Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

caveat emptor · 30-09-2020 11:25PM

Public health advice being overruled by employers.
Shocker. Gotta get that extra productivity, WFH is only a recommendation.
Dr Glynn saying "this is becoming a national issue"
Wonder what that means

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1311388813164531724?s=20

30-09-2020 11:26PM

growleaves wrote: »

If you cheer for the following story you are a lost soul:

Cops In Pakistan’s Faisalabad Are Using Shock Devices to Punish People For Not Wearing Masks

sure are you surprised?? they were raping young kids in gangs a few years ago and throwing them in ditches FFS..we are not a third world yet!

freak scence · 30-09-2020 11:28PM

speckle wrote: »

Some not so good news, but potentially good news(further down article re meds that block virus entry)

Article discussing a pre- print, but links to with previous work from the country of presumed origin as well as the recent research. Links in the article to the scientific/medical research journals.

https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-news-covid-19-study-reveals-that-sars-cov-2-uses-cd4-cells-to-infect-t-helper-lymphocytes--covid-19-a-potent-version-of-airborne-hiv

'Remarkably, the same monoclonal antibody that has been used to block HIV entry in CD4+ T cells also blocked SARS-CoV-2 in a dose dependent manner'

Adding the above potential good news from the article as a quote, so it doesn't get lost in the mix. And please read 'airborne...as aerosol/droplet' NOT like as in nuclear radiation, as a few people still get them mixed up, especially, in translating from one language to another.

adam's apple is the giveaway of covid

theguzman · 30-09-2020 11:33PM

I think that pubs should be closed including those serving food, since local pubs reopened around here there has been multiple infections, idiots drunk up in each others faces with zero social distancing and enough spray that a sprinkler in a golf course could not match. We are less than six month from a working vaccine and we should lockdown tighter to curb the spread now.

30-09-2020 11:35PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Public health advice being overruled by employers.
Shocker. Gotta get that extra productivity, WFH is only a recommendation.
Dr Glynn saying "this is becoming a national issue"
Wonder what that means

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1311388813164531724?s=20

So why doesn't Zara king ask, can you divulge the profile of the latest death please?? the press are happy to disclose one child in dun Boyne tested positive in school this week so it's hardly an anonymity thing, simple question, how old were the deaths this week??

30-09-2020 11:37PM

theguzman wrote: »

I think that pubs should be closed including those serving food, since local pubs reopened around here there has been multiple infections, idiots drunk up in each others faces with zero social distancing and enough spray that a sprinkler in a golf course could not match. We are less than six month from a working vaccine and we should lockdown tighter to curb the spread now.

eh we are less than two years from one mate.. and pubs were open all summer serving food.. what changed?? schools went back and meat factories self regulated, giving non nationals paracetamol to drop the temps and beat the centigrade! you don't need to be jim corr to think for yourself...
you know how animals became domesticated?? they killed the wild ones and bred the docile horses!!! this is joke at this stage now.

JP Liz V1 · 30-09-2020 11:37PM

US2 wrote: »

Big numbers coming from Tipperary in the next few days.

Why?

speckle · 30-09-2020 11:38PM

Glad to see they are going to trial, 14 day retrospective contact tracing. But would like to know where and how they will choose when to use it, so the results will not be biased in any one direction.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hse-to-launch-14-day-contract-tracing-to-identify-coronavirus-hot-spots-1.4368695

30-09-2020 11:42PM

speckle wrote: »

Glad to see they are going to trial, 14 day retrospective contact tracing. But would like to know where and how they will choose when to use it, so the results will not be biased in any one direction.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hse-to-launch-14-day-contract-tracing-to-identify-coronavirus-hot-spots-1.4368695

this on a day when the minister for education hired a US company to correct the homework for another contracted company paid by you and me to oversee the leaving cert fiasco?? who's paying for all this??? for advisors who give apparently horrendous advice??
but you're happy they doing this shyte?? 7 months in?? in to Flu season?? and you're posting how great they are?? are you effected in the head?

sorry speckle I don't mean offence but Jesus this is so frustrating, it's slight of hand bull**** in the extreme.
It's social and political engineering and people just think arguing on a website will fix it.

Im off to bed, and off the red Brest!

bb1234567 · 30-09-2020 11:48PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

It appears that many people are just fed up with everything now.

It is very disheartening, I think the March-early summer stint was enough for one lifetime for most people. But the worst part is it feels like we have nothing to show now for all that either, like what is the benefit, considering the sacrifices.

Not that I think it was the worst decision ever at the time, but clearly it wasnt the right way to go, and it's just depressing now.

speckle · 30-09-2020 11:50PM

rusty cole wrote: »

this on a day when the minister for education hired a US company to correct the homework for another contracted company paid by you and me to oversee the leaving cert fiasco?? who's paying for all this??? for advisors who give apparently horrendous advice??
but you're happy they doing this shyte?? 7 months in?? in to Flu season?? and you're posting how great they are?? are you effected in the head?

If you had been reading this thread back in March, you would know I was wanting the government/public health then, to do the above, and also asked people to keep, even on a piece of paper, that they could tear up afterwards a list of close contacts.

SO you misquote me... as I did not say in the original post how great they are but that I was glad to see them FINALLY do it.

And my brain is perfectly fine ..thank you
Edit: apology accepted have a good night sleep, it gets to us all at different time:)

shocksy · 30-09-2020 11:52PM

rusty cole wrote: »

Im off to bed, and off the red Brest!

Thank goodness for that. You belong over in the CT forum.

flanna01 · 30-09-2020 11:53PM

Look at this from a different angle..

All I see here is finger pointing and playing the blame game.

As a non medical person (apart from my excellent ability to diagnose any condition thanks to Dr Googles), lets take a step back, and look at the bigger picture (Shur it's nor always about Dublin..)

Does it not strike you as odd, that France, Spain, Germany, UK, ourselves and many more are going through a second wave at the same time (don't nit pick here, you know what I mean). Is our restrictions and mask coverings all in vein??

I can understand a country like the UK having a second spike, they really do not give two hoots about the pandemic (Ref: Family working for Police force - Non Stop house parties and drinking dens everywhere). But somewhere like Germany who have a sensible population...? That concerns me..

I am inclined to think, that no matter what we do, the waves will keep on coming until the virus is finally put to bed (eradicated)

Driving to the bank this afternoon... It was a tale of two cities.. Some people are masked up and beyond, either out robbing or expecting the end of days... The others, mainly social distancing, limiting their interactions.... For what? The numbers are still going up..

Lock downs are not the answer - You are only locking down the compliant citizens.. The others find a way.

I had business in Donegal, Westport and Bray recently... The amount of people supping pints and socialising from a supposedly locked down County was shocking... I asked the waiter what the craic was - He told me there is coaches coming over every weekend, can't get enough bar staff in to cover it..

I was down in Waterford three weeks ago, guess who I met in the Hotel restaurant.....?? My brethren from the big smoke..

Now, Im not having a go at the Dubs at all.. Plenty of my buddies were doing the same when locked down previously. I can assure anybody reading this thread, there are house parties going on 24/7, think otherwise and you are a fool..

Maybe people should take a chill pill... The youth are sick of this, the young adults are sick of this, the middle ages are sick of this, the elderly are sick of this... How many people have family and loved ones living in England / Abroad?? Not seen them since all this started?

Im not buying the rise in numbers is soley down to people getting lazy.. It's happening at the same time all over Europe and further a field.. The waves will keep on coming until we kill it off / or vaccine against it..

Danno · 01-10-2020 12:00AM

flanna01 wrote: »

Look at this from a different angle..

All I see here is finger pointing and playing the blame game.

As a non medical person (apart from my excellent ability to diagnose any condition thanks to Dr Googles), lets take a step back, and look at the bigger picture (Shur it's nor always about Dublin..)

Does it not strike you as odd, that France, Spain, Germany, UK, ourselves and many more are going through a second wave at the same time (don't nit pick here, you know what I mean). Is our restrictions and mask coverings all in vein??

I can understand a country like the UK having a second spike, they really do not give two hoots about the pandemic (Ref: Family working for Police force - Non Stop house parties and drinking dens everywhere). But somewhere like Germany who have a sensible population...? That concerns me..

I am inclined to think, that no matter what we do, the waves will keep on coming until the virus is finally put to bed (eradicated)

Driving to the bank this afternoon... It was a tale of two cities.. Some people are masked up and beyond, either out robbing or expecting the end of days... The others, mainly social distancing, limiting their interactions.... For what? The numbers are still going up..

Lock downs are not the answer - You are only locking down the compliant citizens.. The others find a way.

I had business in Donegal, Westport and Bray recently... The amount of people supping pints and socialising from a supposedly locked down County was shocking... I asked the waiter what the craic was - He told me there is coaches coming over every weekend, can't get enough bar staff in to cover it..

I was down in Waterford three weeks ago, guess who I met in the Hotel restaurant.....?? My brethren from the big smoke..

Now, Im not having a go at the Dubs at all.. Plenty of my buddies were doing the same when locked down previously. I can assure anybody reading this thread, there are house parties going on 24/7, think otherwise and you are a fool..

Maybe people should take a chill pill... The youth are sick of this, the young adults are sick of this, the middle ages are sick of this, the elderly are sick of this... How many people have family and loved ones living in England / Abroad?? Not seen them since all this started?

Im not buying the rise in numbers is soley down to people getting lazy.. It's happening at the same time all over Europe and further a field.. The waves will keep on coming until we kill it off / or vaccine against it..

Spot on.

The HorsesMouth · 01-10-2020 12:05AM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Quote from Prof Nolan from earlier in press conference:

'Since the 1 August to midnight on 28 September there has been 9,632 cases notified, 269 of those were admitted to hospital… of those – 153 – almost 60% were under 65 and 56, or one in five were under 40, so young people ar unfortunately being hospitalised with this disease.

There were 30 admitted to ICU, of those 22 or three quarters were under 65 and four were under 40, so again that’s severe disease in younger people. '

Can't argue with the data. We could be in a precarious place by early November which would match trend we saw earlier in year, a slow burn. The fact that they are still not emphasizing risk of aerosol infection is a concern. Growing evidence that it can linger in air and beyond two metres for at least an hour. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus/ucd-research-shows-covid-particles-can-remain-airborne-for-over-an-hour-1.4366942%3fmode=amp

But was it not confirmed yesterday that everyone gets tested when you are in hospital for any reason or length of stay. So you are in hospital or ICU with a non covid related ailment i.e broken leg or heart attack and you test positive... you are part of the stats of people admitted to hospital with covid 19.
I actually know of 2 cases of that exact scenario in my locality in the last 3 weeks so I'm sure there are a multitude of these cases across the country.

So you can actually argue with the data.

shmeee · 01-10-2020 12:09AM

US2 wrote: »

Big numbers coming from Tipperary in the next few days.

You host a Covid Party so?

caveat emptor · 01-10-2020 12:17AM

Great to see a national leader understand the public health advice and communicate it to the public. It’s just maths really. MM is trying but there is a clear narrative from some quarters even in his own party, that it’s actually a plandemic.

https://twitter.com/benjalvarez1/status/1311256865481916422?s=21

Rambling Man · 01-10-2020 12:30AM

“I was down in Waterford three weeks ago, guess who I met in the Hotel restaurant.....?? My brethren from the big smoke..”

3 weeks ago, what’s wrong with that?

speckle · 01-10-2020 12:30AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Great to see a national leader understand the public health advice and communicate it to the public. It’s just maths really. MM is trying but there is a clear narrative from some quarters even in his own party, that it’s actually a plandemic.

https://twitter.com/benjalvarez1/status/1311256865481916422?s=21

Maths, but human nature is messy.

But it would be great if we had here, such clear communication, from leaders, in a way that every body could understand and also, importantly to be able to question and expect straight honest answers back, whether good or bad news i.e. to be treated like adults. With a say in how we balance health with all the other things in life that make it, worth living.

WoollyRedHat · 01-10-2020 12:32AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

But was it not confirmed yesterday that everyone gets tested when you are in hospital for any reason or length of stay. So you are in hospital or ICU with a non covid related ailment i.e broken leg or heart attack and you test positive... you are part of the stats of people admitted to hospital with covid 19.
I actually know of 2 cases of that exact scenario in my locality in the last 3 weeks so I'm sure there are a multitude of these cases across the country.

So you can actually argue with the data.

Confirmed by who, do you have a source for that?
Maybe some hospitals are adopting that approach, but not every admission is being tested, that's not true. Those who require procedures are being tested, particularly if you have to put under a general. But if you rock up to A & E with a broken leg, you are not automatically getting tested. People in hospital for any reason are not being automatically tested, unless there was cause for concern that led them to order a test.People being admitted for overnight stays might be different, because more risk involved if they didn't.

More generally speaking, from his statement it seems quite clear to me that he's speaking about people that have been admitted with complications of Covid to hospital or suspected complications due to Covid, not as a co-inciddntal.

JJayoo · 01-10-2020 12:33AM

rusty cole wrote: »

ever see a surgeon in theatre ask the nurse to scratch his nose for him?? every wonder why???

Lol are you mixing up reality and tv again?

Arghus · 01-10-2020 12:33AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Great to see a national leader understand the public health advice and communicate it to the public. It’s just maths really. MM is trying but there is a clear narrative from some quarters even in his own party, that it’s actually a plandemic.

https://twitter.com/benjalvarez1/status/1311256865481916422?s=21

Amongst the many things I shake my head at over in regards to the government this is something that bothers me. Why they just can't communicate the bald facts of the situation.

There's a slow inevitability to this. Cases continue to rise - with slight variations from day to day and within counties and regions - the positivity rate continues to rise, hospital admissions continue to rise. It's obvious that this trajectory can't continue indefinitely - we'll eventually reach a limit where harsher measures will be required, because what we are currently doing now isn't really working.

There's a cast iron mathematical certainty to this: we will eventually run out of hospital beds, we will eventually run out of ICU beds. No government spokesperson has spelt this out - and it's really the fundamental issue and it's pretty black and white.

Jeff2 · 01-10-2020 12:41AM

I was at local shop today and all wearing masks except a some kids with a woman wearing one.

This a change from usually but social distance was nothing.
Her wearing a mask and letting her four kids run around the shop to pick what they want.

Arghus · 01-10-2020 12:48AM

Jeff2 wrote: »

I was at local shop today and all wearing masks except a some kids with a woman wearing one.

This a change from usually but social distance was nothing.
Her wearing a mask and letting her four kids run around the shop to pick what they want.

I have seen a handful of people not wearing masks over the last couple of weeks. They are in the extreme, extreme minority but, yeah, there does seem to be a slight amount more of them about recently.

It's not that surprising that there's some people out there that don't wear masks. Some people just aren't going to do it no matter what, but, thankfully they are extremely rare. Of course according to some sections of this forum loads of people are raging against the machine by not wearing them. Well those Freedom Fighters are rare in reality in my experience.

RGARDINR · 01-10-2020 01:12AM

Arghus wrote: »

I have seen a handful of people not wearing masks over the last couple of weeks. They are in the extreme, extreme minority but, yeah, there does seem to be a slight amount more of them about recently.

It's not that surprising that there's some people out there that don't wear masks. Some people just aren't going to do it no matter what, but, thankfully they are extremely rare. Of course according to some sections of this forum loads of people are raging against the machine by not wearing them. Well those Freedom Fighters are rare in reality in my experience.

I was in a few shops today and 2 or 3 people with them on just around their chin. What's the point with that? Wear it like a good person or don't bother as you look like a tool with it that way.

99nsr125 · 01-10-2020 01:15AM

xvril wrote: »

Are facemasks actually helping?

No

If we're all wearing masks, social distancing and washing our hands why are cases climbing.

The answer is because it's airborne.

It'll be transmissable over 10 metres not 2 and it won't need to be 15 minutes, mere moments as particles hang in the air and it settles against the membrane of your eyes.

Charles Babbage · 01-10-2020 01:17AM

99nsr125 wrote: »

No

If we're all wearing masks, social distancing and washing our hands why are cases climbing.

The answer is because it's airborne.

It'll be transmissable over 10 metres not 2 and it won't need to be 15 minutes, mere moments as particles hang in the air and it settles against the membrane of your eyes.

No, the answer is that most transmission is occurring where people are not wearing masks, in houses, pubs and restaurants.

Goldengirl · 01-10-2020 01:25AM

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

But was it not confirmed yesterday that everyone gets tested when you are in hospital for any reason or length of stay. So you are in hospital or ICU with a non covid related ailment i.e broken leg or heart attack and you test positive... you are part of the stats of people admitted to hospital with covid 19.
I actually know of 2 cases of that exact scenario in my locality in the last 3 weeks so I'm sure there are a multitude of these cases across the country.

So you can actually argue with the data.

So do you think the 40 year old in ICU with the heart attack who has just tested positive for Covid , is going to be just as fast recovering as someone without Covid ?
Or that surgery on the 30 year old with the broken leg who is also positive for Covid , will be similarly uncomplicated ?

Goldengirl · 01-10-2020 01:43AM

Arghus wrote: »

Amongst the many things I shake my head at over in regards to the government this is something that bothers me. Why they just can't communicate the bald facts of the situation.

There's a slow inevitability to this. Cases continue to rise - with slight variations from day to day and within counties and regions - the positivity rate continues to rise, hospital admissions continue to rise. It's obvious that this trajectory can't continue indefinitely - we'll eventually reach a limit where harsher measures will be required, because what we are currently doing now isn't really working.

There's a cast iron mathematical certainty to this: we will eventually run out of hospital beds, we will eventually run out of ICU beds. No government spokesperson has spelt this out - and it's really the fundamental issue and it's pretty black and white.

Yes.
Hospital beds , and nurses are not unlimited .
Squeeze is on already .
Last week I was saying on here that there were only 14 adult vacant beds in ICU left in Dublin that could be used , ie enough nurses to staff and unreserved for major procedures .
Today there are 9 , maybe less this evening .
No beds and elective surgeries will be the first thing to be cancelled.
Unless HSE get a move on with their private hospital agreement .

douglashyde · 01-10-2020 01:51AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are a diabetic ..are you also hypertensive ? You omitted them from the" danger list " you quoted .
That was my point originally but you missed it thinking you were going to educate me about " layering aliments " which to be honest is not a word I think you meant , and some jumble about CDC .
America has one of the most heavily obese populations in the world, of course obesity will figure largely on their hit list .
Heart disease yes , but not to include diabetes and hypertension is just silly .
They are the first 2 causes of severe illness and death with Covid 19 , followed by heart disease, severe respiratory illness , cancer and immunocompromise, and yes , with obesity as a complicating factor , along with other factors.
But it is not the main risk factor in this disease , certainly not in Europe or worldwide .
You mention type 1 vs 2 , so somehow any data that has diabetes on its list is incorrect ? Yes type 2 are more at risk , but you never mentioned diabetes at all !
I am far from ignorant in this but I am not going to discuss that with you as you obviously have tunnel vision here, for some reason , and I suspect it is that you don't want to admit you might be vulnerable .
Understandable , but don't try to push incorrect statements down people's throats because of that .
Your comments about nurses upset me last night .
I don't want to talk to you really so I will not be replying to your posts anymore.

The only comment I made about nurses (and frontline staff) is that they are underpaid and not treated fairly. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.

I had no intention to upset you , so I'm sorry if you are.

Here is the most recent and granular breakdown I could find. The Irish data aligns but without going into the exact breakdown of specific conditions & diseases.

Comorbidity risks:
Definite: cancer, chronic kidney disease, COPD, immunocompromise from solid organ transplant, obesity/BMI > 30, serious cardiovascular disease, sickle cell disease, type II diabetes mellitus

Possible increased risk (limited data): asthma (moderate-severe), CVA, cystic fibrosis, hypertension, immunocompromise from immunodeficiency/bone marrow transplant, neurological conditions (e.g., dementia), liver disease, pregnancy, pulmonary fibrosis, smoking, thalassemia, type 1 diabetes mellitus.

What the above is saying is that there's a list of things that would lead to a person being higher risk. Hypertension and type 1 are 'possible increased risk' , cardiovascular disease (heath disease) and type 2 diabetes are definite. If you research the gradient of these, you're also going to find that heart disease and respiratory (severe asthma & COPD) are the top two. Layer on top a 85 year old with one (or more of these conditions) and you've got yourself a extremely high risk person.

Now, we're a million miles away from my original point and for some odd reason are arguing pretty clear facts and semantics.

But my point remains the same; we need to seriously protect those who are (1) over a certain age and (2) have very specific health issues - all the while, letting the rest of society get on with it and to stop living in daily fear, as the news reader announces the daily case numbers,

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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