Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

is_that_so · 30-09-2020 12:34PM

IQO wrote: »

Somehow this framework is gaining continued traction in The Netherlands, there were just parliamentary questions being asked if NL can create a similar framework with Ireland as example.

https://twitter.com/alexanderbakker/status/1311242063514660864

(use Twitter translate for translations)

It's what countries have been doing, looking to other countries for ideas they can adapt. Our COVID app code has been embraced elsewhere.

BringBackMick · 30-09-2020 12:37PM

is_that_so wrote: »

As we've seen during this if you go up against NPHET/DoH scientists you need more than just a bit of outrage because they will sink you for your lack of knowledge very quickly.

How dare we plebs ask a question.

Then we get a smart-arse reply- which could easily be debated vigorously if any prep time.

Boggles · 30-09-2020 12:39PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

God forbid some unelected one dimensional technocrats who effectively rule the country atm may have to answer some questions.

Yes actually pertinent questions.

Bordline Conspiracy Theorist McNamara wasting time with died of Covid, died with Covid is just a waste of everyone's time.

They are dead, they cannot overwhelm the health care system. They are no longer a part of the problem.

SleetAndSnow · 30-09-2020 12:39PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1311264827222958082?s=20

Getting frustrated. Don't blame him, he is dead on with being told two contradicting things while dealing with everything else.

Santy2015 · 30-09-2020 12:40PM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus Christ, numbers increasing, 122 now in hospital, 18 in ICU.

We learned yesterday we have a massive 17 extra ICU beds and currently 40 spare, and dribblers like McNamara are still debating the died with Covid died of Covid horsé****.

No wonder NPHET couldn't be arsed showing up to this nonsense, it will be while before they come again.

Nolans face throughout said it all.

Holy mother of Devine god almighty Jesus h Christ!!
Give over the theatrics!

is_that_so · 30-09-2020 12:40PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

How dare we plebs ask a question.

Then we get a smart-arse reply- which could easily be debated vigorously if any prep time.

If you've got the question, you'd better have done the prep! Many a journalist has been put in their place at briefings. This is a Dail committee, they don't do debate, they ask questions.

TonyMaloney · 30-09-2020 12:40PM

640 cases in Scotland. 7 deaths unfortunately.

232 new cases in Glasgow and Clyde

Boggles · 30-09-2020 12:42PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Holy mother of Devine god almighty Jesus h Christ!!
Give over the theatrics!

You just invoked the 2/3rds of the Holy Trinity in 1 sentence.

Calm down.

bb1234567 · 30-09-2020 12:42PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

640 cases in Scotland. 7 deaths unfortunately.

232 new cases in Glasgow and Clyde

Are you Scottish? Just wondering as you post their figures often !

Santy2015 · 30-09-2020 12:44PM

Boggles wrote: »

You just invoked the 2/3rds of the Holy Trinity in 1 sentence.

Calm down.

Balls that’s me done so!

bazermc · 30-09-2020 12:45PM

Watch out Covid has a brother called Kovid

https://swordstoday.ie/npet-and-government-to-answer-questions-on-kovid-19-project/

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 12:46PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes actually pertinent questions.

Bordline Conspiracy Theorist McNamara wasting time with died of Covid, died with Covid is just a waste of everyone's time.

They are dead, they cannot overwhelm the health care system. They are no longer a part of the problem.

If decisions are being made on the back of these numbers which will have resource implications for decades to come then yes they are legitimate questions to ask. The public and politicians have pushed NPHET and the HSE rightfully in the direction of more evidence based decision making.

Boggles · 30-09-2020 12:46PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

The fact that Nolan is tut tutting valid and legitimate questions says it all about what type of people are on NPHET.

It is typical of academics and high brows in the medical field to dismiss 'stupid' questions like this.

They think they are above the people and infact they are-. Their decisions are wreaking havoc on lifes and livlihoods across Ireland and they will never have to take the brunt of the damage they have done.

Let it rip?

20 now in ICU.

How long do you think it would be before we fill up those 40 odd extra beds?

Boggles · 30-09-2020 12:49PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

If decisions are being made on the back of these numbers which will have resource implications for decades to come then yes they are legitimate questions to ask. The public and politicians have pushed NPHET and the HSE rightfully in the direction of more evidence based decision making.

The decisions are being made to protect emergency health care and by extension the health service, deaths are tragic, but they are not the primary focus.

In pure clinical terms it doesn't really matter what the patient died of, but if they are present in hospital with Covid that's all that really matters.

Cork's Mercy Hospital asks public to seek alternative care as A&E numbers surge

TonyMaloney · 30-09-2020 12:49PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Are you Scottish? Just wondering as you post their figures often !

Nah. I've explained before - I just think there's a lot of similarities between the two countries (population, demographics, borders etc), and they're interesting because in terms of things like schools and local restrictions (Glasgow) they're a few weeks ahead of us.

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 12:53PM

Boggles wrote: »

You just invoked the 2/3rds of the Holy Trinity in 1 sentence.

Calm down.

Just dont say it 3 times!

Micky 32 · 30-09-2020 12:57PM

douglashyde wrote: »

Is he suggesting CV19 can trigger a heart attack? I know it can in rare circumstances impact the heart, but is there evidence to show that it triggers heart attacks?

Even the flu is known to trigger heart attacks. It triggered my fathers heart attack some years ago.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 12:58PM

Boggles wrote: »

The decisions are being made to protect emergency health care and by extension the health service, deaths are tragic, but they are not the primary focus.

In pure clinical terms it doesn't really matter what the patient died of, but if they are present in hospital with Covid that's all that really matters.

Cork's Mercy Hospital asks public to seek alternative care as A&E numbers surge

That headline from Cork has been a weekly occurrence every winter for the last 20 years. We have never had sufficient capacity.

And yes it does matter in terms of decision-making the nature of the deaths, the age of the people, whether there are underlying symptoms etc etc. It is also relevant if there are other long term effects from this virus and that does need to be borne in mind also in decision making.

What we need is accountability for the decisions that are being made given the massive implications on our society for decades to come.

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 12:59PM

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Nah. I've explained before - I just think there's a lot of similarities between the two countries (population, demographics, borders etc), and they're interesting because in terms of things like schools and local restrictions (Glasgow) they're a few weeks ahead of us.

Going by my recent DNA update Im 16% scottish, so no harm in seeing how the extended family are getting on.

BringBackMick · 30-09-2020 12:59PM

Boggles wrote: »

Let it rip?

20 now in ICU.

How long do you think it would be before we fill up those 40 odd extra beds?

We need to put it all into a sense of perspective and stop scaring the bejasus out of people and making scapegoats out of certain industries/ sets of people with absolutely no backup for it.

First it was travel, then it was the pubs, now it's the students......... who next?

stephenjmcd · 30-09-2020 01:02PM

Well absolutely nobody saw this coming......

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311272737428697088?s=19

Funsterdelux · 30-09-2020 01:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well absolutely nobody saw this coming......

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311272737428697088?s=19

Enya to finally to announce her retirement?

bb1234567 · 30-09-2020 01:03PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well absolutely nobody saw this coming......

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311272737428697088?s=19

Oh dear, it's gonna be pandemonium

ElTel · 30-09-2020 01:04PM

Boggles wrote: »

Yes actually pertinent questions.

Bordline Conspiracy Theorist McNamara wasting time with died of Covid, died with Covid is just a waste of everyone's time.

They are dead, they cannot overwhelm the health care system. They are no longer a part of the problem.

I only saw the last half hour and I fully agree. There was too much overlap of questions and as you say they were poor questions. One deputy on his turn even apologised in case his question was already asked as he was waiting outside for his turn!

With all the talk of PCR false positive/false negatives Glynn did not even give the sensitivity/specificity I think and said he'd mail the info.

Could the TDs not have arrived at a list of questions before the meeting?
Perhaps we need a thread along similar lines. Top 10 Qs we would ask. The mods could filter boardsies suggestions and perhaps some journalists could be asked to consider them.

ACitizenErased · 30-09-2020 01:04PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well absolutely nobody saw this coming......

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311272737428697088?s=19

It took an Alan Kelly question to even bring the topic up. Is the government trying to hide things or what?

normanoffside · 30-09-2020 01:05PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Even the flu is known to trigger heart attacks. It triggered my fathers heart attack some years ago.

I assume your Dad knew he had the Flu?
I fail to see how Asymptomatic Covid can trigger a heart attack. If it did then how is it asymptomatic?

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 01:05PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well absolutely nobody saw this coming......

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1311272737428697088?s=19

Indeed but we do not need this right now as a country (the next 4 weeks really are critical).

But best to get it into the open and sort it out.

Happydays2020 · 30-09-2020 01:09PM

ElTel wrote: »

I only saw the last half hour and I fully agree. There was too much overlap of questions and as you say they were poor questions. One deputy on his turn even apologised in case his question was already asked as he was waiting outside for his turn!

With all the talk of PCR false positive/false negatives Glynn did not even give the sensitivity/specificity I think and said he'd mail the info.

Could the TDs not have arrived at a list of questions before the meeting?
Perhaps we need a thread along similar lines. Top 10 Qs we would ask. The mods could filter boardsies suggestions and perhaps some journalists could be asked to consider them.

NPHET and DOH seemed to be reluctant to do this which is not right in terms of democratic accountability. They can engage in advance on questions etc but the fact they had to be forced to attend probably meant it was a bit rushed. NPHET should have been prepared to ace this and make sure they knocked any doubters but vague answers and a dismissive attitude are not good for democracy.

seamus · 30-09-2020 01:10PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I assume your Dad knew he had the Flu?
I fail to see how Asymptomatic Covid can trigger a heart attack. If it did then how is it asymptomatic?

To be clear: "asymptomatic" is reference to the patient experience. It doesn't mean there are no symptoms, just that the patient has not noticed any difference in their day-to-day experience.

A small increase in body temperature of half a degree or so, reduced oxygen uptake to 95%, slightly elevated stress hormone levels, very mild fatigue. These are all symptoms of many illnesses, but an individual may not even notice them. And for an individual with heart disease, these will all put additional stress on an already tired heart.

Being asymptomatic doesn't mean it's just sitting there doing nothing.

BringBackMick · 30-09-2020 01:14PM

I think we can conclude from the soundbites on RTE News at 1 that if Cork is to go to Level 3, it will be countywide and not just the city.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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