Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:32PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1002/1168952-covid-northern-ireland/

Hospital and ICU admissions in NI doubling every 9 days

Ulster fry-ups and Covid are unlikely to be a good mix.

TonyMaloney · 02-10-2020 02:33PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The roads? The BA tried that and it didn't work.

It works on every border on the planet.

Of course you could restrict the number of people crossing the border by manning the roads with cops/army and asking all people to turn back for non-essential travel.

As I said - the traffic alone would do most of the job for you.

**** knows how it would be thought of by the people though. Could be a complete disaster.

Sam Russell · 02-10-2020 02:34PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Seeing anything with Anti Corruption Ireland should be automatically put in the bin, but only after reading it for a laugh.

One of the comments in the debunking article is as follows:

@OnlyHereForTheComments: Admit that the leaflet omitted one of the most sophisticated conspiracies ever: SLICED BREAD! As we now know – metal blades are used to cut the bread. The special blades leave tiny metal particles on each slice you ingest. Those particles then circulate in your bloodstream and settle eventually in your brain causing corrosion. Corroded brains are frankly easier to be subverted. If you eat a lot of sliced bread or sliced buns – like the ones in burgers you may turn ginger. In extreme cases your skin may show orange tinge…Mental effects can manifest (but are not limited to) as urge to inject bleach, or insert UV light source inside your body. You may also be more prone to adultery and violence but touting family values and protection of life (especially life if somebody else’s womb). Weird ha? Believe it or not – but NGO,WHO,BMW,KFC,FBI,deep state and Johnny Depp are all in it.

I think that is the antidote to the nonsense in that leaflet.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:35PM

is_that_so wrote: »

You can't be afraid of them if you don't pay attention to them but it's not as if they can be hidden away, they are reported. I guess that brings us back to how the data is reported. Personally favour the 7 or 14 day and cases per 100K, with the daily numbers as a BTW.

You can't deny that they have been used to ramp up fear. They are really only relevant to the decision makers.

Eod100 · 02-10-2020 02:35PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1002/1168952-covid-northern-ireland/

Hospital and ICU admissions in NI doubling every 9 days

Incidence per 100,000 effectively doubled in a week too

Happydays2020 · 02-10-2020 02:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

**** just got real. From talking to colleagues in NI, the ICUs are under significant strain in NI at the moment. A lot of people are going to die due to lack of ability to escalate to ICU over the winter. Would not like to be prone to life threatening asthma attacks. Chances of survival are very low if no access to ICU bed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54385926

65 in hospital.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 02:36PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

Northern Ireland had low cases until they opened the schools..they need to shut the schools again.

Think it's that 18-45 group that are seeing most of the cases, like other countries.

BringBackMick · 02-10-2020 02:36PM

NI cases rising exponentially, they need to lock down now, even if they lockdown today they will be reporting over 2,000 cases by next Friday, scary place

SleetAndSnow · 02-10-2020 02:36PM

If I am doing the math right, 934 cases in the north is akin to 2500-3000 cases down here?

Hulk Hands · 02-10-2020 02:37PM

eagle eye wrote: »

He's just playing the political popuarity game.

Tbh, during his tenure as Taoiseach during this pandemic I wondered how he ever became a doctor due to the poor decisions he and those around him made. Eventually they got their act together but it took quite a while when it was clear and obvious what was required in late February.

eagle eye wrote: »

Please go away with your political agenda.
And that's from somebody who does not like Sinn Fein or any of the other parties either tbh.

:rolleyes: Posts literally an hour apart on the same thread

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 02:38PM

polesheep wrote: »

You can't deny that they have been used to ramp up fear. They are really only relevant to the decision makers.

They are just numbers, how people are processing them does not change that. If anyone is to blame for that fear it's the media. What do you see as the better way?

02-10-2020 02:38PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-54385926

65 in hospital.

Bacterial Pneumonias/ The flu season is starting. I never said that it was directly due to covid. Covid is adding to the strain on the NHS.

eagle eye · 02-10-2020 02:38PM

polesheep wrote:

You can't deny that they have been used to ramp up fear. They are really only relevant to the decision makers.

It's great to have daily numbers. It helps with decisions that you have to make.
Right now it's time to be really careful, find the quietest time to go shopping and only meet up with people you know are very responsible.
If they instill fear in you then just don't look at them and turn off the news.

Nqp15hhu · 02-10-2020 02:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Think it's that 18-45 group that are seeing most of the cases, like other countries.

Derry’s infection rates remained low for months, then bam when the schools opened.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:39PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are just numbers, how people are processing them not change that. If anyone is to blame for that fear it's the media.

Are you trolling me? It's a serious question, because I don't for one minute believe that you think that.

Plumbthedepths · 02-10-2020 02:39PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Would building a wall be out of the question?

Yep.

eagle eye · 02-10-2020 02:40PM

Hulk Hands wrote:

Posts literally an hour apart on the same thread

I never mentioned a political party name. And as you can see it's not just one party I have no time for but this isn't the thread for that. This is about covid-19.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:40PM

eagle eye wrote: »

It's great to have daily numbers. It helps with decisions that you have to make.
Right now it's time to be really careful, find the quietest time to go shopping and only meet up with people you know are very responsible.
If they instill fear in you then just don't look at them and turn off the news.

But you've been doing that from the beginning, regardless of the daily number.

eagle eye · 02-10-2020 02:41PM

polesheep wrote:

But you've been doing that from the beginning, regardless of the daily number.

When the numbers were well down I was socialising a lot more.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 02:42PM

polesheep wrote: »

Are you trolling me? It's a serious question, because I don't for one minute believe that you think that.

I do actually, but I've long since moved past our daily cases to other more useful data, which, while certainly worsening, are not in any way terrifying.

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 02:45PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

**** just got real. From talking to colleagues in NI, the ICUs are under significant strain in NI at the moment. A lot of people are going to die due to lack of ability to escalate to ICU over the winter. Would not like to be prone to life threatening asthma attacks. Chances of survival are very low if no access to ICU bed.

They've 9 in ICU as per their own figures.

Not sure what capacity is but 9 isn't going to cause significant strain unless they've little beds to start with and no surge capacity

Boggles · 02-10-2020 02:47PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

15.5% positivity rate for NI.

Way too high.

Stay at home restrictions for at least a large part of it soon.

TexasTornado · 02-10-2020 02:47PM

Eod100 wrote: »

No because that ignores the long term effects it can have on you and healthy people without underlying conditions too. https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1311916323669041152?s=19

That's really hard to watch. Fu ck this virus and anyone underplaying it.

GeorgeBailey · 02-10-2020 02:47PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

If I am doing the math right, 934 cases in the north is akin to 2500-3000 cases down here?

Well you're doing the mathS wrong anyway.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:48PM

is_that_so wrote: »

I do actually, but I've long since moved past our daily cases to other more useful data, which, while certainly worsening, are not in any way terrifying.

So you don't believe that numbers or words for that matter can be any more than just numbers and words. Ok, fair enough.

SleetAndSnow · 02-10-2020 02:48PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Well you're doing the mathS wrong anyway.

Good thing I didn't become a mathematician then

hmmm · 02-10-2020 02:49PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

15.5% positivity rate for NI.

What that tells us is they are likely to be significantly undercounting the true number of cases.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-testing#the-positive-rate-a-crucial-metric-for-understanding-the-pandemic

02-10-2020 02:49PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

They've 9 in ICU as per their own figures.

Not sure what capacity is but 9 isn't going to cause significant strain unless they've little beds to start with and no surge capacity

9 people in addition to normal ICU numbers. THere are 95 ICU beds in NI. In a short term situation, this could be doubled to 190 (but this is only to deal with short term events/ terrorists disasters as the bottle neck is trained staff and we aren't machines. You can deal with increased need over a short term period (ie take the manchester bombings).

At the moment, they have 10% extra demand for their ICU beds compared to non-covid times.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 02:50PM

polesheep wrote: »

So you don't believe that numbers or words for that matter can be any more than just numbers and words. Ok, fair enough.

This may have started out as a sentence but I don't know what it finished up as!

Gruffalux · 02-10-2020 02:50PM

Just on the border thing way back when the cattle disease happened in 2001 there was a massive operation om every border crossing. Your car got lashed with spray. Every car. Every time you crossed. Any hour of day or night. You had to step out onto mats so your shoes got cleaned. A bazillion tons of noxious chemicals must have flowed from the roads into the streams and lakes along the border.
I don't suggest compulsory dousing in hand sanitiser showers at the borders.