Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 01:47PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well let's see the figures.

Easy found, stats on underlying conditions v non underlying conditions. 28 people without underlying conditions out of the 15,357 confirmed cases (likely to be many more than 15,357 cases) unfortunately passed away up to 26th September.

Unknown in the case of 44 so the 28 could rise pending coroner ruling

Data also broken down by underlying condition.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311242777628422145?s=19

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 01:49PM

douglashyde wrote: »

To go a step further, it's difficult for many to accept; but those getting seriously ill and dying already have (statistical speaking) serious health problems - this is where the laser focus of govt policy should be.

That's easier said than put into practical measures ... how do you focus on them in isolation to the rest of the community. They don't exist in a sterile bubble, even those in nursing homes. There are staff, deliveries, medical care, other needs, family visits etc
You have vulnerable people living with people of different generations at home.
If you look at all the people who are in "at risk" group for this virus it is hundreds of thousands of people. Extend that bubble to the people listed above.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 01:50PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

That's easier said than put into practical measures ... how do you focus on them in isolation to the rest of the community. They don't exist in a sterile bubble, even those in nursing homes. There are staff, deliveries, medical care, other needs, family visits etc
You have vulnerable people living with people of different generations at home.

'Easier said than done' is the world's oldest excuse for doing nothing.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-10-2020 01:52PM

Netherlands reports record 3,825 new cases in past 24hrs and 9 new deaths.

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 01:58PM

polesheep wrote: »

'Easier said than done' is the world's oldest excuse for doing nothing.

Posting trite comments is easy.

Boggles · 02-10-2020 01:59PM

polesheep wrote: »

For the decision makers, certainly. But listing them off every day for the public had just one purpose... instil fear and compliance.

So you want less transparency?

Hurrache · 02-10-2020 02:01PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Journal has fact-checked the leaflet from "Anti Corruption Ireland" and absolutely ripped it to shreds as either FALSE, or NONSENSE, with one of two UNPROVENs.
https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-covid-misinformation-ireland-5216108-Oct2020/

Many of the claims appear to be deliberate mis-representation of statistics in circulation, together with conspiracy theory nonsense.

Seeing anything with Anti Corruption Ireland should be automatically put in the bin, but only after reading it for a laugh.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:04PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Posting trite comments is easy.

It's not a trite comment when it's relevant. Why was there no thought put into ways to both protect the vulnerable and, at the same time, give them essential freedoms? What if a vaccine never comes? If a vaccine never comes then, finally, they will begin to think about how to best manage the vulnerable. Why couldn't that thought process have begun at the start?

Jinglejangle69 · 02-10-2020 02:05PM

Median age of death from covid last month was 90.

Life expectancy is 82.

Covid is just another thing that unfortunately kills mostly old people, like pneumonia etc.

That's the truth that not one politician will come out and say.

Funsterdelux · 02-10-2020 02:06PM

Hurrache wrote: »

Seeing anything with Anti Corruption Ireland should be automatically put in the bin, but only after reading it for a laugh.

I was looking forward to the implementation of Agenda 21, now its Agenda 2030. They keep moving the start of NWO.

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:07PM

Boggles wrote: »

So you want less transparency?

No, I want them to stop using daily case figures to put fear into people. I said nothing about transparency.

SleetAndSnow · 02-10-2020 02:08PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

KrustyUCC · 02-10-2020 02:10PM

Dang that's a lot of cases up there

Boggles · 02-10-2020 02:11PM

polesheep wrote: »

No, I want them to stop using daily case figures to put fear into people. I said nothing about transparency.

So you think weekly cases that could amount to 1000s wouldn't scare people?

TexasTornado · 02-10-2020 02:11PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

WTF :eek: Those close the border shouts don't seem that crazy after all tbh.

Kermit.de.frog · 02-10-2020 02:12PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

They need tough measures and they need them now. Once hospitalisations start spiking it's already too late.

Happydays2020 · 02-10-2020 02:12PM

Boggles wrote: »

This simply isn't true.

Case numbers and in particular the profile and location of the case numbers is an indicator of numerous things particular a heads up of future hospitalizations.

Absolutely vital information in helping to run a health service during a pandemic.

It is not a good metric when comparisons are made with the case numbers in March, April and May. In fact it is actively misleading.

Without those comparisons, then yes it is a good metric along with the other key metrics.

Boggles · 02-10-2020 02:12PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

Jesus Christ.

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 02:12PM

polesheep wrote: »

It's not a trite comment when it's relevant. Why was there no thought put into ways to both protect the vulnerable and, at the same time, give them essential freedoms? What if a vaccine never comes? If a vaccine never comes then, finally, they will begin to think about how to best manage the vulnerable. Why couldn't that thought process have begun at the start?

Your line about "easier said than done" was trite.
Are people supposed to be able to post anything without being queried on what that translates to in terms of practical measures?

You are stating without any reference that no thought was given to it, so it's a premise I completely reject.

NPHET have been clear, how can you protect the vulnerable if it is rampant in the community. How will carers and nursing home staff avoid being infected, ditto for multi-generational households, or households having a vulnerable parent and school going child.

Can you quantity the number of people you are talking about here?

Goldrickssan · 02-10-2020 02:13PM

Do SF have input on covid strategy up North? How have they been doing?

TexasTornado · 02-10-2020 02:14PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

The Journal has fact-checked the leaflet from "Anti Corruption Ireland" and absolutely ripped it to shreds as either FALSE, or NONSENSE, with one of two UNPROVENs.
https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-covid-misinformation-ireland-5216108-Oct2020/

Many of the claims appear to be deliberate mis-representation of statistics in circulation, together with conspiracy theory nonsense.

Any who read that and thought it was accurate there's no hope for anyway.

Happydays2020 · 02-10-2020 02:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Christ.

We need a wall.

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 02:15PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

Serious issues in Derry / Strabane by the looks of it

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 02:15PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Median age of death from covid last month was 90. Life expectancy is 82. Covid is just another thing that unfortunately kills mostly old people, like pneumonia etc. That's the truth that not one politician will come out and say.

And they shouldn't because it isn't the truth of the matter. It is a distortion.
Hundreds of people in the UK have died who were under 60 without pre existing medical condition.

Look at the people who were hospitalised and recovered with medical intervention.
Now dial up the number of infected to more than our capacity to treat.
You will quickly see the median age and % with underlying conditions drop.

igCorcaigh · 02-10-2020 02:16PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

15.5% positivity rate for NI.

Gael23 · 02-10-2020 02:16PM

900 cases in NI today

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 02:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Serious issues in Derry / Strabane by the looks of it

7 day infection rate per 100,000 for Northern Ireland is 139.4. In Derry and Strabane it’s now 422.8. Newry+ Mourne is 213.7 Belfast 161.5 + Mid Ulster 155.2

JP Liz V1 · 02-10-2020 02:18PM

SleetAndSnow wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1312016064176435202?s=19

Crazy

934 :eek: close the border

polesheep · 02-10-2020 02:19PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Your line about "easier said than done" was trite.
Are people supposed to be able to post anything without being queried on what that translates to in terms of practical measures?

You are stating without any reference that no thought was given to it, so it's a premise I completely reject.

NPHET have been clear, how can you protect the vulnerable if it is rampant in the community. How will carers and nursing home staff avoid being infected, ditto for multi-generational households, or households having a vulnerable parent and school going child.

Can you quantity the number of people you are talking about here?

How can you ever do it if you don't try? What do you think will happen if in twelve month's time or less we don't have a vaccine? The priority will suddenly be to protect the vulnerable so that society and the economy can go back to as normal as possible. There will be no choice about that. So why not prepare for that possible outcome? I hope we get a safe vaccine that puts all this to bed, but if we don't there will be an awful lot of people asking why we are not prepared for the situation in which we find ourselves.

Plumbthedepths · 02-10-2020 02:19PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

934 :eek: close the border

There is no physical border between ROI and NI. Nothing to close.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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