Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

covid20 wrote: »

Gates is a bit optimistic

1. We all ready have that inequality on food
2. I'm seeing a lot of self interest but very little altruism
3. Maybe too certain on the vaccine availability x supply capacity ...but then again he knows people

Time will tell

It's not the same though. If you read between the lines, he's saying that wealthy countries getting their citizens vaccinated and creating a backlog for developing countries stretching back two, three, four, five, six, seven years or whatever would actually be an endangering factor for the fully vaccinated country, because (1) the economy would still be slowed down and there would always be a risk of clusters developing amongst members of their population who did not receive vaccinations and (more importantly) (2) the risk of the virus mutating into something else that a vaccine cannot be effective against is relatively high when you have developing countries whose populations are not being given the tools to vaccinate against it. So developed countries would not have a get-out-of-jail free card so to say. He's being coy, but he's basically saying that it's in our own selfish nature to make sure that the developed countries have access to a vaccine as well or it could backfire on us significantly.

tom1ie wrote: »

Disaster boners. That’s a new one.

Nothing is a disaster when you have a boner!:pac:

Arghus wrote: »

Yes, I have been. But it's so predictable that you take that one nugget from Professor Nolan, I knew as soon as he said it you'd post about it.

But nothing about the rising positivity rate, rising hospital admissions, rising cases, the crystal clear message that in Dr. Glynn's own words that the window of this not becoming a bigger issue is closing.

Go away out of that with your listen to the press conference, you're not honest about what you hear and choose to cherry pick facts.

Ah yes, a lecture. Reminds me why I don’t respond. Cheers!

Roger_007 wrote: »

We might as well get used to the fact that attempting to suppress this virus is not going to work short of locking everyone in their houses and having a squad of minders in hazmat suits delivering food and other essentials.
Or we could just get on with our lives taking a few precautions but resuming near normal social activity. Of course the virus will spread, but it is spreading anyway, so what’s the difference? Do we really think that we can continue this twilight existence for much longer. I know I can’t. I want to live my life, not hide away from it.

this means overloading our ICUs and other hospital beds. that's not a maybe, it's a certainty. in case you don't know what that means, it means people who need certain care, not just covid, don't get it and die. are you okay with that?

So have we a rough model of how many admissions we will have at (for example) 800 cases a day?
From that we should be able to figure out the icu admissions and from that the deaths.
So at what point of daily cases do we reach saturation point of our hospital system.

I imagine it would be a good idea to know at what point the hospital system could become overwhelmed.

I’m not saying we’ll reach 800 cases by the way but it’s possible.

Roger_007 wrote: »

I want to live my life, not hide away from it.

Nobody is asking you to stop living your life, there just asking you to live it in a safer way to stop the spread as much as possible. Its been said ad nauseum at this stage. Meet half of the people next week as you did this week and itll cut the transmission rate in half. Wash your hands wear a mask cough and sneeze etiquette, it is literally that simple and you can go about your day as much as you can.

I honestly dont get why its so hard to understand this, if people fail to do these basics then well be in this twilight as you call it for a long time

Shin

Did that mean not attend work I wonder

The_Brood wrote: »

Like is there any common bleeding sense left of any kind?

Without enforcement, without fools being arrested, the cases will continue rising and rising. Sending little pamphlets to the door is going to do the trick, is it? People will just wisen up and we'll beat the virus?

Is everyone having a complete and utter laugh? Economy is dead, we're being destroyed here, we need to get rid of this virus at least so life can start again - and this government is sending pamphlets?

Is this real life or bizarro world?

There really is nothing else but these two options:

A) Mass guarda prese and mass arrests Endless half/3/4ths lockdowns destroying society forever with no end in sight.

And everyone seems to be perfectly happy with , full speed ahead.

The operative game plan at the moment is to try and find a golden mean within which we can live with the virus, infection rates are kept low enough that we can keep the economy operating at a decent capacity, and we wait it out until the vaccine. Periodic lockdowns until a vaccine are unfortunately the reality. We live in a democracy - unless you want to cede your civil liberties to an authoritarian state, this is our existence for the foreseeable future until a vaccine emerges in 2021.

normanoffside wrote: »

Refusing to give ages or underlying conditions.

Doesn’t have the info?
Do ya think he has some agenda or something?