Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

robbiezero · 30-09-2020 08:08PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I reluctantly agree with you, and it will probably have to be done.

There is too much permeability with the present system, even with lockdown Donegal and Dublin in Level 3, it is nothing like a lockdown at all. People can go to work, school, the shopping centres and so on.

Look I know I will not be flavour of the month for saying it, but a full on lockdown is needed. At least everyone knows they are in the same boat then. Terrible for business but that will revive in time.

We are all more than likely fed up of the hit and miss approach. But TBH I dunno anymore, just wish things were a bit safer out there. Based in Dublin BTW and cannot go anywhere even for a cup of coffee and a read of the papers. But there we are.

And then what? Open up, lock down again - Rinse and Repeat, will less and less compliance every time.

Dayor Knight · 30-09-2020 08:12PM

manniot2 wrote: »

Don’t let some unelected public servant decide what is essential for you and your well being. Visit her whenever you like.

Ah, yeah, take her up the auld virus there. Sure who cares.

caveat emptor · 30-09-2020 08:13PM

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 08:15PM

lukas8888 wrote: »

My understanding is that obesity is a far greater risk than hypertension,If hypertension was in the 2 main risks i think you'd find a much bigger mortality rate, considering a huge percentage of the western world suffer from high blood pressure.

Go read up on the main risk factors for death in the literature and then come back to me on that .

JP Liz V1 · 30-09-2020 08:16PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

Red Rover Red Rover we call over Covid

s1ippy · 30-09-2020 08:17PM

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/owner-defends-decision-not-to-serve-diners-with-a-dublin-eircode-after-online-review-backlash-39574820.html

What is this, June!

Fair dues to that man. Hopefully it'll happen for every lockdown. It's only fair.

Fr_Dougal · 30-09-2020 08:19PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

They went to a pub.

Spanish Eyes · 30-09-2020 08:20PM

robbiezero wrote: »

And then what? Open up, lock down again - Rinse and Repeat, will less and less compliance every time.

I know, I know, but the present system is not working either.

Just look at Wuhan and other places now. They REALLY locked down and there appears to be no problem now. Sharp shock for a while and it seems to work. No hosts for the effin virus.

Meanwhile here we are in bits and pieces of closing, opening up and all that jazz. It ain't working and someone with cojones will have to bite the bullet.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 30-09-2020 08:21PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

Most likely the student that arrived first to class sneezed on the door handle on the way in

T.V Eye · 30-09-2020 08:22PM

Weather looks shocking for the next week or so.
No more eating/drinking on terraces or meeting friends in the park. Will be a big test.

Personally, I’m working remotely and the idea of finishing up work and not being able to socialise safely afterwards is pretty grim.

Jinglejangle69 · 30-09-2020 08:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know, I know, but the present system is not working either.

Just look at Wuhan and other places now. They REALLY locked down and there appears to be no problem now. Sharp shock for a while and it seems to work. No hosts for the effin virus.

Meanwhile here we are in bits and pieces of closing, opening up and all that jazz. It ain't working and someone with cojones will have to bite the bullet.

Will need to stop travel in and out.

It's not possible.

growleaves · 30-09-2020 08:24PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know, I know, but the present system is not working either.

Just look at Wuhan and other places now. They REALLY locked down and there appears to be no problem now. Sharp shock for a while and it seems to work. No hosts for the effin virus.

Meanwhile here we are in bits and pieces of closing, opening up and all that jazz. It ain't working and someone with cojones will have to bite the bullet.

No sorry but you don't know the real situation, past or present, in a country which is a dictatorship. Basing our actions on what we think a dictatorship has done is like you basing your personal actions on what a con artist tells you.

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 08:26PM

douglashyde wrote: »

So to answer your question;
"Why did include diabetes & Hypertension on your list?"

Here is the leading indicators

The CDC break it out nicely here based on 'are at increased risk' and 'might be at increased risk'

Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) is different than type 2 diabetes (who are inherently older and overweight as these are triggers in getting T2 in the first place).

Hypertension is a condition that can lead to many things, including heart disease - which is a risk factor when combined with CV19, particularly when you layer on other aliments typically present in older people.

That's why they're not on my example list. Also, I choice heart disease and respiratory + age & obesity as they are stacked ranked as the top reasons for co morbidity.

Your point demonstrates the understandable ignorance of the public. The media should be publishing more details on what is going on vs. daily case numbers - that will go a long way in educating people.

So does the CDC document specifically say " when you layer on other ailments..."?
If it does then somebody who doesn't have any medical understanding wrote that .

I am not going to dignify your comments with any further debate when you imply that ECDC, and WHO are ignorant
There is nothing understandable about this level of misunderstanding when it is freely available , both on HSPC and gov.ie , not to mention repeated on every news bulletin throughout the day .

robbiezero · 30-09-2020 08:29PM

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Oh look, 2 more previously young and healthy people who've been stricken down by coronavirus wheeled out on RTE news again. They're getting younger every day.

It's a "battle" they're facing. One lads father gave him his war medals and all.

Jesus Christ.

I'm not sure what impact RTE think they are having with this ****e. No doubt they are trying some doom mongering.

For me anyway, I'm seeing these healthy looking people talking about recovering and having some fatigue and I'm thinking, if ye are the terribly *unlucky ones for this killer virus, that's not so bad.

* young and no underlying conditions much.

30-09-2020 08:31PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I reluctantly agree with you, and it will probably have to be done.

There is too much permeability with the present system, even with lockdown Donegal and Dublin in Level 3, it is nothing like a lockdown at all. People can go to work, school, the shopping centres and so on.

Look I know I will not be flavour of the month for saying it, but a full on lockdown is needed. At least everyone knows they are in the same boat then. Terrible for business but that will revive in time.

We are all more than likely fed up of the hit and miss approach. But TBH I dunno anymore, just wish things were a bit safer out there. Based in Dublin BTW and cannot go anywhere even for a cup of coffee and a read of the papers. But there we are.

And then you reopen at the end of a lockdown and it starts again.....

Spanish Eyes · 30-09-2020 08:31PM

growleaves wrote: »

No sorry but you don't know the real situation, past or present, of a country which is a dictatorship. Basing our actions on what we think a dictatorship has done is like you basing your personal actions on what a con artist tells you.

I know we are dealing with a totalitarian State in China. Doesn't matter, they have resumed a functioning economy and normal way of life for their people because of their blunt and tough actions at the start.

We haven't. Not saying I want a dictatorship at all, don't get me wrong, but what I'm saying is that a short sharp shut down is worth a shot now that nothing else has worked here now.

Please don't let this develop into a China v everyone else and all that. But I suppose I can't stop you either.

Hurrache · 30-09-2020 08:31PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Red Rover Red Rover we call over Covid

Ye made a mess of the chant for god's sake!

Spanish Eyes · 30-09-2020 08:33PM

mcburns07 wrote: »

And then you reopen at the end of a lockdown and it starts again.....

Didn't happen in China. But they supervised it with great intent. We didn't and don't.

owlbethere · 30-09-2020 08:35PM

T.V Eye wrote: »

Weather looks shocking for the next week or so.
No more eating/drinking on terraces or meeting friends in the park. Will be a big test.

Personally, I’m working remotely and the idea of finishing up work and not being able to socialise safely afterwards is pretty grim.

Do you have any hobby that you can work on? Or could you learn something new? Maybe a new language online or whatever interests you. I'm a knitter and I just love everything to do with it. Planning projects, working with different fibers with a love for more natural fibers. I love working with different colours and textures. Definitely look into picking up some sort of a hobby.

normanoffside · 30-09-2020 08:36PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

They must have forgot to sanitise their hands before pouring the tea.

30-09-2020 08:37PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

Clearly this group must have been shifting the face off each other in between classes. Promiscuous students. No other possible explanation.

30-09-2020 08:39PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Didn't happen in China. But they supervised it with great intent. We didn't and don't.

China has plenty of expertise in ensuring it's civilians follow orders.....

Oh and they stopped inward travel for 4+ months. How do you think that's going to work with us in the EU?

douglashyde · 30-09-2020 08:39PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

So does the CDC document specifically say " when you layer on other ailments..."?
If it does then somebody who doesn't have any medical understanding wrote that .

I am not going to dignify your comments with any further debate when you imply that ECDC, and WHO are ignorant
There is nothing understandable about this level of misunderstanding when it is freely available , both on HSPC and gov.ie , not to mention repeated on every news bulletin throughout the day .

I don't understand what point you're trying to make?

I don't believe 'nor suggested ECDC and WHO are ignorant, I said the public.

Do you understand the point I'm making that there's a difference between hypertension & heart disease or diabetes type 1 & 2 and that some of these are a higher risk from certain factors than others. This logic is already being applied in our fight against CV19, but we should a lot more of it.

i.e. In general, a Type 1 diabetic is more at risk from a bag of skittles, but a Type 2 diabetic is more at risk from CV19.

30-09-2020 08:40PM

douglashyde wrote: »

So to answer your question;
"Why did include diabetes & Hypertension on your list?"

Here is the leading indicators

The CDC break it out nicely here based on 'are at increased risk' and 'might be at increased risk'

Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) is different than type 2 diabetes (who are inherently older and overweight as these are triggers in getting T2 in the first place).

Hypertension is a condition that can lead to many things, including heart disease - which is a risk factor when combined with CV19, particularly when you layer on other aliments typically present in older people.

That's why they're not on my example list. Also, I choice heart disease and respiratory + age & obesity as they are stacked ranked as the top reasons for co morbidity.

Your point demonstrates the understandable ignorance of the public. The media should be publishing more details on what is going on vs. daily case numbers - that will go a long way in educating people.

The obesity/metabolic disorder/insulin resistance/inflammatory & immune stress connection has often been discussed by Prof Niall Moyna & others on the radio, always interesting to hear about this. It is becoming more apparent all the time how it seems to be connected with severe Covid. This connection could be more strongly stressed through the media, though, another motivator to improving diet, with a continued benefit in improved heath outcomes beyond Covid. Starting the process of lowering blood sugar could show some fairly immediate improvements, with a possible quick improvement in reducing risk of Covid severity. This could be a great kick-starter to motivate some.

growleaves · 30-09-2020 08:41PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I know we are dealing with a totalitarian State in China. Doesn't matter, they have resumed a functioning economy and normal way of life for their people because of their blunt and tough actions at the start.

We haven't. Not saying I want a dictatorship at all, don't get me wrong, but what I'm saying is that a short sharp shut down is worth a shot now that nothing else has worked here now.

Please don't let this develop into a China v everyone else and all that. But I suppose I can't stop you either.

I'm not trying to create disharmony and think we should have good relations with China as a country. But the fact is they say they have resumed a functioning economy and normal life due to x, y, z tough (i.e. dictatorial) actions.

So do other tyrannical countries such as Belarus, Vietnam and North Korea.

Where does the naivety end is what I want to know?

People ridicule not trusting our government.
People ridicule not trusting the WHO.
People ridicule not trusting...foreign Communist dictatorships?

Come on. I think people here are being naive on purpose as some kind of survival mechanism. Do the posters on this thread spend every day of their lives getting conned by insurance salesmen, tricked by unfaithful lovers etc.?

When do you stop being a naif and start asking Cui bono? Not you in particular Spanish Eyes, the plural you.

Anyway rant over.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 08:41PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

How the fvck did the whole class get it? Wonder what the 26 were doing at break.

Great to know they can only catch it at break time.

Simple solution, no breaks = no outbreaks.

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1311359932307058688?s=20

This is the kind of crap which means they Will continue to lose credibility.

lukas8888 · 30-09-2020 08:44PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Go read up on the main risk factors for death in the literature and then come back to me on that .

Have done.

T.V Eye · 30-09-2020 08:48PM

owlbethere wrote: »

Do you have any hobby that you can work on? Or could you learn something new? Maybe a new language online or whatever interests you. I'm a knitter and I just love everything to do with it. Planning projects, working with different fibers with a love for more natural fibers. I love working with different colours and textures. Definitely look into picking up some sort of a hobby.

Ah, I play guitar and the lockdown has been a great time to practice. I’ve learned/explored a lot of new techniques as I’m sure you have with knitting.

Working on my - very bad - Spanish too. I’ve been trying out new recipes a lot and a few other bits. I’m keeping busy but I’m just not one for staying indoors and I like socialising.

I think the weather will be a challenge for a lot of people and businesses, we were blessed with the sun for the bulk of the lockdown.

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 08:53PM

robbiezero wrote: »

I'm not sure what impact RTE think they are having with this ****e. No doubt they are trying some doom mongering.

For me anyway, I'm seeing these healthy looking people talking about recovering and having some fatigue and I'm thinking, if ye are the terribly *unlucky ones for this killer virus, that's not so bad.

* young and no underlying conditions much.

Some people still unable to work or exercise after 6 months .
That's not good .

CiarraiManc · 30-09-2020 08:54PM

Sick of the whole thing. Haven't seen my children, parents or siblings in bloody months. Barely ever leave the house cause I'm scared ****less and you've scrotes in the college's getting pissed. Sick of everything and everyone

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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