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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #6242
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Blaming young people for not sticking to the rules is hilarious.

    Children and teenagers are all mixing and their parents are in their 30s, 40s and 50s.

    They are not stopping their kids from mixing. All age groups, perhaps with the exception of the elderly, are not complying with the rules.

    They are in fact encouraging young people to mix with schools being opened the way they are, idiots


  • #6243
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    No worse than the delusional brigade who refuse to accept that Covid is a serious illness and who want to carry on having their house parties etc. as if it had never appeared.

    I’ve acted responsibly all throughout this pandemic and so has everyone I know.
    Haven’t said either that Covid isn’t a serious Illness.
    I’ve gone to the pub to watch the football a few times since they reopened and it was f**king brilliant to have a cold pint, peanuts and watch the game.
    That’s normal.
    What’s not normal is people trolling the internet to constantly post negative articles and graphs! But then go on to dismiss any positives.


  • #6244
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    They are in fact encouraging young people to mix with schools being opened the way they are, idiots

    Young people don't need to be encouraged to mix, it's natural behaviour.


  • #6245
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    I’ve acted responsibly all throughout this pandemic and so has everyone I know.
    .

    Yeah i find this hilarious, like you ( especially the nature of my job) i take every precaution necessary, done the whole social distancing, masks you name it. Then you have the usual cohort on here just because you have a different view or don’t share the same view on the lock us all up forever fetish. Apparently you’re delusional and have your head in the sand bolloxogy.


  • #6246
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Young people don't need to be encouraged to mix, it's natural behaviour.

    I completely agree, which is why schools should have been opened in a more controlled manner to reduce the risk of hundreds of kids mixing for 7 hours a day 5 days a week with little to no protections in place.


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  • #6247
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It's weird watching people pretend to be offended by your posts.

    I haven't the foggiest idea why they do it

    Yeah what's going on? It's all gone a bit soccer forum :)


  • #6248
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    If someone asked me do i think masks work i really wouldn’t know how to answer that to be honest because i really feel that i don’t know, so many conflicting reports. I do wear one when around people i’m working with and in shops as a courtesy and of course for the “ just incase they work” i have no problem with that at all.

    My partner works in a small shop. One of the girls she works alongside tested positive ( she was down the country with a large group of friends. A load of them tested positive on their return)

    Luckily my partner wasn’t working with her on her return. However she was working with another girl that had worked with her all day alongside her the previous day. They were in close proximity for most part too. Girl B got tested and the result was negative to the relief of my partner.

    The interesting bit is that both of those girls wore masks the whole time. Make of that what you will.

    The practical demonstration on the Late Late yesterday seems to have made it pretty clear that masks do help, but they are only one part of the picture, and from observations recently, the masks requirements have diluted the other precautions, and for me, that's a big part of the problem, especially if the masks don't fit well, and people are contstantly fiddling with them to either get them back into the right position, or (worse) stick them under their chin while they "don't need them in place", and then messing with them again to move it back into place.

    For safety, hands should be sanitised after EVERY contact with a mask, but that's not going to happen for all sorts of reasons, first because a lot of people don't even realise they are touching the mask, and second because people don't necessarily have enough sanitiser on them to be able to use it often enough. Masks that don't fit properly are a significant part of this problem, the number of masks that have slipped down below people's noses only a few seconds after being put on is only huge, and if they are chatting significantly, then the problem seems to get worse very quickly.

    The problem then is that regular hand contact with a potentially contaminated mask is the means for transfer of virus via their fingers to other surfaces (like card payment machine keyboards, or till screens, or door handles, or shopping trolley handles, or ..... the list is almost endless) that are then touched by other people.


    And yes, there's then also the problem of social separation, which in too many situations seems to have gone out of the window, it's no surprise to me that 14 to 25 is an age group with significant spread, the problem for me is not that a lot of them are in schools, it's the way they are acting after school, I lost count of the number of older teens I saw walking around the local area in groups of six or more, and I could have put a ring 2 meters in diameter around the entire group, and there wasn't a mask to be seen on any of them.

    While these sorts of things are still ongoing, it's going to be pretty much impossible to get the R number back down to below 1, and that represents a significant risk to all of us.

    As for some of the comments here overnight, words fail me, I could easily have put a significant number of people on ignore, but unfortunately, the software doesn't then also block posts where the people on ignore have been quoted, which somewhat negates the option.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #6249
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    This is a great idea focus on an indicator that lags 3 to 4 weeks behind the one you are currently using. A great way to make quick and timely decisions. :rolleyes:

    It is a great idea, yes. Focus on the tangible results of the virus i.e. people getting ill enough to need hospital care. Rather than have restrictions based on people who are positive but not actually ill.


  • #6250
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How many dead in the last 7 days?

    Or how many have risen?


  • #6251
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Santy2015 wrote: »
    Great to see hospitalisations decrease over the last 24 hours.
    117 in hospital yesterday morning, 117 this morning, I wouldn't call that a decrease! But nice that it didn't increase.


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  • #6252
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I completely agree, which is why schools should have been opened in a more controlled manner to reduce the risk of hundreds of kids mixing for 7 hours a day 5 days a week with little to no protections in place.

    What's happening in the schools is not the problem, there are protections in the (second level) schools, with other precautions, it's the groups of 7 or 8 teens going out after school together, no masks, and social separation is nowhere on their radar, I lost count of the number of groups I saw yesterday afternoon where a 2 Metre ring would have gone round the entire group.

    Makes a mockery of only meeting with one other household, etc, and is one of the factors that's driving the surge in cases.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #6253
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Plumbthedepths wrote:
    So other than a rambling piece of nonsense, no answer to what I asked of you. Grand so. Have a good day.
    Obviously you can't read.

    It's not surprising seeing as you nitpick and get involved in oneupmanship battles like a child all the time.

    You are taking on people much smarter than you too but I guess you can't see that.


  • #6254
    degsie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,830 ✭✭✭degsie


    .


  • #6255
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    What's happening in the schools is not the problem, there are protections in the (second level) schools, with other precautions, it's the groups of 7 or 8 teens going out after school together, no masks, and social separation is nowhere on their radar, I lost count of the number of groups I saw yesterday afternoon where a 2 Metre ring would have gone round the entire group.

    Makes a mockery of only meeting with one other household, etc, and is one of the factors that's driving the surge in cases.

    As someone who works in second level, those same 7 - 8 are doing much in the same in school in between classes and on break and lunch and then are crowding into tiny classrooms with 25-30 other kids who share equipment during practical and computer classes (as an aside it is left up to students to clean the equipment before using it)


  • #6256
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    eagle eye wrote: »

    You are taking on people much smarter than you too but I guess you can't see that.

    I dumb myself down to respond to others. ;-)


  • #6257
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,893 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How many dead in the last 7 days?

    6 Deaths in the 7 days up to the 1st Oct.

    4 Deaths in August with 2746 cases.
    32 Deaths in September with 7395 cases.
    And don't be asking their age or if they died with or of Covid.


  • #6258
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Nobody in the middle of these two, no?

    Well there probably are but going by this gem you posted the other day you clearly are not one of them. Still getting pissed at 7am?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114760257&postcount=4860


  • #6259
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    As someone who works in second level, those same 7 - 8 are doing much in the same in school in between classes and on break and lunch and then are crowding into tiny classrooms with 25-30 other kids who share equipment during practical and computer classes (as an aside it is left up to students to clean the equipment before using it)

    That doesn’t suit the narrative for parents who need babysitters during the day.


  • #6260
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    degsie wrote: »
    .

    Wow that's a viewpoint I hadn't thought of before. Thanks for bringing some sense to this thread.


  • #6261
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    As someone who works in second level, those same 7 - 8 are doing much in the same in school in between classes and on break and lunch and then are crowding into tiny classrooms with 25-30 other kids who share equipment during practical and computer classes (as an aside it is left up to students to clean the equipment before using it)

    OK, my grand daughter has just started second level, and she's pretty much savvy with the guidelines, and happy enough with how it's working there, they're wearing masks on the buses and in the classes, and separating as required, and they are very much being separated by year, etc, so I suspect it's down to the individual schools and how they implement the guidelines they've been given, which may be varied.

    They had a panic a few days ago, but that turned out to be the Covid app making assumptions about the teachers proximity, because they were all using the school WiFi, so sharing a common IP address, which confused things some.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • #6262
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    OK, my grand daughter has just started second level, and she's pretty much savvy with the guidelines, and happy enough with how it's working there, they're wearing masks on the buses and in the classes, and separating as required, and they are very much being separated by year, etc, so I suspect it's down to the individual schools and how they implement the guidelines they've been given, which may be varied.

    They had a panic a few days ago, but that turned out to be the Covid app making assumptions about the teachers proximity, because they were all using the school WiFi, so sharing a common IP address, which confused things some.

    The Covid19 app uses Bluetooth, not WiFi.


  • #6263
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,145 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    Well there probably are but going by this gem you posted the other day you clearly are not one of them. Still getting pissed at 7am?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114760257&postcount=4860

    I was at work at 7 myself. I'd be dead if I drank till 7 in morning.


  • #6264
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    OK, my grand daughter has just started second level, and she's pretty much savvy with the guidelines, and happy enough with how it's working there, they're wearing masks on the buses and in the classes, and separating as required, and they are very much being separated by year, etc, so I suspect it's down to the individual schools and how they implement the guidelines they've been given, which may be varied.

    They had a panic a few days ago, but that turned out to be the Covid app making assumptions about the teachers proximity, because they were all using the school WiFi, so sharing a common IP address, which confused things some.

    Masks are good but they can only do so much, your grand daughters setup sounds much like ours, all years have their base room for classes like maths english etc. But move to practical computer rooms (effectively all classes are moving together every 2nd class or so). Most students are good for wearing masks in class, but of course you always have the class tough guy or clown who just won't comply. However the second kids are out of classes the masks are off, walking around hallways "eating" So they don't have to wear them, and once they are outside (which they all do now) all masks are off, kids are sitting in large groups, playing, fighting, having fun Sharing food etc etc.
    Large schools cannot be kept safe when at full capacity, its impossible


  • #6265
    wally1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭wally1990


    What the situation with wiring whilst Covid positive and remote work.

    I'm just a bit confused as to what is the correct protocol on behalf of the employer / employee where it involves remote work

    I've been confirmed as a close contact of someone i was with 16 hours straight just before they tested positive

    I've now developed systems but I'm not ''sick'' (yet) but I've a tightness in my chest, a cough , tickle in my throat but no fever or headaches etc

    My test is organised for 5 30 today.

    If I am found to be positive, do I need to call in sick even though that work is done remotely from my home

    Are employers expecting staff to continue to work if positive and it's done remotely or is the correct method to call in sick , ride it out and wait until I've a negative test confirmed

    Money and salary and sick pay etc I'm not concerned about . Just to want to is their official guidance or should I be working if I feel able to

    Is there workplace relations advice ? If it wasn't remote work (due to covid only ) or another sickness (eg flu or bug ) I'd be out sick from the office


  • #6266
    Littleredcar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭Littleredcar


    If you are working from home and not too Ill to continue to do so then you power through


  • #6267
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    wally1990 wrote: »
    What the situation with wiring whilst Covid positive and remote work.

    I'm just a bit confused as to what is the correct protocol on behalf of the employer / employee where it involves remote work

    I've been confirmed as a close contact of someone i was with 16 hours straight just before they tested positive

    I've now developed systems but I'm not ''sick'' (yet) but I've a tightness in my chest, a cough , tickle in my throat but no fever or headaches etc

    My test is organised for 5 30 today.

    If I am found to be positive, do I need to call in sick even though that work is done remotely from my home

    Are employers expecting staff to continue to work if positive and it's done remotely or is the correct method to call in sick , ride it out and wait until I've a negative test confirmed

    Money and salary and sick pay etc I'm not concerned about . Just to want to is their official guidance or should I be working if I feel able to

    Is there workplace relations advice ? If it wasn't remote work (due to covid only ) or another sickness (eg flu or bug ) I'd be out sick from the office

    Have you even spoken to your employer on this?


  • #6268
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,287 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    6 Deaths in the 7 days up to the 1st Oct.

    4 Deaths in August with 2746 cases.
    32 Deaths in September with 7395 cases.
    And don't be asking their age or if they died with or of Covid.

    What about the 6 denotified yesterday?


  • #6269
    wally1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭wally1990


    petes wrote: »
    Have you even spoken to your employer on this?

    Ya , she couldn't answer it and kept saying see how you feel

    That isnt clear nor proper guidance

    I wonder is there any workplace relations advice ? I can't find anything

    If I was on site which I normally am, if I had a flu or illness I'd be out sick but now that I can remote work I worry the expectation is I should be working from home for the full day if im not terribly Ill

    It's a grey area is it without legal advice or is there proper guidance out there ?

    I also wonder , if I am out sick then should it be the solid 14 days from being confirmed positive

    I'm so confused


  • #6270
    zinfandel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 234 ✭✭zinfandel


    wally1990 wrote: »
    What the situation with wiring whilst Covid positive and remote work.

    I'm just a bit confused as to what is the correct protocol on behalf of the employer / employee where it involves remote work

    I've been confirmed as a close contact of someone i was with 16 hours straight just before they tested positive

    I've now developed systems but I'm not ''sick'' (yet) but I've a tightness in my chest, a cough , tickle in my throat but no fever or headaches etc

    My test is organised for 5 30 today.

    If I am found to be positive, do I need to call in sick even though that work is done remotely from my home

    Are employers expecting staff to continue to work if positive and it's done remotely or is the correct method to call in sick , ride it out and wait until I've a negative test confirmed

    Money and salary and sick pay etc I'm not concerned about . Just to want to is their official guidance or should I be working if I feel able to

    Is there workplace relations advice ? If it wasn't remote work (due to covid only ) or another sickness (eg flu or bug ) I'd be out sick from the office

    why would you not continue to work if you feel well enough and are working from home?


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  • #6271
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    The Covid19 app uses Bluetooth, not WiFi.

    Aware of that, but for some reason, the public post that explained why 30 teachers had been incorrectly deemed close contacts stated that there had been some sort of confusion as a result of them all being on the same IP address, which seemed strange at the time, but it wasn't queried at the time.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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