Amazed by people buying new oil burners right now

celtic_oz · 02-10-2020 11:34am #1

Its as if the want to maximize their depreciation ahead of the electric avalanche

Meanwhile, SIMI said that new car registrations for the month of September raced 66.3% higher to 5,685 when compared to September 2019 when 3,418 cars were registered. September also saw a huge jump in the number of electric vehicles registered with the numbers rising by 477% to 664 compared to 115 in September last year.

90% are legacy oil burners :eek:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1001/1168707-simi-car-registration-figures/

slave1 · 02-10-2020 11:37am

Why not, EV's are costly with huge limitations to those without home charging and the pubic charging infrastructure is appalling which further impacts range

biko · 02-10-2020 1:21pm

Not everyone is drinking the EV juice yet

Silent Running · 02-10-2020 1:25pm

celtic_oz wrote: »

Its as if the want to maximize their depreciation ahead of the electric avalanche

90% are legacy oil burners :eek:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1001/1168707-simi-car-registration-figures/

Whatever about buying an EV, or not, Diesel would be my last choice if I had to buy a fossil fuelled car.

illumin · 02-10-2020 1:27pm

Silent Running wrote: »

Whatever about buying an EV, or not, Diesel would be my last choice if I had to buy a fossil fuelled car.

If you live in rural Ireland, not near any sort of public transport... I'm afraid it makes sense to a lot of people.

DoctorEdgeWild · 02-10-2020 1:27pm

There's no short term cheap electric cars, there are loads of cheap petrol/diesel cars.

Silent Running · 02-10-2020 1:29pm

illumin wrote: »

If you live in rural Ireland, not near any sort of public transport... I'm afraid it makes sense to a lot of people.

I do. It still doesn't, to me anyway.

punisher5112 · 02-10-2020 1:30pm

It's ok the greens will add €10k onto cars....

theteal · 02-10-2020 1:32pm

Ah cars are just 3yr disposable subscriptions these days (the planet is fooked), they come with a guaranteed return figure after the term is up. EVs are still properly expensive. Maybe in 3yrs they'll make more sense.

irishgeo · 02-10-2020 1:32pm

Silent Running wrote: »

I do. It still doesn't, to me anyway.

The electrical vehicle tech is changing so fast now. You could be left with a worthless electric vehicle too. That no-one wants to buy.

kanuseeme · 02-10-2020 1:34pm

100 euro on top of the road tax for diesel cars would probably sway a lot of people from diesel, and hint at it that next year will be the same.

punisher5112 · 02-10-2020 1:39pm

kanuseeme wrote: »

100 euro on top of the road tax for diesel cars would probably sway a lot of people from diesel, and hint at it that next year will be the same.

Motor tax, €100 on top of €180 or €200 chape tax won't cause much fuss.

Silent Running · 02-10-2020 1:46pm

irishgeo wrote: »

The electrical vehicle tech is changing so fast now. You could be left with a worthless electric vehicle too. That no-one wants to buy.

What tech is changing fast?

Battery tech? Nope, nothing new or revolutionary on the horizon.

Motor tech? Nope, still the same old electric motor as there ever has been.

The rest of the car is just, well, a car.

Looking forward to your information, maybe I missed something.

eagerv · 02-10-2020 1:50pm

theteal wrote: »

Ah cars are just 3yr disposable subscriptions these days (the planet is fooked), they come with a guaranteed return figure after the term is up. EVs are still properly expensive. Maybe in 3yrs they'll make more sense.

Yes true to a certain extent, but so are petrol/diesel when new.

VW are pricing the ID.3 similar enough to an auto Golf Diesel from about €33K. (Or less when series production properly starts)

But I expect the total cost of ownership of the EV to be a lot less.

Granted it will take a while for more affordable second hand higher range EVs to filter down. But a car such as the Hyundai Ioniq would suit many average mileage (Or long commute) drivers. They can be got from around €18K with full warranty of around 2 years left. Plus a long battery warranty remaining.

micks_address · 02-10-2020 1:50pm

i would have been all for a EV before covid.. my mileage was about 26k km per year... now im working for home and tracking about 6k km this year... im happy i bought petrol in February.. to get a similar size car in ev id have had to spent at least 10k more... makes no financial sense

FaganJr · 02-10-2020 1:51pm

Was going to buy a 2015 leaf last year for around 15k
Imported a 2016 Astra from for 7k cleared
Money talks
Plenty of these cars will be around for decades to come.

liamog · 02-10-2020 1:52pm

theteal wrote: »

Ah cars are just 3yr disposable subscriptions these days (the planet is fooked), they come with a guaranteed return figure after the term is up. EVs are still properly expensive. Maybe in 3yrs they'll make more sense.

You do realise that after 3 years the car is sold on to another buyer, car's aren't scrapped at the end of a PCP. If too many cars enter the market as new, the price of second hand cars will reduce due to over supply, we're still importing a large number of second hand cars from the UK, which implies there are not enough new cars sold here to service the Irish demand for second hand vehicles.

BorneTobyWilde · 02-10-2020 1:52pm

They should not be selling diesel cars in 2020, lack of education, a lot of older people will buy their diesel like they have done for past 30 years.

BorneTobyWilde · 02-10-2020 1:54pm

Small diesel cars should be banned, no need for a Golf diesel, a 1.0 tsi is faster and more refined.

FaganJr · 02-10-2020 2:04pm

Silent Running wrote:

Battery tech? Nope, nothing new or revolutionary on the horizon.

You must have missed Tesla battery day

Silent Running · 02-10-2020 2:06pm

FaganJr wrote: »

You must have missed Tesla battery day

Thanks for making my point. Tesla battery day is widely seen as more of the same, even by the Tesla fanbase.

Was there something there that I missed? Do tell.

FaganJr · 02-10-2020 2:08pm

Silent Running wrote:

Was there something there that I missed? Do tell.

I took time out of my day to watch it, there were a number of new innovations.
But I'm not here to feed you info.

Silent Running · 02-10-2020 2:11pm

FaganJr wrote: »

I took time out of my day to watch it, there were a number of new innovations.
But I'm not here to feed you info.

I'll take it that you have no info to feed me then.

There were some proposed new battery chemistry changes. But nothing that I would call revolutionary.

Battery tech will evolve. Energy density and packaging solutions will emerge. But revolution? I just don't see it.

graememk · 02-10-2020 2:12pm

illumin wrote: »

If you live in rural Ireland, not near any sort of public transport... I'm afraid it makes sense to a lot of people.

Silent Running wrote: »

I do. It still doesn't, to me anyway.

I second Silent Runnings, Rural, and do at least 320km /week, can be up to 600, Saving a fortune on Fuel costs, Priced an auto Sportage at the same time as the e-niro, wasnt a huge difference. And we've already saved the difference in fuel+tax.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Small diesel cars should be banned, no need for a Golf diesel, a 1.0 tsi is faster and more refined.

Business's cant claim the VAT back on petrol, but thats a taxation issue

FaganJr wrote: »

You must have missed Tesla battery day

Nothing Revolutionary there, Different internal batteries, maybe denser packed. Nothing really will change on the user side.

micks_address · 02-10-2020 2:12pm

FaganJr wrote: »

I took time out of my day to watch it, there were a number of new innovations.
But I'm not here to feed you info.

i think it was mostly regarded as a let down.. followed by steep decline in tesla share price.. they are talking about a cheaper car in 3 years... nothing to write home about... a million mile battery which really means nothing... who's going to keep a car for a tenth of that...

BorneTobyWilde · 02-10-2020 2:15pm

Need to change that then so then can claim vat on petrol. Also need to make it that petrol is ALWAYS cheaper at the pumps than diesel.

FaganJr · 02-10-2020 2:16pm

Silent Running wrote:

I'll take it that you have no info to feed me then.

OK mate ðŸ‘Œ

Busman Paddy Lasty · 02-10-2020 2:20pm

Silent Running wrote: »

What tech is changing fast?

Battery tech? Nope, nothing new or revolutionary on the horizon.

Motor tech? Nope, still the same old electric motor as there ever has been.

The rest of the car is just, well, a car.

Looking forward to your information, maybe I missed something.

Don't forget your 7 year warranty.

blackbox · 02-10-2020 2:22pm

celtic_oz wrote: »

Its as if the want to maximize their depreciation ahead of the electric avalanche

90% are legacy oil burners :eek:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/1001/1168707-simi-car-registration-figures/

I don't have access to the data myself, but the figure of 90% that you use must include petrol and hybrid cars, so I suspect the proportion of oil burners (diesels) is closer to 45%.

celtic_oz · 02-10-2020 3:56pm

blackbox wrote: »

I don't have access to the data myself, but the figure of 90% that you use must include petrol and hybrid cars, so I suspect the proportion of oil burners (diesels) is closer to 45%.

No as petrol is a byproduct of oil and hence is included in the class of oil burners.

Hybrids unless they are phevs get all their energy from fuel ( petrol = oil ) and thus are also oil burners ( whatever toyota say :rolleyes: )

I'll conceed phevs to round down to 85% are oil burners.

Was going to buy a 2015 leaf last year for around 15k
Imported a 2016 Astra from for 7k cleared
Money talks. Plenty of these cars will be around for decades to come.

Smart man, though this thread is about "Amazed by people buying new oil burners right now "

Why not, EV's are costly with huge limitations to those without home charging and the pubic charging infrastructure is appalling which further impacts range

Nothing new here .. just amazed people dont wait or buy second hand to limit their exposure.

Not everyone is drinking the EV juice yet

YET, indeed

Thierry12 · 02-10-2020 6:27pm

micks_address wrote: »

i would have been all for a EV before covid.. my mileage was about 26k km per year... now im working for home and tracking about 6k km this year... im happy i bought petrol in February.. to get a similar size car in ev id have had to spent at least 10k more... makes no financial sense

Very true

WFH has made a huge difference, know plenty of people that have became 1 car households now, no need for the 2nd car anymore

With WFH a €1,000 car will do me

Would love a quick EV like the ID3

Even if prices come down to €25,000 for a similar car in a few years it still won't make finacial sense for me, would just be me buying something nice for myself.

I spend about €20 a week on fuel now, i'll get a PS5 and get a copy of the new Gran Turismo to try out those cars instead :pac:

Amazed by people buying new oil burners right now

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