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Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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  • #4832
    eagle eye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    douglashyde wrote:
    But my point remains the same; we need to seriously protect those who are (1) over a certain age and (2) have very specific health issues - all the while, letting the rest of society get on with it and to stop living in daily fear, as the news reader announces the daily case numbers,
    You should be living carefully, not taking any unnecessary chances. Clearly there are too many people not listening.
    This news needs to be aired daily until everybody falls in line and the numbers start to drop.


  • #4833
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    flanna01 wrote: »
    Look at this from a different angle..

    All I see here is finger pointing and playing the blame game.

    As a non medical person (apart from my excellent ability to diagnose any condition thanks to Dr Googles), lets take a step back, and look at the bigger picture (Shur it's nor always about Dublin..)

    Does it not strike you as odd, that France, Spain, Germany, UK, ourselves and many more are going through a second wave at the same time (don't nit pick here, you know what I mean). Is our restrictions and mask coverings all in vein??

    I can understand a country like the UK having a second spike, they really do not give two hoots about the pandemic (Ref: Family working for Police force - Non Stop house parties and drinking dens everywhere). But somewhere like Germany who have a sensible population...? That concerns me..

    I am inclined to think, that no matter what we do, the waves will keep on coming until the virus is finally put to bed (eradicated)

    Driving to the bank this afternoon... It was a tale of two cities.. Some people are masked up and beyond, either out robbing or expecting the end of days... The others, mainly social distancing, limiting their interactions.... For what? The numbers are still going up..

    Lock downs are not the answer - You are only locking down the compliant citizens.. The others find a way.

    I had business in Donegal, Westport and Bray recently... The amount of people supping pints and socialising from a supposedly locked down County was shocking... I asked the waiter what the craic was - He told me there is coaches coming over every weekend, can't get enough bar staff in to cover it..

    I was down in Waterford three weeks ago, guess who I met in the Hotel restaurant.....?? My brethren from the big smoke..

    Now, Im not having a go at the Dubs at all.. Plenty of my buddies were doing the same when locked down previously. I can assure anybody reading this thread, there are house parties going on 24/7, think otherwise and you are a fool..

    Maybe people should take a chill pill... The youth are sick of this, the young adults are sick of this, the middle ages are sick of this, the elderly are sick of this... How many people have family and loved ones living in England / Abroad?? Not seen them since all this started?

    Im not buying the rise in numbers is soley down to people getting lazy.. It's happening at the same time all over Europe and further a field.. The waves will keep on coming until we kill it off / or vaccine against it..

    Very well said, and the science backs this too. Were seasonality plays and environmental factors play a huge part.

    No doubt we can make a dent in case numbers through draconian measures but the debate needs to be had at what cost, and for what?


  • #4834
    Renjit
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    This just gives me a thought that if anything like this happens then probably New Zealand and Australia will be the only ones alive since they are disconnected to a greater degree from other countries.


  • #4835
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    eagle eye wrote: »
    You should be living carefully, not taking any unnecessary chances. Clearly there are too many people not listening.
    This news needs to be aired daily until everybody falls in line and the numbers start to drop.


    I should add, everyone has a base level of responsibility. Wash hands, distance, mask up, close clubs massive gatherings etc.

    But living carefully for CV19 needs to be balanced and that doesn't include closing sectors, stopping travel, limiting family events.


  • #4836
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    douglashyde wrote: »
    I should add, everyone has a base level of responsibility. Wash hands, distance, mask up, close clubs massive gatherings etc.

    But living carefully for CV19 needs to be balanced and that doesn't include closing sectors, stopping travel, limiting family events.

    The balance is keep it out the best you can and then whack-a-mole, if you take the retard approach it’s simply going overwhelm your society and destroy your quality of life.


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  • #4837
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    douglashyde wrote: »
    I should add, everyone has a base level of responsibility. Wash hands, distance, mask up, close clubs massive gatherings etc.

    But living carefully for CV19 needs to be balanced and that doesn't include closing sectors, stopping travel, limiting family events.

    Said I wouldn't but here goes anyway ;)
    Again quoting American risk factors ,not the same as us as a different demographic in relation to extreme obesity . read the Irish data.
    You are dreaming if you think that diabetes type 1 are not affected by this .
    Any issue with blood sugar control dials up the inflammatory response and that compounds thrombolytic effects and cardiovascular damage .
    Happens as much with type 1 as 2 .
    First thing that happens when you have any type of diabetes and you get an infection, your sugars go up or go haywire..you should know this.
    Be careful , is all I can say to you now .


  • #4838
    US2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1310969615821008896?s=19


  • #4839
    douglashyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭douglashyde


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Said I wouldn't but here goes anyway ;)
    Again quoting American risk factors ,not the same as us as a different demographic in relation to extreme obesity . read the Irish data.
    You are dreaming if you think that diabetes type 1 are not affected by this .
    Any issue with blood sugar control dials up the inflammatory response and that compounds thrombolytic effects and cardiovascular damage .
    Happens as much with type 1 as 2 .
    First thing that happens when you have any type of diabetes and you get an infection, your sugars go up or go haywire..you should know this.
    Be careful , is all I can say to you now .

    The HSE data says the exact same thing. If we can’t agree on on established facts from John Hopkins University then you’re correct about one thing- there isn’t much to talk about.


  • #4840
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,549 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    douglashyde wrote: »
    The HSE data says the exact same thing. If we can’t agree on on established facts from John Hopkins University then you’re correct about one thing- there isn’t much to talk about.

    Jeez, if you look at ANY data , Diabetes is up in the top 3 high risk factors .
    Why do you persist in putting it at the bottom ?


  • #4841
    dodzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,526 ✭✭✭✭dodzy


    Arghus wrote: »
    I have seen a handful of people not wearing masks over the last couple of weeks. They are in the extreme, extreme minority but, yeah, there does seem to be a slight amount more of them about recently.

    It's not that surprising that there's some people out there that don't wear masks. Some people just aren't going to do it no matter what, but, thankfully they are extremely rare. Of course according to some sections of this forum loads of people are raging against the machine by not wearing them. Well those Freedom Fighters are rare in reality in my experience.
    Well you want to see the amount of people in Blanchardstown SC recently not wearing them. Some shops would ask at the door only to be told "I've asma…….. ". Pure scangers a plenty.


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  • #4842
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    For anyone calling for Gardai to do x,y &z and enter people's houses worth reading what the commissioner thinks. He doesn't want those powers.


    "The Garda Commissioner has said gardaí do not have the power under the health regulations to break up house parties or large gatherings if there are no breaches of the criminal law.

    Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/


  • #4843
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,446 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    Arghus wrote: »
    I have seen a handful of people not wearing masks over the last couple of weeks. They are in the extreme, extreme minority but, yeah, there does seem to be a slight amount more of them about recently.

    It's not that surprising that there's some people out there that don't wear masks. Some people just aren't going to do it no matter what, but, thankfully they are extremely rare. Of course according to some sections of this forum loads of people are raging against the machine by not wearing them. Well those Freedom Fighters are rare in reality in my experience.

    Perhaps they have a reason not to wear them. There are quite alot of reasons listed in guidance when you do not have to wear mask and to mark all people without mask as Freedom Fighters is not right.
    I am one of them and I am most certainly not a freedom fighter. My condition will not allow me to be one even if I wanted to.


  • #4844
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So do you think the 40 year old in ICU with the heart attack who has just tested positive for Covid , is going to be just as fast recovering as someone without Covid ?
    Or that surgery on the 30 year old with the broken leg who is also positive for Covid , will be similarly uncomplicated ?

    No...and you know that was not my point. But when people hear 100 people are in hospital with covid 19 they presume(as I did) they were admitted because of complications arising from covid 19. But that's not always the case.


  • #4845
    Goldrickssan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 387 ✭✭Goldrickssan


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    No, the answer is that most transmission is occurring where people are not wearing masks, in houses, pubs and restaurants.

    And schools


  • #4846
    SeaBreezes
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    For anyone calling for Gardai to do x,y &z and enter people's houses worth reading what the commissioner thinks. He doesn't want those powers.


    "The Garda Commissioner has said gardaí do not have the power under the health regulations to break up house parties or large gatherings if there are no breaches of the criminal law.

    Drew Harris also warned of the dangers of an "authoritarian" policing response and said he would not be in favour of granting gardaí powers to enter people's homes."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/crime/2020/0930/1168529-policing-authority-garda-commissioner/

    Quite Right too.


  • #4847
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,363 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes.
    Hospital beds , and nurses are not unlimited .
    Squeeze is on already .
    Last week I was saying on here that there were only 14 adult vacant beds in ICU left in Dublin that could be used , ie enough nurses to staff and unreserved for major procedures .
    Today there are 9 , maybe less this evening .
    No beds and elective surgeries will be the first thing to be cancelled.
    Unless HSE get a move on with their private hospital agreement .

    If we really are truly that tight on icu beds then the general public and business owners are paying the price for a woefully mismanaged health service.
    I hope we never have a major train crash, plane crash or large scale disaster because by the sounds of it critical care in this country is a shambles (the provision of, not the actual care)


  • #4848
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    prunudo wrote: »
    If we really are truly that tight on icu beds then the general public and business owners are paying the price for a woefully mismanaged health service.
    I hope we never have a major train crash, plane crash or large scale disaster because by the sounds of it critical care in this country is a shambles.

    Always has been, our Health system has always been inadequate in terms of scale for the population.


  • #4849
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    normanoffside wrote: »
    That's cos most people have come to the realisation that the whole sanitising your hands 100 times a day is pure OCD rubbish

    How do ya figure that?


  • #4850
    Stormyteacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,008 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Some interesting data on risk factors from HSPC linked here - bearing in mind 79% of deaths were in those aged 75+, the two biggest risk factors found in mortalities were chronic heart disease, 43% and chronic neurological disease, 34%.

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/underlyingconditionsreports/Underlying%20conditions%20summary_Final_28092020.pdf

    I know there is another argument to be had that someone with any of the risk factors, even if mortality risk is very low, could become sick enough to need a hospital bed, and put more pressure on the health system to cope.

    If I was in a high risk category I would like to be know the stats to enable me make an informed risk assessment for living my life.

    Edited to add that 20% of people admitted to ICU had a BMI greater that 40.


  • #4851
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    Always has been, our Health system has always been inadequate in terms of scale for the population.

    Yet we are paying a fortune into it and it is mismanaged.

    The HSE has an open cheque book and is still mismanaging things.

    Maybe it is time now to make the radical changes with the private’s being contracted to provide a higher degree of public service patients.

    I know this is ****ty on private patients who have paid their insurance but everyone agrees the current system is unsustainable and inefficient.

    I am ok with a national health levy to help pay for this.


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  • #4852
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    For people saying lockdowns don't work, Italy proves they do. It was successful in stemming the severity of the hit from Northern Italy to the poorer Southern areas. Then look at Melbourne, they saw a harsh lockdown that has resulted in their cases being suppressed. There is also evidence to suggest that the local restrictions in the UK is working, infection rates are slowing.


  • #4853
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    For people saying lockdowns don't work, Italy proves they do. It was successful in stemming the severity of the hit from Northern Italy to the poorer Southern areas. Then look at Melbourne, they saw a harsh lockdown that has resulted in their cases being suppressed. There is also evidence to suggest that the local restrictions in the UK is working, infection rates are slowing.

    They work, but not sustainable to keep transmission rates low without effective testing and tracing within communities and airports. Most countries in Europe failing badly at this. Rapid and mass testing badly needed


  • #4854
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Stormyteacup wrote: »
    If I was in a high risk category I would like to be know the stats to enable me make an informed risk assessment for living my life.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114774979&postcount=4295

    Short answer is that we need more data. If you are over 65 you should consider yourself high risk for covid in general, forget about pre-existing conditions; you probably already have one.

    We need data specifically on the under-65 cohort to see what the big underlying conditions are. I'm sure heart and lung conditions are way up there. But 33% won't have degenerative brain diseases.


  • #4855
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    wadacrack wrote: »
    They work, but not sustainable to keep transmission rates low without effective testing and tracing within communities and airports. Most countries in Europe failing badly at this. Rapid and mass testing badly needed

    Yes certainly agree as a medium to long term strategy for dealing with it.


  • #4856
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    Interesting thread on a choir superseeding event. (Aerosol transmission)

    https://mobile.twitter.com/jljcolorado/status/1306450428867964930

    FAQ on Aerosol transmission

    FAQ


  • #4857
    Pablo Escobar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 726 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    US2 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1310969615821008896?s=19

    Yes, and that's where the "re-infection" stories are likely coming from. There's been nothing really clear-cut yet on re-infections which has to give us some cautious optimism.


  • #4858
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    US2 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/MlMcNamaraTD/status/1310969615821008896?s=19

    Like to hear more about this when we're hearing about increased cases, how many are dubious?


  • #4859
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,762 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "The process of verifying positive cases detected via the LAMP (Loop-mediated isothermal amplification) method of testing is leading to concerns over delays in tracking and tracing the spread of the virus."

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311579866005987329?s=19


  • #4860
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/kj_seung/status/1311443943872180224


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  • #4861
    PhilipsR
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 723 ✭✭✭PhilipsR


    The government has lost the public's confidence. This has happened through complete inability to lead the country with any sort of cohesive plan when coming out of the lockdown, no joined up thinking. All that lockdown in March for no reason.

    1. No attempt to increase ICU capacity (surely that's step number 1 of living with Covid?!).
    2. Didn't original contact tracers go back to their day job for a while rather than being ready to go when cases inevitably went up in June? So that caused delays.
    3. The fact they are only now looking at clusters with the example of how 2 people then caused 30 cases is good, but it's 3 months too late! The horse has bolted and there's too many cases to effectively do it country wide.

    No point in pointing fingers at anyone other than those in the Dail, they've failed to lead. It's as simple as that.


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