. They just put more people out of work, destroyed the economy and drove socialising underground. We need to reopen everything with regulations for the winter, allow society to function following the procedures re masks, social distancing, etc. There needs to be an information campaign for people re who is at a high risk of Covid. At the moment the ‘All in this together’ message has some over 65’s thinking they can take the same risks as younger people.
Contact tracing would be more efficient if socialising was regulated. It also allows society to function & jobs to be supported.

CiarraiManc · 03-10-2020 07:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And why haven't you seen any of them ?

Outdoors, 2m, masks etc take the precautions. I've been visiting family every few weeks keeping distance, mask on, hand hygiene etc

I'd rather not take the risk.

Zebra3 · 03-10-2020 07:57PM

dublinstudent. wrote: »

How?

You're putting the responsibility on everyone else.

He should wash his hands, wear a mask, limit his contacts, all the usual stuff that NPHET say.

landofthetree · 03-10-2020 07:57PM

polesheep wrote: »

So should the same apply to all the obese people who don't take their health seriously? Or all of the smokers whose habit makes them vulnerable to Covid?

No. It wouldn't be right.

But a large number of hospital cases are down to obesity,alcohol and smoking.

But if any politician came out and said that the mob would go crazy.

During lockdown Beaumont had a lot of alcohol related problems.

One in every five patients admitted to the critical care unit in Dublin’s Beaumont Hospital during the lockdown were there because of booze, a top medic has revealed.

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 07:57PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I'd rather not take the risk.

What part of outdoors, 2m and masks is risky

Inquitus · 03-10-2020 07:58PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Leo said we should look at deaths.

That's a complete fantasy as 3/4 of deaths reported today were from over a month ago.

We do look at verious metrics but I think the fact that people say deaths should be looked at is insane.

Only 39 critical care beds available in the country as of today, looks like with escalated cases we may have a problem shortly.

Figures last night from the HSE showed there are 234 critical care beds currently occupied, and there are 39 adult critical care beds available nationwide.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1003/1169176-covid-data-figures-ireland/

hynesie08 · 03-10-2020 07:58PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I'd rather not take the risk.

Then don't blame everyone else, isolate for 2 weeks, get a test, but it's not other people's fault.

ixoy · 03-10-2020 07:58PM

Arghus wrote: »

I think it's time for a bit more frankness from those in power about where we are heading.

At this point, it'd almost be better for the CMO to be a bit more blunt and just go "some of ye need to just cop the f**k on" on live TV.

stephenjmcd · 03-10-2020 07:59PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I'd rather not take the risk.

Well that's up to you but you can go and see them.

So your trying to wish restrictions onto everyone else because you haven't done something you can do.

Its as safe or as dangerous as you make it.

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 07:59PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Which is probably why Leo and others are saying we should stop fixating on cases and look at hospitalisations and ICU entries.

They’ll say don’t look at cases look at hospital numbers.
Then they’ll say don’t look at hospital numbers look at ICU.
Then they’ll say don’t look at ICU look at deaths.
Then they’ll say don’t look at deaths with Covid look at deaths where the person had no underlying conditions.

If we take those numbers out we are doing Quite well.

giveitholly · 03-10-2020 07:59PM

Arghus wrote: »

We had a bit of a lull there for about a fortnight, with case numbers going up, but without much change in the narrative. It felt like a pause before the beginning of the next scene in the act.

Expect things to change during thia week or next. Level three is going to be on the cards for a few more counties and I think it's time for a bit more frankness from those in power about where we are heading.

Will level 3 country wide have much of an effect? Can't see people's attitude changing if it just goes to level 3 and all you are doing is closing restaurants and pubs

s1ippy · 03-10-2020 07:59PM

Haha yer man is still there posting away all the livelong day despite deriding another poster for posting on a Saturday.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hard-times-ahead-unless-covid-19-policy-is-seriously-revamped-1.4370823

Paul Cullen has been talking a lot of sense lately about how to keep things open and ticking over while keeping cases down. A lack of oversight, training, money and people's apathy are huge contributors where there are outbreaks.

It doesn't keep when mental gymnastics are required to justify cases in certain settings not being outbreaks, teachers are being asked to delete the tracking app and the contact tracing still isn't up to scratch.

polesheep · 03-10-2020 08:00PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I'm just sick of the kid gloves bull**** in Ireland. The likes of China have a point. If people don't want to comply they should be made to

You're so quick with your responses I'm beginning to suspect that you are, in fact, two people... both attached to the same body.

firemansam4 · 03-10-2020 08:02PM

Maybe I'll get an infraction for saying this,

But seriously where are the mods on this forum?
There are certain posters coming out with some disgusting comments and I can only assume are just trolling at this stage. At least I hope they are because it's scary if some people really believed in some of the things they are posting.

polesheep · 03-10-2020 08:03PM

dublinstudent. wrote: »

This will go on and on. It also appears people can be reinfected. Hard to know where it will end.

Appears does not equal science.

CiarraiManc · 03-10-2020 08:03PM

firemansam4 wrote: »

Maybe I'll get an infraction for saying this,

But seriously where are the mods on this forum?
There are certain posters coming out with some disgusting comments and I can only assume are just trolling at this stage. At least I hope they are because it's scary if some people really believed in some of the things they are posting.

Can't debate so you go crying to the mods. Sorry for disturbing the circle jerk

Inquitus · 03-10-2020 08:03PM

polesheep wrote: »

Appears does not equal science.

Science is unequivocal either way on this matter at this point.

ACitizenErased · 03-10-2020 08:04PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

Can't debate so you go crying to the mods. Sorry for disturbing the circle jerk

Inciting violence is grand though

wadacrack · 03-10-2020 08:05PM

polesheep wrote: »

Yep. I've said it before, the government plan is "I hope when I wake up tomorrow that there is a vaccine".

Thats the plan in every Western country. Asia and Zero Covid is the model to follow. Hopefully it happens soon. Matter of time before governments realise its the only exit strategy viable

odyssey06 · 03-10-2020 08:05PM

Chicke wrote: »

Anyone know the point of the lockdown in March when we back to square one and on a journey to worse.Did we substantially improve capacity in hospital?Is our health system in a much bettee postlition than it was in March?Anyone know the improvements made?

Better but not much better in terms of ICU capacity.

More important is probably better understanding on use of ventilation, treatments like dexamethasone, use of masks.

https://www.thejournal.ie/icu-bed-numbers-5217685-Sep2020/

Pre-Covid capacity: 225
Temporary surge capacity: 354
Current permanent capacity: 280
Capacity after Winter Plan funding: 297

CruelSummer · 03-10-2020 08:05PM

Chicke wrote: »

Anyone know the point of the lockdown in March when we back to square one and on a journey to worse.Did we substantially improve capacity in hospital?Is our health system in a much bettee postlition than it was in March?Anyone know the improvements made?

Yes, zero improvements. They decided they’d do nothing with our HSE, Call for Ireland group of people who gave up their lives abroad to come
home, no increase in hospital capacity because they hired no extra staff, no offering anyone who came home any sort of proper HSE contract, nothing.
Same message though - ‘The next 10-14 days are critical, We are very concerned’.
I’ve repeatedly questioned where the data is re asymptomatic cases. How many of these hospitalisations are just people in for routine procedures in hospitals and are given a Covid test as per the rules, which tests positive. I’ve also repeatedly called for more data on why thousands of people were put out of work in Dublin and Donegal with no notice and how they came to that decision. How that will stop the spread of Covid 19, and what other group of experts besides Tunnel vision Covid Eradication NPHET contributed to that decision.
I also ask today, where is the data to support the continued closure of these businesses who spent thousands getting ready to reopen.
And finally, where is our Government? NPHET advises, the Government governs. At the moment,
NPHET meets, leaks to media, Governs and decides policy across all departments.

Sierra Oscar · 03-10-2020 08:05PM

stockshares wrote: »

His is this allowed . Total incompetence by Gov and Garda here.

https://twitter.com/TheGlutton/status/1312460958200070144?s=19

What do you expect the Gardaí to do exactly? Baton charge them off the street?

CiarraiManc · 03-10-2020 08:06PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Inciting violence is grand though

Keeping the peace and maintaining order is what I call it

niallo27 · 03-10-2020 08:06PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Thats the plan in every Western country. Asia and Zero Covid is the model to follow. Hopefully it happens soon. Matter of time before governments realise its the only exit strategy viable

We are following the Asian model, its just we are not as efficient as them at it.

Maestro85 · 03-10-2020 08:06PM

Arghus wrote: »

We had a bit of a lull there for about a fortnight, with case numbers going up, but without much change in the narrative. It felt like a pause before the beginning of the next scene in the act.

Expect things to change during thia week or next. Level three is going to be on the cards for a few more counties and I think it's time for a bit more frankness from those in power about where we are heading.

Care to speculate on which counties? You have been fairly on the money with your previous analysis of the situation as it developed over the last few months.

polesheep · 03-10-2020 08:06PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And why haven't you seen any of them ?

Outdoors, 2m, masks etc take the precautions. I've been visiting family every few weeks keeping distance, mask on, hand hygiene etc

For their own good I imagine. In case he runs over them with a tank.

Russman · 03-10-2020 08:06PM

You have to love the narrative with some people,
Global pandemic, probably a one in a hundred year event, starts to become inconvenient so people say “feck it I’ve had enough, let’s open everything”

Which no doubt will be twisted into “virus I have a 99 point whatever percent chance of surviving isn’t going to impact MY life, just lock up the vulnerable and carry on” - as if that’s even possible.

prunudo · 03-10-2020 08:07PM

Is there a full moon tonight, thread has gone full on bat**** crazy.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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