Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

prunudo · 03-10-2020 09:32AM

Chicke wrote: »

Do any of the previous posters that think a pamdemic is a good way of eliminating overpopulation( bit like the nazis and the final solution for the jews except for now its the elderly) flount the rules, go to house parties, dont socially distance or wear masks?
Are they forcing their opinions potentially literally into the lives and health of others?

There is no good way for it to happen. But if it does need to happen there is sfa we can do about it. We're just all along for the ride.

Gruffalux · 03-10-2020 09:36AM

prunudo wrote: »

Mother nature doesn't give a **** about analogies or fancy terminology.

You are the one who analogised her. As a result of her actions, you said, there would not be "more and more" of the old at the expense of those generations coming after. In 1918 when pandemic was killing mostly the young had no one told silly Mother Nature the rules?

s1ippy · 03-10-2020 09:43AM

I can't wait to have Tony back tomorrow. He's grrrrr-eat.

Haven't been getting value for my subscription to Tonyfans in the last few months

odyssey06 · 03-10-2020 09:44AM

jopax wrote: »

I totally agree with you there. I think the people that don't understand it never actually had the flu before as there is no denying how bad it is.
It's hard to get out of bed nevermind work, it just doesn't happen.
I know middle aged people who have admitted that they never got the flu, so some people understand that it's just a bad head cold or virus whilst others insist it's the flu when it isn't.

I used to think that too, and certainly that is one way flu can hit.
But there have been recent studies showing people can get asymptomatic or mild flu symptoms.
Whatever figures we have for flu cases in a year is probably only about half or two-thirds of the real numbers.

"20% to 30% of people carrying the influenza virus have no symptoms."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

Paddygreen · 03-10-2020 09:45AM

prunudo wrote: »

There is no good way for it to happen. But if it does need to happen there is sfa we can do about it. We're just all along for the ride.

We should just leave it to the experts to make the tough decisions, simple as that.

Chicke · 03-10-2020 09:49AM

The point is we can and have managed to contain this pandemic and can in the coming months but not if some people are not following guidines.

s1ippy · 03-10-2020 09:50AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

We should just leave it to the experts to make the tough decisions, simple as that.

The restrictions need to come down on some hard in the next two weeks. It's going to be a bloodbath of biblical proportions.

Paddygreen · 03-10-2020 09:52AM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't wait to have Tony back tomorrow. He's grrrrr-eat.

Haven't been getting value for my subscription to Tonyfans in the last few months

Dr Tony is awesome, such a great guy. There should be a prominent statue or monument erected in his honour.

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 09:53AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

I used to think that too, and certainly that is one way flu can hit.
But there have been recent studies showing people can get asymptomatic or mild flu symptoms.
Whatever figures we have for flu cases in a year is probably only about half or two-thirds of the real numbers.

"20% to 30% of people carrying the influenza virus have no symptoms."

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

They freely admit they don't identify all of them in an annual flu' season, but having a vaccine makes that a more minor concern. The aim in any season is to minimise deaths and the actual numbers of cases is more for statistical purposes.

wadacrack · 03-10-2020 09:56AM

Numbers don't lie, hopefully people can alter their behavior. The alternative is much worse. High death counts every day as seen in Brazil where it has surged again in certain area's. Long lasting immunity does seem unlikely .

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1312086548410703872

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 09:57AM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Dr Tony is awesome, such a great guy. There should be a prominent statue or monument erected in his honour.

They should put it outside whichever nursing home had the greatest number of deaths. Fitting.

odyssey06 · 03-10-2020 09:58AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They freely admit they don't identify all of them in an annual flu' season, but having a vaccine makes that a more minor concern. The aim in any season is to minimise deaths and the actual numbers of cases is more for statistical purposes.

I agree. But I think it makes any comparsion with flu rates v covid on case counts to be dubious.

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 10:00AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

They should put it outside whichever nursing home had the greatest number of deaths. Fitting.

The HSE run public care homes and HIQA are supposed to look after private ones. I don't think he works for either.

Gruffalux · 03-10-2020 10:02AM

is_that_so wrote: »

They freely admit they don't identify all of them in an annual flu' season, but having a vaccine makes that a more minor concern. The aim in any season is to minimise deaths and the actual numbers of cases is more for statistical purposes.

For the past 15 years at least proper studies repeatedly show flu vaccine does not reduce death or hospitalisation rates in the over 65 bracket. Weird but seemingly true.

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 10:02AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The HSE run public care homes and HIQA are supposed to look after private ones. I don't think he works for either.

He doesn't, so why did he advise nursing homes not to restrict visitors last March?

giveitholly · 03-10-2020 10:05AM

A small bit of good news

https://twitter.com/PaulFoxDublin/status/1312310877220220930?s=19

MerlinSouthDub · 03-10-2020 10:07AM

giveitholly wrote: »

A small bit of good news

https://twitter.com/PaulFoxDublin/status/1312310877220220930?s=19

That's great. Hospital numbers have stabilised over past week. We are actually doing better than many countries in Europe right now

Zebra3 · 03-10-2020 10:14AM

wadacrack wrote: »

Numbers don't lie, hopefully people can alter their behavior. The alternative is much worse. High death counts every day as seen in Brazil where it has surged again in certain area's. Long lasting immunity does seem unlikely .

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1312086548410703872

Very unfortunate for the people in Brazil, but in no way relevant to life in Ireland.

Have traveled around a fair bit of Brazil, life in the favelas is grim, and the obesity levels I encountered in Rio seemed to be far worse than anything I've seen in the US. And I've been to some tubby towns there.

TonyMaloney · 03-10-2020 10:15AM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

That's great. Hospital numbers have stabilised over past week. We are actually doing better than many countries in Europe right now

I suspect that's due to hospitals getting tighter with who they admit for fear of our capacity.

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 10:16AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

He doesn't, so why did he advise nursing homes not to restrict visitors last March?

The DoH/NPHET just offer advice, the government and HSE acted on it. He's explained why numerous times - they didn't want a free for all on closing things down. The timeline shows about a 24 hour discrepancy between when they didn't want them to be shut down to when they did. If you are looking for blame or reasons look to poor infection control, understaffing, staff employed in multiple locations and PPE.

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 10:20AM

is_that_so wrote: »

The DoH/NPHET just offer advice, the government and HSE acted on it. He's explained why numerous times - they didn't want a free for all on closing things down. The timeline shows about a 24 hour discrepancy between when they didn't want them to be shut down to when they did. If you are looking for blame or reasons look to poor infection control, understaffing, staff employed in multiple locations and PPE.

I said Holohan advised Nursing homes not to restrict visitors, am I wrong ? A simple yes or no will suffice.

eagle eye · 03-10-2020 10:21AM

Plumbthedepths wrote:

He doesn't, so why did he advise nursing homes not to restrict visitors last March?

Reminds me a bit of you. Anti-lockdown all the way and even with numbers continually climbing you stick to it.

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 10:25AM

Gruffalux wrote: »

For the past 15 years at least proper studies repeatedly show flu vaccine does not reduce death or hospitalisation rates in the over 65 bracket. Weird but seemingly true.

Yeah, that suggests that there is a plan which accepts this but aims to keep those numbers at a consistent, hopefully low, level.

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 10:26AM

eagle eye wrote: »

Reminds me a bit of you. Anti-lockdown all the way and even with numbers continually climbing you stick to it.

Diddums. ;-)

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 10:28AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

I said Holohan advised Nursing homes not to restrict visitors, am I wrong ? A simple yes or no will suffice.

"Visitor restrictions in respect of nursing homes are not appropriate at this moment in time" is exactly what he said in a press release. That's neither Yes nor No.

polesheep · 03-10-2020 10:29AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

Your opinion and feelings are simply and utterly irrelevant. You can whinge and stamp your feet all you like, but it won't change public health policy.

You may as well not exist. That must be a tough realisation for one so self-important.

Keep posting on Boards though, demanding your agenda be catered to, like anyone gives a fcuk about it :pac:

Ditto

Plumbthedepths · 03-10-2020 10:31AM

is_that_so wrote: »

"Visitor restrictions in respect of nursing homes are not appropriate at this moment in time" is exactly what he said in a press release. That's neither Yes nor No.

You should be a politician, if you aren't already. ;-)

polesheep · 03-10-2020 10:31AM

PowerToWait wrote: »

You only have to have a cursory glance through the various threads on here to see how lax many people's attitudes have gotten. Not to mention the OUTRAGE

People are FED UP

Who cares about this virus it ONLY KILLS OLD PEOPLE

Football is a HUMAN RIGHT

The economy is doomed.

Fcuk these old people and their vulnerability give me my pint and premier league back now

And shouting... people shouting.

is_that_so · 03-10-2020 10:34AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You should be a politician, if you aren't already. ;-)

You'd do well on a committee with all that fine hair splitting!

jam_mac_jam · 03-10-2020 10:38AM

prunudo wrote: »

Interestingly some of the people who tested positive are wearing masks. Were they flippant about them and other guidelines behind the scenes and only wearing them when the cameras were running.

Masks don't completely prevent you getting the virus just makes it less likely. So you can wear one and still get it.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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