Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

polesheep · 30-09-2020 01:16PM

seamus wrote: »

To be clear: "asymptomatic" is reference to the patient experience. It doesn't mean there are no symptoms, just that the patient has not noticed any difference in their day-to-day experience.

A small increase in body temperature of half a degree or so, reduced oxygen uptake to 95%, slightly elevated stress hormone levels, very mild fatigue. These are all symptoms of many illnesses, but an individual may not even notice them. And for an individual with heart disease, these will all put additional stress on an already tired heart.

Being asymptomatic doesn't mean it's just sitting there doing nothing.

That's all very well Seamus, but the implication from Dr Glynn was that getting Covid could cause you to have a heart attack. There was no mention of prior heart disease.

30-09-2020 01:22PM

seamus wrote: »

To be clear: "asymptomatic" is reference to the patient experience. It doesn't mean there are no symptoms, just that the patient has not noticed any difference in their day-to-day experience.

A small increase in body temperature of half a degree or so, reduced oxygen uptake to 95%, slightly elevated stress hormone levels, very mild fatigue. These are all symptoms of many illnesses, but an individual may not even notice them. And for an individual with heart disease, these will all put additional stress on an already tired heart.

Being asymptomatic doesn't mean it's just sitting there doing nothing.

As an aside, asymptomatic Flu is a thing too
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586318/

Non solum non ambulabit · 30-09-2020 01:23PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think we can conclude from the soundbites on RTE News at 1 that if Cork is to go to Level 3, it will be countywide and not just the city.

I am at a loss as to why Cork is next for restrictions. There are several counties doing worse.

Micky 32 · 30-09-2020 01:24PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I assume your Dad knew he had the Flu?
I fail to see how Asymptomatic Covid can trigger a heart attack. If it did then how is it asymptomatic?

Ah yeah, it was a nasty dose at the time. Yeah i’m with you on the asymptomatic cases,

Akabusi · 30-09-2020 01:24PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

I think we can conclude from the soundbites on RTE News at 1 that if Cork is to go to Level 3, it will be countywide and not just the city.

Yeah I would say that too. Going full county is just the easier option even if it doesn't make that much sense.

GooglePlus · 30-09-2020 01:27PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I am at a loss as to why Cork is next for restrictions. There are several counties doing worse.

Density might be a factor. More fuel for the fire.

seamus · 30-09-2020 01:27PM

polesheep wrote: »

That's all very well Seamus, but the implication from Dr Glynn was that getting Covid could cause you to have a heart attack. There was no mention of prior heart disease.

It might surprise you to learn that the majority of people who suffer their first heart attacks have no prior heart disease

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 01:29PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Yeah I would say that too. Going full county is just the easier option even if it doesn't make that much sense.

Cork city bounds have been expanded recently too, so it not as compact as it used to be.

TonyMaloney · 30-09-2020 01:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

As an aside, asymptomatic Flu is a thing too
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586318/

Same with Ebola
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5394641/

Oranage2 · 30-09-2020 01:33PM

I don't see what the problem is with locking down Cork. Just have the army patrol youghal to ballybunion and let them shoot on site anyone crossing that divide

funnydoggy · 30-09-2020 01:34PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is with locking down Cork. Just have the army patrol youghal to ballybunion and let them shoot on site anyone crossing that divide

Better off shooting anyone coming in :pac:

titan18 · 30-09-2020 01:38PM

Akabusi wrote: »

Yeah I would say that too. Going full county is just the easier option even if it doesn't make that much sense.

The problem spots are mainly City but even some parts of the county have higher rates (the Fermoy LEA is quite high for example) than certain parts of the city. Then you'll have people who work in the city but live in the county areas (Midleton, Fermoy, Macroom, Cobh etc would be county and have a lot of commuters). It'd be a bit of a mess to lock down city and not county imo.

s1ippy · 30-09-2020 01:40PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Big massive rips or silent and violent?It could be a case of extreme flatulance. Get him tested just in case. The virus could have mutated and this could be a new symptom.

That's punching down, the poster is concerned about their child, no need for it.

JP Liz V1 · 30-09-2020 01:40PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is with locking down Cork. Just have the army patrol youghal to ballybunion and let them shoot on site anyone crossing that divide

Ballybunion is in Kerry

Hector Savage · 30-09-2020 01:43PM

Paddygreen wrote: »

Big massive rips or silent and violent?It could be a case of extreme flatulance. Get him tested just in case. The virus could have mutated and this could be a new symptom.

Yes, bringing him in later to the CAP for a pcr test...

GeorgeBailey · 30-09-2020 01:43PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I am at a loss as to why Cork is next for restrictions. There are several counties doing worse.

Yeah Roscommon and Monaghan for example are doing way worse currently and I haven't heard any mention of Roscommon in particular.

titan18 · 30-09-2020 01:48PM

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

Yeah Roscommon and Monaghan for example are doing way worse currently and I haven't heard any mention of Roscommon in particular.

Ya, I think Monaghan are definitely at numbers for lockdown based on their incidence rate. Roscommon, Cork and Galway are lower than what Donegal and Dublin were but maybe the trend on the 3 of them might be enough for Level 3. Otherwise, might get a stay of a week and see how it goes.

polesheep · 30-09-2020 01:48PM

seamus wrote: »

It might surprise you to learn that the majority of people who suffer their first heart attacks have no prior heart disease

No prior symptoms or diagnosis of disease, it's not quite the same thing.;)

growleaves · 30-09-2020 01:50PM

Escape From New York Cork

Boggles · 30-09-2020 01:51PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

And yes it does matter in terms of decision-making the nature of the deaths, the age of the people, whether there are underlying symptoms etc etc. It is also relevant if there are other long term effects from this virus and that does need to be borne in mind also in decision making.

Yes being dead is a pretty long term effect.

McNamara didn't ponder any questions about long term or secondary illness.

That wouldn't suit the whiff of populism he has latched on to.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 01:58PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Now I see. It was Feeney. He was a
Rock of sense last week in the IT and some here think it is acceptable in Ireland in 2020 for someone with a contrary view to have to leave their job. We are not Turkey or Hungary.

I just watched it. Feeney completely schooled McConkey who was all over the place. Feeney called out some of McConkey’s mad ramblings including in respect to when he virus arrived in Ireland (which we all know was well before the first identified case).

Feeney also held back his views in respect to the zero Covid strategy and did not even have to go into the geo political aspects. He has real life experience and clearly knows what he is talking about - and he is right to call out obesity across all age categories as a Key indicator for vulnerability.

What is wrong with a strategy that seeks to Identify and protect the most vulnerable? And one that sees PPE in vulnerable settings (used properly) as a key risk mitigation strategy.

Feeney is not a Covid denier. But he is also rightfully saying this is not the virus of 1917/1918 which was indiscriminate across all age groups.

There are flaws in his logic in terms of the practicality of managing inter-generational activities but his position is far more realistic and practical in the medium term than the zero Covid strategy.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 02:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes being dead is a pretty long term effect.

McNamara didn't ponder any questions about long term or secondary illness.

That wouldn't suit the whiff of populism he has latched on to.

McNamara is challenging the status quo. If NPHET are so sure of themselves then they would be able to dispel that clearly without having to look down on the Oireachtas committee. They did not do so and that is why populism in respect to this is thriving. They are not winning the arguments partly because they are unnecessarily playing certain cards. I am not saying that they don’t have those arguments but right now with many people they are losing.

Boggles · 30-09-2020 02:05PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I just watched it. Feeney completely schooled McConkey who was all over the place.

No one schooled anyone. FFS.

Prime Time dragged on 2 people with extreme polar opposite views.

Neither with even a toe in actual reality.

If they had randomly chosen a pub and interviewed 2 people at the bar they would have got the same poor level of discourse.

It's gone to the absolute dogs since McCullagh left.

ACitizenErased · 30-09-2020 02:07PM

Record case number in the north - 424 new cases

caveat emptor · 30-09-2020 02:09PM

You can see the headlines.

“No need to worry, covid only affects the
Neanderthals, you are not at risk. ”

“Neanderthals to isolate immediately”

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1311287097806872577?s=21

Boggles · 30-09-2020 02:09PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

McNamara is challenging the status quo

As does Danny Healy-Rae.

Doesn't make him any less of a fúcking idiot though.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 02:09PM

Boggles wrote: »

No one schooled anyone. FFS.

Prime Time dragged on 2 people with extreme polar opposite views.

Neither with even a toe in actual reality.

If they had randomly chosen a pub and interviewed 2 people at the bar they would have got the same poor level of discourse.

It's gone to the absolute dogs since McCullagh left.

Well my impression was that one person knew their stuff and was reasonable, and the other was all over the place.

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 02:11PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I just watched it. Feeney completely schooled McConkey who was all over the place. Feeneygy.

I watched it too. From a general viewpoint, I think Miriam and Sam gave Feeney a lot of respect, as in time to speak and not cut him short. Felt like they didnt want to scare him away from coming on TV again.

sideswipe · 30-09-2020 02:11PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I am at a loss as to why Cork is next for restrictions. There are several counties doing worse.

Same for Wicklow- vast majority of cases in the Bray area (one cluster in a direct provision centre). North Wicklow is serviced by both DART and Dublin Bus increasing spread potential. Locking down the entire county when towns and villages 90k away are at level 1 levels seems unfair.

Boggles · 30-09-2020 02:11PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Well my impression was that one person knew their stuff and was reasonable, and the other was all over the place.

Good for you.

I thought all 3 were an absolute bumbling mess and an absolute waste of peoples time.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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