Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

FintanMcluskey · 03-10-2020 04:04PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I think the risk is well known..it's just, what do you about it? Usually obese people have very disfunctional attitudes toward food and it's something that's very difficult to change. They're not going to be able to just make it disappear in a few months so their COVID risk is lessened

It simply isnt well know.

If you think back to the earlier bank holiday weekends Gardai were assembled on well know outdoor natural recreational areas like Glendalough etc

The message was stay home save lives

None of the message was conducive to weight loss at any time.

Funsterdelux · 03-10-2020 04:04PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Have thought the same, People do not want to be accountable for amount of food they eat. Seems more important than ever to promote healthy eating. Covid not likely to be going away in Western countries for a good few years if ever

Its the elephant in the room

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 04:07PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Ohhhhhh I touched a nerve!!

Good man. Sorry can’t keep up stuffing my face with peanuts.
You accused me of trolling by posting a chart.
Ignorance is bliss I can see.
Put me on ignore and you won’t have to look at a ‘graph’.
Don’t back seat mod please.

Micky 32 · 03-10-2020 04:10PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

So you're a climate change denier too?

The climate change shyte forums are that way ————>

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 04:12PM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

Its the elephant in the room

I see what you did there.

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 04:13PM

Trump's doctor making an announcement soon.

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1312400864431140864?s=20

DeanAustin · 03-10-2020 04:14PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Well there's absolutely no chance we can move forward when some people will be holding us back.
We've been asked to reduce our social contacts, that message isn't getting through, so closing pubs/restaurants get to be the fall guy. Failing that, it was only when we had a lockdown that social contacts dropped right down.

There needs to be a balance, some of the public just can't accept that or just don't care!

The strategy won't work. We have a nation of 5m people. They won't all abide by the restrictions because they are unnatural and are negatively impacting the lives of people who are fairly low risk anyway. There is also no visible end to this without a vaccine. There is no end game because zero Covid is pretty much an impossibility and even if you get there, unless everyone else gets there it's pointless anyway unless you become North Korea.

There are no easy answers here, there's no perfect solution. But continuing the restrict people's lives indefinitely won't work in a nation of 5m people.

John O.Groats · 03-10-2020 04:14PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The climate change shyte forums are that way ————>

As is the echo chamber otherwise known as the restrictions thread.

ginoginelli · 03-10-2020 04:17PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Well there's absolutely no chance we can move forward when some people will be holding us back.
We've been asked to reduce our social contacts, that message isn't getting through, so closing pubs/restaurants get to be the fall guy. Failing that, it was only when we had a lockdown that social contacts dropped right down.

There needs to be a balance, some of the public just can't accept that or just don't care!

Bars and restaurants are a big part of the problem though. They are high risk, and have been demonstrated so in any other country that has adequate contact tracing.

Ficheall · 03-10-2020 04:23PM

Number of deaths as percentage of number of cases (seven-day averages for both) three weeks prior. (I believe that's supposed to be the average lag). Just looked at countries with highest number of cases (presumably more accurate) in Europe (presumably more reliable, but who knows). Obviously Ireland's numbers here were a little low to judge (thankfully), but it would seem 4 (1%) of yesterday's cases passing away within three weeks is not too wild an extrapolation.

Country #dOct2 #cSep12 #dSep26 #cSep5

France 71 of 8030 (0.88%) | 60 of 6454 (0.93%)
Russia 146 of 5293 (2.8%) | 127 of 4995 (2.5%)
UK 47 of 3001 (1.6%) | 30 of 1631 (1.8%)
Ukraine 62 of 2581 (2.4%) | 56 of 2402 (2.3%)
Netherlands 14 of 1022 (1.4%) | 13 of 605 (2.1%)
Czech of 16 of 1092 (1.5%) | 13 of 523 (2.5%)
Spain 122 of 10155 (1.2%) | 106 of 9314 (1.1%)
Germany 10 of 1356 (0.74%) | 9 of 1176 (0.77%)
Belgium 8 of 623 (1.3%) | 5 of 460 (1.1%)
Italy 20 of 1417 (1.4%) | 18 of 1360 (1.3%)
Romania 40 of 1218 (3.3%) | 41 of 1147 (3.6%)
Poland 25 of 466 (5.4%) | 20 of 593 (3.4%)

Ireland 2 of 171 (1.2%) | 1 of 116 (0.86%)

Edit: And the five highest new cases non-European countries. Not so different, I guess.
India 1066 of 91564 (1.2%) | 1109 of 81590 (1.4%)
US 726 of 35531 (2%) | 761 of 42682 (1.8%)
Brazil 674 of 27551 (2.4%) | 697 of 39433 (1.8%)
Argentina 68 of 10668 (0.64%) | 84 of 10081 (0.83%)
Colombia 185 of 7216 (2.6%) | 179 of 8363 (2.1%)

prunudo · 03-10-2020 04:23PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

It simply isnt well know.

If you think back to the earlier bank holiday weekends Gardai were assembled on well know outdoor natural recreational areas like Glendalough etc

The message was stay home save lives

None of the message was conducive to weight loss at any time.

Stay at home and wait for the vaccine so we can all line the pockets of big pharma. A lot of the 'expert advice' hasn't exactly been given with the view of protecting ourselves from the virus via natural means. Exercise more, get fresh air, improve diet all help to improving the immune system.

Charles Babbage · 03-10-2020 04:23PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

What's going on up North? Over 900 cases yesterday and over 700 cases today. They're huge numbers.

Drinking, socialising, visiting, couldn't be bothered, I'll do what I like, ....

Jim_Hodge · 03-10-2020 04:31PM

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Drinking, socialising, visiting, couldn't be bothered, I'll do what I like, ....

They also have an aversion to wearing masks (nobody's telling us what to do!) as we've seen in the shops around here.

Wolf359f · 03-10-2020 04:32PM

Ficheall wrote: »

Number of deaths as percentage of number of cases (seven-day averages for both) three weeks prior. (I believe that's supposed to be the average lag). Just looked at countries with highest number of cases (presumably more accurate) in Europe (presumably more reliable, but who knows). Obviously Ireland's numbers here were a little low to judge (thankfully), but it would seem 4 (1%) of yesterday's cases passing away within three weeks is not too wild an extrapolation.

Country #dOct2 #cSep12 #dSep26 #cSep5

France 71 of 8030 (0.88%) | 60 of 6454 (0.93%)
Russia 146 of 5293 (2.8%) | 127 of 4995 (2.5%)
UK 47 of 3001 (1.6%) | 30 of 1631 (1.8%)
Ukraine 62 of 2581 (2.4%) | 56 of 2402 (2.3%)
Netherlands 14 of 1022 (1.4%) | 13 of 605 (2.1%)
Czech of 16 of 1092 (1.5%) | 13 of 523 (2.5%)
Spain 122 of 10155 (1.2%) | 106 of 9314 (1.1%)
Germany 10 of 1356 (0.74%) | 9 of 1176 (0.77%)
Belgium 8 of 623 (1.3%) | 5 of 460 (1.1%)
Italy 20 of 1417 (1.4%) | 18 of 1360 (1.3%)
Romania 40 of 1218 (3.3%) | 41 of 1147 (3.6%)
Poland 25 of 466 (5.4%) | 20 of 593 (3.4%)

Ireland 2 of 171 (1.2%) | 1 of 116 (0.86%)

Very interesting and the 3 week lag would be accurate enough. I wonder if deaths across Europe will start increasing rapidly over the next few weeks. I'd imagine as soon as it filters into the old/vulnerable group it will.

Jim_Hodge · 03-10-2020 04:33PM

prunudo wrote: »

Stay at home and wait for the vaccine so we can all line the pockets of big pharma. A lot of the 'expert advice' hasn't exactly been given with the view of beating the virus via natural means. Exercise more, get fresh air, improve diet all help to improving the immune system.

It's a matter of finding a balance and taking precautions. You can still go out, you can still shop and go for a pint or a meal and meet friends but there are too many just not taking basic precautions.

Micky 32 · 03-10-2020 04:35PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

As is the echo chamber otherwise known as the restrictions thread.

What has the restrictions thread got to do with my post you qouted? Stop spouting nonsense.

s1ippy · 03-10-2020 04:36PM

I dunno, it's a bit of a slippery slope when you start outright blaming people for getting this. Fair enough, blame them for spreading it (going out when they're waiting on test results or confirmed contact of a positive case) but in the UK the CSO is saying 30,000 cases in children confirmed now and 25,000 more estimated. +700 cases in one university. As long as schools and universities are operating as normal it's impossible to contain this.

Wolf359f · 03-10-2020 04:37PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's a matter of finding a balance and taking precautions. You can still go out, you can still shop and go for a pint or a meal and meet friends but there are too many just not taking basic precautions.

I don't think people realise that all that's been asked is to maybe not go to the pub for the third night or the gym for the 4th time in a week etc...
Kinda like at the height of it, people mainly just done 1 large shop a week so they didn't have to go again during the week. That could be down to fear at the time or not wanting to face the queue again!

prunudo · 03-10-2020 04:38PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

It's a matter of finding a balance and taking precautions. You can still go out, you can still shop and go for a pint or a meal and meet friends but there are too many just not taking basic precautions.

The figures would seem to suggest that alright but i just don't see it myself. Anywhere I've been seems to be adhering to guidelines. I'm starting to think we're missing something on how it spreads.

03-10-2020 04:39PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I don't think people realise that all that's been asked is to maybe not go to the pub for the third night or the gym for the 4th time in a week etc...
Kinda like at the height of it, people mainly just done 1 large shop a week so they didn't have to go again during the week. That could be down to fear at the time or not wanting to face the queue again!

Except that's not even remotely all that's being asked of people

John O.Groats · 03-10-2020 04:40PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

What has the restrictions thread got to do with my post you qouted? Stop spouting nonsense.

The irony of you telling other posters to stop spouting nonsense is delicious even though you probably can`t see it. BTW the word you are looking for is quoted.

speckle · 03-10-2020 04:42PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

Very interesting and the 3 week lag would be accurate enough. I wonder if deaths across Europe will start increasing rapidly over the next few weeks. I'd imagine as soon as it filters into the old/vulnerable group it will.

Well, at least we have the good news from German stats, that the death rate is decreasing in all age groups, including the over 80s. A reduction of over over 60% in that group from 26+% down to c.11%.
Hope the same happens in Ireland, if not more questions need to be asked.

odyssey06 · 03-10-2020 04:42PM

prunudo wrote: »

The figures would seem to suggest that alright but i just don't see it myself. Anywhere I've been seems to be adhering to guidelines. I'm starting to think we're missing something on how it spreads.

There is the theory that distancing, masks etc mean that people are still being exposed to the virus, but at a low viral load.
This translates to milder and more asymptomatic cases.

There is also the theory that the virus has mutated into a more contagious but less severe strain.

caveat emptor · 03-10-2020 04:43PM

Live

Question:
"Has he received oxegen?"
Answer:
"He is not on oxygen now"

Didn't answer the question there.

Last Oxygen saturation level at 96%

Had a fever, wouldn't say how high.

Concerned for the second phase, the inflammatory response. Day 7 - 10.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1312416892624269313?s=20

Wolf359f · 03-10-2020 04:44PM

AdamD wrote: »

Except that's not even remotely all that's being asked of people

Maybe enlighten me?

polesheep · 03-10-2020 04:44PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I think the risk is well known..it's just, what do you about it? Usually obese people have very disfunctional attitudes toward food and it's something that's very difficult to change. They're not going to be able to just make it disappear in a few months so their COVID risk is lessened

If the entire nation can put up with restrictions to help keep them safe, I think the least those people could do is get themselves into better shape. There are vulnerable people who can't do anything about their situation but those that can should.

bb1234567 · 03-10-2020 04:51PM

polesheep wrote: »

If the entire nation can put up with restrictions to help keep them safe, I think the least those people could do is get themselves into better shape. There are vulnerable people who can't do anything about their situation but those that can should.

I agree but an obese person is at risk of many diseases at any on time, covid is just another, I'm sure they are well aware of the health implications of their conidtion so I don't see why COVID would be the last straw to shock most of them into action

Micky 32 · 03-10-2020 04:53PM

John O.Groats wrote: »

The irony of you telling other posters to stop spouting nonsense is delicious even though you probably can`t see it. BTW the word you are looking for is quoted.

Thank you for noticing my typo. But once again you’re posting more nonsense. Your reply made no sense to my post.

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 04:54PM

Trump according to his medical team, is doing very well.

polesheep · 03-10-2020 04:57PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

I agree but an obese person is at risk of many diseases at any on time, covid is just another, I'm sure they are well aware of the health implications of their conidtion so I don't see why COVID would be the last straw to shock most of them into action

It's true that it doesn't seem to be doing that. And you can say the same for smokers. At the same time, the overweight people and smokers I know are among the most fearful, especially smokers, who are already at risk from so many other diseases. Smokers seem to be able to wrap themselves in denial or else they wouldn't keep smoking, but I really do find it difficult to understand why a fearful overweight person wouldn't at least try to lose weight. I'd like to see them being given extra encouragement and support.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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