Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

niallo27 · 30-09-2020 07:26PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow pair of d1ckheads. Bet they are popular.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1311352053030101001?s=21

Unless they knew they had it, why are they dickheads. The people they met knew the risks.

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:26PM

growleaves wrote: »

Soldiers shooting at people for not complying with regulations is not how we do policing in this country. We have a history of unarmed policing albeit there are armed units to go after organised crime gangs.

Soldiers shooting guns...

Refer to my comment about paranoia.

MonkieSocks · 30-09-2020 07:27PM

I was in the Royal Victoria Hospital (eye and ear ) ON Adelaide Road this Morning with an elderly relative.

There were No temperature checks or masks available on entering the Hospital.

One small sanitizing station.

People were left waiting on chairs in corridors side by side and across from one and other.

None of the chairs were placed in a social distancing setting.

When we eventually got to see a secretary (who wasn't wearing a Mask) we asked why there was no masks provided for people who forgot to bring one.

She said they had No masks available to give to these people.

Only about half the staff I seen were wearing mass and were walking freely down cluttered corridors filled with most of the people in the 70/80/90 year old brackets.

Surly these are vulnerable people, some would have an underlying conditions should have been treated better and A hospital should have better practices available for the public at this stage into the Pandemic.

30-09-2020 07:27PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Ireland's approach to this is beyond useless. Either do a proper enforced lockdown like other developed countries have or let it rip through the population. This fannying around is death by a million cuts.

To be fair, most ‘developed’ countries are doing exactly what we are doing

tom1ie · 30-09-2020 07:28PM

covid20 wrote: »

Ok I don't know. You did ask for opinions too and I gave mine. Models aren't great, use them but be aware of how limited they are.

That’s true I did ask for opinions.
Thanks.

covid20 · 30-09-2020 07:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

To be fair, most ‘developed’ countries are doing exactly what we are doing

And this is why we are all having the same second wave.

growleaves · 30-09-2020 07:29PM

covid20 wrote: »

Soldiers shooting guns...

Refer to my comment about paranoia.

As I've already explained, I was writing partly in response to a poster who called for the Army to police the population and use lethal force.

lukas8888 · 30-09-2020 07:30PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Diabetes and hypertension are the 2 main risk factors for severe illness and death with this virus.
Why are you not including them in your list above , lol ?

My understanding is that obesity is a far greater risk than hypertension,If hypertension was in the 2 main risks i think you'd find a much bigger mortality rate, considering a huge percentage of the western world suffer from high blood pressure.

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 07:30PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

We need to put it all into a sense of perspective and stop scaring the bejasus out of people and making scapegoats out of certain industries/ sets of people with absolutely no backup for it.

First it was travel, then it was the pubs, now it's the students......... who next?

Well going by your posts doctors , nurses and unions ! ;(

30-09-2020 07:30PM

covid20 wrote: »

And this is why we are all having the same second wave.

I agree, but was addressing the poster who implied that Ireland stood alone amongst ‘developed’ countries in taking this approach

hetuzozaho · 30-09-2020 07:31PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Wow pair of d1ckheads. Bet they are popular.

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1311352053030101001?s=21

Why dickheads out of interest?

I haven't been doing this kind of socialising myself, but know plenty who are. Meeting 4 people in a restaurant is so common at the moment, no matter how many times Ronan asks people to reduce their contacts.

Breaston Plants · 30-09-2020 07:31PM

In Galway city. Wasn't planning on going for pints tonight but I think we'll be in the same situation as Dublin and Donegal soon. So heading to the pub....

Hurrache · 30-09-2020 07:32PM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

... and they’re saying this virus isn’t airborne?!

Who?

robbiezero · 30-09-2020 07:34PM

The thing I don't get about the furore over students is that from my own days as a student living in student accomodation I remember it being our own little fiefdom, students kept to themselves largely and mingled amongst themselves.

Like instead of the stupid hullabaloo about them partying and apes talking about the army on the streets surely there is a better way to handle them. Like if Covid spreads through a student body, its not really that big a deal once its contained within it and suitable measures are taken to prevent it spreading beyond that.

If I was in a student house now living with a group of students, I'd be nominating a weekend every six weeks in which we could all go home or wherever. The house would isolate itself for 4/5 days before that, ideally get tested then and go home if all are clear and spend the other 5 weeks running amok as we like.

That might be dumb, but there is surely a better way than this f**king idiotic twitter mob witch hunt, joe duffy, rte crap which is not going to have any impact anyway.

Non solum non ambulabit · 30-09-2020 07:35PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

I was in the Royal Victoria Hospital (eye and ear ) ON Adelaide Road this Morning with an elderly relative.

There were No temperature checks or masks available on entering the Hospital.

One small sanitizing station.

People were left waiting on chairs in corridors side by side and across from one and other.

None of the chairs were placed in a social distancing setting.

When we eventually got to see a secretary (who wasn't wearing a Mask) we asked why there was no masks provided for people who forgot to bring one.

She said they had No masks available to give to these people.

Only about half the staff I seen were wearing mass and were walking freely down cluttered corridors filled with most of the people in the 70/80/90 year old brackets.

Surly these are vulnerable people, some would have an underlying conditions should have been treated better and A hospital should have better practices available for the public at this stage into the Pandemic.

Terrible set up in that hospital and more dangerous than any street gathering.

tom1ie · 30-09-2020 07:38PM

covid20 wrote: »

And this is why we are all having the same second wave.

Waves are only created by lockdowns.
No lockdowns= overwhelmed health services.
Lockdowns = waves of rising numbers due to infections.

What’s the answer?
A= vaccine which makes 70% immune
B= herd immunity via mass infections with large numbers of deaths plus possible long term illness for survivors.

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 07:39PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

In Galway city. Wasn't planning on going for pints tonight but I think we'll be in the same situation as Dublin and Donegal soon. So heading to the pub....

Ah pints, enjoy them old man, they will be your last

douglashyde · 30-09-2020 07:40PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Diabetes and hypertension are the 2 main risk factors for severe illness and death with this virus.
Why are you not including them in your list above , lol ?

So to answer your question;
"Why did include diabetes & Hypertension on your list?"

Here is the leading indicators

The CDC break it out nicely here based on 'are at increased risk' and 'might be at increased risk'

Type 1 diabetes (juvenile diabetes) is different than type 2 diabetes (who are inherently older and overweight as these are triggers in getting T2 in the first place).

Hypertension is a condition that can lead to many things, including heart disease - which is a risk factor when combined with CV19, particularly when you layer on other aliments typically present in older people.

That's why they're not on my example list. Also, I choice heart disease and respiratory + age & obesity as they are stacked ranked as the top reasons for co morbidity.

Your point demonstrates the understandable ignorance of the public. The media should be publishing more details on what is going on vs. daily case numbers - that will go a long way in educating people.

AlmightyCushion · 30-09-2020 07:41PM

robbiezero wrote: »

The thing I don't get about the furore over students is that from my own days as a student living in student accomodation I remember it being our own little fiefdom, students kept to themselves largely and mingled amongst themselves.

Like instead of the stupid hullabaloo about them partying and apes talking about the army on the streets surely there is a better way to handle them. Like if Covid spreads through a student body, its not really that big a deal once its contained within it and suitable measures are taken to prevent it spreading beyond that.

If I was in a student house now living with a group of students, I'd be nominating a weekend every six weeks in which we could all go home or wherever. The house would isolate itself for 4/5 days before that, ideally get tested then and go home if all are clear and spend the other 5 weeks running amok as we like.

That might be dumb, but there is surely a better way than this f**king idiotic twitter mob witch hunt, joe duffy, rte crap which is not going to have any impact anyway.

The students will still interact with others. The lecturers, the students in their courses that go home every weekend, the places they work, the people in the pubs/restaurants/shops they go to.

KrustyUCC · 30-09-2020 07:46PM

Well that's that

I fully expect Cork to be up to level three on Friday

Going to call up to see herself tomorrow night as it will be the last time I can travel for at least three weeks. I expect it to take longer than three weeks though

Going to be so tough again after getting through three months earlier in the year

Bloody COVID is crap

robbiezero · 30-09-2020 07:46PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The students will still interact with others. The lecturers, the students in their courses that go home every weekend, the places they work, the people in the pubs/restaurants/shops they go to.

It needs some thinking outside the box. But it is surely workable.

I don't see why any student needs to be within 20 yards of a lecturer at any time. Students that go home every weekend have to make their own risk assessment and either isolate themselves at home or in college.

They could be isolated to certain pubs only very easily with extra protections for staff etc (Students don't give a crap if you fling a can at them from 50 feet). Shops should be fine with masks and we certainly didn't go to any restaurants in my day.

The sledgehammer approach from one-trick ponys is not working and their only answer seems to be more sledgehammer.

caveat emptor · 30-09-2020 07:47PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Why dickheads out of interest?

I haven't been doing this kind of socialising myself, but know plenty who are. Meeting 4 people in a restaurant is so common at the moment, no matter how many times Ronan asks people to reduce their contacts.

I think you are forgetting all of the other gatherings / sleepovers / bar visits / weekend away / no restriction of movement. :pac:

https://twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/1296836142474698753?s=20

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 07:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’m not sure why the whole Cork not doing great thing is funny? Bit insensitive.

Yes I agree.
It wasn't funny when people were saying over and over about Dublin doing badly either.

manniot2 · 30-09-2020 07:48PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Well that's that

I fully expect Cork to be up to level three on Friday

Going to call up to see herself tomorrow night as it will be the last time I can travel for at least three weeks. I expect it to take longer than three weeks though

Going to be so tough again after getting through three months earlier in the year

Bloody COVID is crap

Don’t let some unelected public servant decide what is essential for you and your well being. Visit her whenever you like.

hetuzozaho · 30-09-2020 07:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I think you are forgetting all of the other gatherings / sleepovers / bar visits / weekend away / no restriction of movement. :pac:

I even typed them out here earlier :pac:

What do you mean by the no restriction of movement?

DevilsHaircut · 30-09-2020 07:52PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1311364746227179521

Plumbthedepths · 30-09-2020 07:53PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Well that's that

I fully expect Cork to be up to level three on Friday

Going to call up to see herself tomorrow night as it will be the last time I can travel for at least three weeks. I expect it to take longer than three weeks though

Going to be so tough again after getting through three months earlier in the year

Bloody COVID is crap

You are advised not to travel, there will be no legal requirement to stay in the county boundaries if you do that's your decision.

Goldengirl · 30-09-2020 07:59PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

No point in replying. You’d swear CUH and MUH were overrun with Covid and the ICUS overflowing!
Cork has had a couple of bad weeks. All understandable that level 3 might be on the cards but who in their right mind wants the two largest economies in the country to on lockdown? I certainly didn’t want Dublin going to level 3. It’s devastating for the 50,000 who are on PUP now!!

By all of our calculations , Cork as regards population of Dublin is 2.5 times smaller .
So ...60 x 2.5 = 150 .
Now Dublin was at 150 ish cases 2 week s ago when " it was looking bad for Dublin" and " Dublin heading for lockdown " was popping up in posts here .
Mercy asking people to go elsewhere is the start of it . Do you want to wait until themselves AND CUH are turning people away?

Spanish Eyes · 30-09-2020 08:01PM

TexasTornado wrote: »

Ireland's approach to this is beyond useless. Either do a proper enforced lockdown like other developed countries have or let it rip through the population. This fannying around is death by a million cuts.

I reluctantly agree with you, and it will probably have to be done.

There is too much permeability with the present system, even with lockdown Donegal and Dublin in Level 3, it is nothing like a lockdown at all. People can go to work, school, the shopping centres and so on.

Look I know I will not be flavour of the month for saying it, but a full on lockdown is needed. At least everyone knows they are in the same boat then. Terrible for business but that will revive in time.

We are all more than likely fed up of the hit and miss approach. But TBH I dunno anymore, just wish things were a bit safer out there. Based in Dublin BTW and cannot go anywhere even for a cup of coffee and a read of the papers. But there we are.

30-09-2020 08:07PM

MonkieSocks wrote: »

I was in the Royal Victoria Hospital (eye and ear ) ON Adelaide Road this Morning with an elderly relative.

There were No temperature checks or masks available on entering the Hospital.

One small sanitizing station.

People were left waiting on chairs in corridors side by side and across from one and other.

None of the chairs were placed in a social distancing setting.

When we eventually got to see a secretary (who wasn't wearing a Mask) we asked why there was no masks provided for people who forgot to bring one.

She said they had No masks available to give to these people.

Only about half the staff I seen were wearing mass and were walking freely down cluttered corridors filled with most of the people in the 70/80/90 year old brackets.

Surly these are vulnerable people, some would have an underlying conditions should have been treated better and A hospital should have better practices available for the public at this stage into the Pandemic.

By coincidence I was there too today. May as well share my experience.

There were numerous hand sanitizers around the place.

They don't provide masks but they send a text that reminds you to bring one for your appointment. No temperature check. Guy at entrance wearing a face shield, not a mask. Secretaries not wearing masks. All medical staff were wearing masks. Some patients (two middle aged men) were doing the mask under nose thing.

Seats were distanced but there wasn't enough of them. The building is set up very badly in general. Great medical staff there in fairness but doesn't look like management are giving them the support they need to make the place safe.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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