Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

bb1234567 · 02-10-2020 09:28AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

in fairness, the agenda is wrong, but the first 8 points are factually correct.

Most people don't consider conspiracy theories facts..hence it being posted in jest and mocked by other posters

bb1234567 · 02-10-2020 09:29AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to be back :cool:

Excellent gif haha

BringBackMick · 02-10-2020 09:30AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to be back :cool:

I wonder will we see a tailing off in posts from other posters on your return:pac::D

Jackman25 · 02-10-2020 09:30AM

alentejo wrote: »

I think there was a certain element of "fear" which may have started to impact numbers before the restrictions came in.

I don't think so. The last night before the restaurants and pubs closed, they were absolutely mobbed in my area. Very little fear.

bb1234567 · 02-10-2020 09:35AM

Jackman25 wrote: »

I don't think so. The last night before the restaurants and pubs closed, they were absolutely mobbed in my area. Very little fear.

There would have been fear among vulnerable groups . My grandmother and sick grandfather began self isolating long before the new restrictions, when numbers started growing again in late summer. It is likely a big contributing factor to the low death rate currently , that these kind of people are remaining very cautious

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 09:35AM

Ryanair lose the high court case against the state with the court pointing out there's no law against travel hence Ryanair didn't have a case.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1311946313286680576?s=19

Beasty · 02-10-2020 09:36AM

Cork restaurant thread merged as it's been covered extensively in the main thread since it was announced yesterday evening

02-10-2020 09:39AM

Could they bring in level 3 before next weekend in Cork? Or do they only review it every few weeks? We have a wedding next Saturday with 5 people to kit out head to toe clothes wise, I have been leaving it to last minute.

I know no one can say for sure, but if there is technically a chance I might hold off. Thanks

JDD · 02-10-2020 09:42AM

Whoever wrote that poster just plucked all the percentages out of their *rse.

What do people think of the "circuit breaker" theory of lockdowns? I.e. that we do a March style shutdown, including closing schools, across the whole country for three weeks and then we get back to level 2 or level 1 restrictions?

My personal view is that these semi-lockdowns - i.e. levels 3 and 4 - don't work. You're keeping some aspects of society open because of their importance to society (schools) or the economy (shops and pubs) but closing other things that have less infection risk like attendance at matches and small gatherings in houses. People get frustrated when they can't have a birthday party in their house but they can in a restaurant. It's also extremely detrimental to the economy if you think you will be constantly adjusting up and down through levels 2 to 4, and therefore people don't plan anything because they don't want to see it cancelled.

A three week circuit breaker could work. If we did what we did from 27 March to 17 April again - stay at home, cocoon the elderly, essential journeys only, stay within 5k of your house, stand 2m back from everyone - I think we'd find that infections would plummet.

From an economic point of view, wouldn't it be better to pay the covid payment for three weeks, and then let everything open again, rather than pay a smaller number of people the covid payment spread out over a longer period of time? And if we got infections way down, we'd be paying less money to the health service for all the surge resources we'd need.

Santy2015 · 02-10-2020 09:44AM

Can’t stand this gobby c**t!! Just spews negativity everywhere! Rtes best! A lot of other scientists and governments will disagree with this

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1311721042927329282?s=21

odyssey06 · 02-10-2020 09:44AM

JDD wrote: »

What do people think of the "circuit breaker" theory of lockdowns? I.e. that we do a March style shutdown, including closing schools, across the whole country for three weeks and then we get back to level 2 or level 1 restrictions?

My instinct is that we will see happen around Christmas.
No politician wants to have to come out and say don't visit loves on on Christmas Day.
So I think we'll have a 'circuit break' before and after, to throttle down the risk from the Christmas get togethers, and then to contain it.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 09:46AM

Sudden loss of smell is the big symptom, according to this piece.

Four out of five people who suddenly lost their senses of smell or taste tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies, new research indicates.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-four-out-of-five-with-sudden-loss-of-smell-or-taste-had-covid-19-study-finds-12087450

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-10-2020 09:47AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to be back :cool:

Welcome back. I'm strapped in and ready for regular updates of global despair.

GooglePlus · 02-10-2020 09:48AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Can’t stand this gobby c**t!! Just spews negativity everywhere! Rtes best! A lot of other scientists and governments will disagree with this

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1311721042927329282?s=21

They would disagree alright.

The CEPI, the body of scientists, investors and distributors along the supply chain, have advised that we'd have enough to vaccinate 1 billion by the end of 2021, with 2022 realistically being the year that sees wider public vaccination.

So he's about a year out according to the body over the distribution of the vaccines themselves.

Non solum non ambulabit · 02-10-2020 09:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could they bring in level 3 before next weekend in Cork? Or do they only review it every few weeks? We have a wedding next Saturday with 5 people to kit out head to toe clothes wise, I have been leaving it to last minute.

I know no one can say for sure, but if there is technically a chance I might hold off. Thanks

Chances are any change to levels in Cork will be discussed by Nphet next Thursday. If they recommend Level 3 then the govt are likely to accept and it will come into force on midnight next Friday night.

petes · 02-10-2020 09:52AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Can’t stand this gobby c**t!! Just spews negativity everywhere! Rtes best! A lot of other scientists and governments will disagree with this

I don't get this, if you can't stand this guy why are you following him on twitter and then also subsequently posting it here, doesn't make sense.

bb1234567 · 02-10-2020 09:53AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sudden loss of smell is the big symptom, according to this piece.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-four-out-of-five-with-sudden-loss-of-smell-or-taste-had-covid-19-study-finds-12087450

Pretty remarkable, it's very good news that we are now aware of such a distinct symptom , it will help a lot of people know quickly whether it's covid or just another respiratory virus

02-10-2020 09:54AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Chance are any change to Levels in Cork will be discussed by Nphet next Thursday. If they recommend Level 3 then the govt are likely to accept and it will come into force on midnight next Friday night.

I might hold off so, the hassel of bringing everything back wouldn't be worth it and the kids grow like weeds so they might not fit in a few weeks/months. The bride and groom have said if level 3 comes in they are putting it off.

I am off next Friday so it will be a mad dash around town if it stays at level 2!

Ger Roe · 02-10-2020 09:55AM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Chances are any change to levels in Cork will be discussed by Nphet next Thursday. If they recommend Level 3 then the govt are likely to accept and it will come into force on midnight next Friday night.

The medics will say whatever they have to, whenever it is necessary. The politicians have tended to hear what they say and then wait for opportune announcement times, or PR briefings, but they have been roasted for that before.

Basically, if changes are needed, they (medics) won't be restricted by a pre-defined meeting schedule.

JDD · 02-10-2020 10:01AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sudden loss of smell is the big symptom, according to this piece.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-four-out-of-five-with-sudden-loss-of-smell-or-taste-had-covid-19-study-finds-12087450

Hmmm. What that means is that a large proportion of those who suddenly lose sense of taste or smell have coronavirus.

What it doesn't mean is a large proportion of those with coronavirus suddenly lose their taste or smell.

JDD · 02-10-2020 10:08AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

My instinct is that we will see happen around Christmas.
No politician wants to have to come out and say don't visit loves on on Christmas Day.
So I think we'll have a 'circuit break' before and after, to throttle down the risk from the Christmas get togethers, and then to contain it.

I also think this. I heard Dr Glynn saying something akin to this on the radio yesterday, in that stricter measures may be needed in order for a normal Christmas to occur - and he didn't mention anything to say depending on the level of infection or whatever.

I think that it would be a good idea to do it from mid November to the first week of December. Then leave the two weeks before Christmas, and the week up to New Years Day down at level 2 or level 1. If we have the "circuit break" in December it will absolutely crush high street shops and restaurants. There needs to be some time for those retail outlets to recover some income.

I have to say, I'm often a last minute shopper in December. This is the first year that I have got my sh*t together and I have bought a lot of Christmas presents already. I'm just worried we'll be left in the lurch with a shutdown in December and every website saying that it'll take three weeks for deliveries.

caveat emptor · 02-10-2020 10:17AM

Sweden is implementing family isolation rules.
Great to see them coping on.

https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1311930829996617730?s=20

Hurrache · 02-10-2020 10:18AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ryanair lose the high court case against the state with the court pointing out there's no law against travel hence Ryanair didn't have a case.

I don't know why they needed the high court to tell them that since posters on this forum made the same bloody point back when they initiated the case.

alentejo · 02-10-2020 10:18AM

JDD wrote: »

I also think this. I heard Dr Glynn saying something akin to this on the radio yesterday, in that stricter measures may be needed in order for a normal Christmas to occur - and he didn't mention anything to say depending on the level of infection or whatever.

I think that it would be a good idea to do it from mid November to the first week of December. Then leave the two weeks before Christmas, and the week up to New Years Day down at level 2 or level 1. If we have the "circuit break" in December it will absolutely crush high street shops and restaurants. There needs to be some time for those retail outlets to recover some income.

I have to say, I'm often a last minute shopper in December. This is the first year that I have got my sh*t together and I have bought a lot of Christmas presents already. I'm just worried we'll be left in the lurch with a shutdown in December and every website saying that it'll take three weeks for deliveries.

I wonder would it be counter productive to have a 3 week circuit breaker from mid Nov to early dec. Non essential retail may be closed which might condense Xmas shopping to 2/3 weeks in Dec.

I have a gut feeling the thing which might supress this virus could be some atrocious weather over the next few weeks where people might be more inclined to stay at home!

Hurrache · 02-10-2020 10:20AM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Can’t stand this gobby c**t!! Just spews negativity everywhere! Rtes best! A lot of other scientists and governments will disagree with this

https://twitter.com/boucherhayes/status/1311721042927329282?s=21

What's with people getting upset when someone literally just posts numbers from models and research.

Just don't read the bloody thing then if you're getting your knickers in a twist and can't handle it or don't want to know about it.

For someone who claims they cant's stand someone and uses a pathetic insult, you still seem to follow and interact with his tweets. Why?

GooglePlus wrote: »

So he's about a year out according to the body over the distribution of the vaccines themselves.

I don't think "he's" anything to do with that particular bit of research.

is_that_so · 02-10-2020 10:22AM

alentejo wrote: »

I wonder would it be counter productive to have a 3 week circuit breaker from mid Nov to early dec. Non essential retail may be closed which might condense Xmas shopping to 2/3 weeks in Dec.

I have a gut feeling the thing which might supress this virus could be some atrocious weather over the next few weeks where people might be more inclined to stay at home!

Like the playing around with Levels 2,3,3.14,almost 4 etc. it's all a bit of guesswork. With Levels they can be extended or rejigged, with a so-called circuit breaker they will lose all public credibility if 2 weeks becomes 6.

stephenjmcd · 02-10-2020 10:24AM

Hurrache wrote: »

I don't know why they needed the high court to tell them that since posters on this forum made the same bloody point back when they initiated the case.

Yup, didn't need a court to tell them that. Their own lawyers should have known.

Probably more to highlight the fact that there isn't a law against it. Expensive PR exercise

ginoginelli · 02-10-2020 10:36AM

JDD wrote: »

I also think this. I heard Dr Glynn saying something akin to this on the radio yesterday, in that stricter measures may be needed in order for a normal Christmas to occur - and he didn't mention anything to say depending on the level of infection or whatever.

I think that it would be a good idea to do it from mid November to the first week of December. Then leave the two weeks before Christmas, and the week up to New Years Day down at level 2 or level 1. If we have the "circuit break" in December it will absolutely crush high street shops and restaurants. There needs to be some time for those retail outlets to recover some income.

I have to say, I'm often a last minute shopper in December. This is the first year that I have got my sh*t together and I have bought a lot of Christmas presents already. I'm just worried we'll be left in the lurch with a shutdown in December and every website saying that it'll take three weeks for deliveries.

Level 1 or 2 restrictions around christmas is just asking for it. With the pubs and restaurants open, as well as multiple people allowed to meet up - cases and clusters would likely rocket. Then we would be going into January, one of the highest flu rate months, and were hospitals have been close to breaking point the past few years.

JDD · 02-10-2020 10:44AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Like the playing around with Levels 2,3,3.14,almost 4 etc. it's all a bit of guesswork. With Levels they can be extended or rejigged, with a so-called circuit breaker they will lose all public credibility if 2 weeks becomes 6.

I agree. That's why I was thinking three weeks rather than two. And you absolutely would have to go back down to level 2 at the end of the three weeks, but if you got people's buy in, with the knowledge that they could organise that family gathering in three week's time people might actually adhere to it? In theory, with buy in, infections should plummet.

I mean think about it. I'm sticking to the rules at the moment in Dublin. But I'm still allowing my kids have playdates. My parents still take the kids on a Friday. I'm still going to shopping centres at the weekend and going to friends houses for coffee. Now I'm trying not to organise things myself, but if someone invites me I'm very reluctant to say "oh, no thanks, I'm trying to reduce my contacts" because that's basically sounds like "Actually, I don't want to go even though it's allowed under the restrictions, and you're just not a good enough friend to make the cut". And I'm keeping to the rules - what about everyone that is having groups over to their house or employers that are continuing to insist that employees attend the office? Level 3 restrictions simply aren't going to make the inroads that NPHET hope they will and neither will Level 4.

So we'll be left in this Level 2/3/4 limbo indefinitely which will only increase people's fatigue with the rules and crush the economy more.

Of course a full three week lockdown would entail having to be honest and clear with the population, with a St. Patrick's Day style address and with clear policing and regulations to support it. Which is absolutely too much to hope for from this government so I'd say this isn't really a runner.

wadacrack · 02-10-2020 10:48AM

JDD wrote: »

I also think this. I heard Dr Glynn saying something akin to this on the radio yesterday, in that stricter measures may be needed in order for a normal Christmas to occur - and he didn't mention anything to say depending on the level of infection or whatever.

I think that it would be a good idea to do it from mid November to the first week of December. Then leave the two weeks before Christmas, and the week up to New Years Day down at level 2 or level 1. If we have the "circuit break" in December it will absolutely crush high street shops and restaurants. There needs to be some time for those retail outlets to recover some income.

I have to say, I'm often a last minute shopper in December. This is the first year that I have got my sh*t together and I have bought a lot of Christmas presents already. I'm just worried we'll be left in the lurch with a shutdown in December and every website saying that it'll take three weeks for deliveries.

Thats a terrible idea and could quickly turn into a Christmas from hell. People need to stop thinking about short term gains. Priority at the moment should be getting and keep the R number below 1.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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