Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Santy2015 · 29-09-2020 10:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jaysus, once again completely opposite views of a segment I haven’t seen. Any honest brokers care to comment who may have - few and far between around here, hmmmm, jimhodge, Stephen?

I’ll be purely honest, I’ll call a spade a spade. Fenney Schooled McConkey. Miriam was feeling bad for him

Polar101 · 29-09-2020 10:23PM

Sorry folks, but which TV program were McConkey and Feeney on?

Arghus · 29-09-2020 10:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jaysus, once again completely opposite views of a segment I haven’t seen. Any honest brokers care to comment who may have - few and far between around here, hmmmm, jimhodge, Stephen?

I'll watch it and give my honest opinion. I do try to be an honest broker.

Akabusi · 29-09-2020 10:23PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Sorry folks, but which TV program were McConkey and Feeney on?

Prime time

Goldengirl · 29-09-2020 10:23PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Sorry folks, but which TV program were McConkey and Feeney on?

PrimeTime .

technocrat · 29-09-2020 10:24PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

But of course the lads here who just want to be told what they want to hear are lapping it up.

I could say the same for the reverse.
McConkey fans here obviously love attacking Feeneys position.

hynesie08 · 29-09-2020 10:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jaysus, once again completely opposite views of a segment I haven’t seen. Any honest brokers care to comment who may have - few and far between around here, hmmmm, jimhodge, Stephen?

Mcconkey was an absolute shambles, feeley presented his case well and if you agree with him it'll reinforce your view, but take the time to watch it.

Santy2015 · 29-09-2020 10:24PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Sorry folks, but which TV program were McConkey and Feeney on?

Prime time. Worth watching

normanoffside · 29-09-2020 10:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Just watched it Arghus , and would have been sceptical of Mr Feeney . However I think he wiped the floor with Sam McConkey .
It was almost as if McConkey "threw the match", iykwim?

douglashyde · 29-09-2020 10:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

The HSE stats are that 200 to 500 people die of the flu in Ireland every year.

That's .01% of the population. .1% would be 5000 people.

Covid is not the flu.

Public ignorance like this mixed with media sensationalism is the perfect storm.

I believe what you are referring to is the IFR (infection fatality rate)
For the flu the IFR is .01% and the CFR (case fatality rate) is 0.1%

For CV-19, the CFR in March/April was estimated by the WHO to be 3-4% with media reporting up to 25%. This is number is constantly being downgraded (thankfully). Here is the most recent 14 day epidemiology report from the HSE. The case fatality rate is .1%

BringBackMick · 29-09-2020 10:28PM

About time somebody asked Mcconkey some real questions and took him to task.

He has been given free reign on RTE tv and radio for many many months now and nobody has questioned him.

It is the free ride that everybody on NPHET gets also, nobody is asking them proper hard questions, they are just accepting what they say as gospel.

We need a proper debate in this country and stop putting these Medical managers and PHD la dee daas on a pedestal

plodder · 29-09-2020 10:28PM

Just watching Feeley and McConkey now. McConkey immediately jumped on "herd immunity" but Feeley never said anything about that. Same about testing.

It reminds me a bit of the interview with the Swedish guy the other day. It's not about finding what insights these people might have. It's about stamping on possible heresy.

McConkey citing Faroe islands and Greenland in support of his point

Gods Gift · 29-09-2020 10:28PM

Thousands if not tens of thousands people are walking around today unaware that they have covid19. That makes sense.

Azatadine · 29-09-2020 10:30PM

plodder wrote: »

Just watching Feeley and McConkey now. McConkey immediately jumped on "herd immunity" but Feeley never said anything about that. Same about testing.

It reminds me a bit of the interview with the Swedish guy the other day. It's not about finding what insights these people might have. It's about stamping on possible heresy.

McConkey citing Faroe islands and Greenland in support of his point

Yet there are posters on here who think McConkey won that debate.....

29-09-2020 10:30PM

Arghus wrote: »

I'll watch it and give my honest opinion. I do try to be an honest broker.

Cheers Arghus. We do have a few who accept a dissenting opinion on either side of the debates on here including yourself. We can’t all spend our time in one of Caveats buckets only listening to what reinforces our previous view.

You get the impression daily here that there are a few who are afraid of dissenting from the established position on any topic on their side of the argument lest they be lumped in with the deniers/ lockdowners and lose a few “Thanks” along the way

Goldengirl · 29-09-2020 10:31PM

Feeney came across measured and intelligent . McConkey was all over the place and illogical .
Feeney didn't say that young people weren't at risk but felt those that would be in vulnerable groups could be identified and shielded.
I disagree with this as some who are adversely affected have been shown , while not so far in great numbers , as being from a group who would not be supposed to be at risk.
He also said that with proper training and good PPE older people would not be infected by younger carers or nurses .
This does not take into account the numbers if HCWs that are becoming infected every week however .
Overall Feeney won the debate , whether you agree with him or not .
I think McConkey's default position is a bit hysterical anyway .

stephenjmcd · 29-09-2020 10:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Jaysus, once again completely opposite views of a segment I haven’t seen. Any honest brokers care to comment who may have - few and far between around here, hmmmm, jimhodge, Stephen?

Haven't seen it myself. Stopped watching prime time a while go. Just seen the conversation on it here so I'll have to take a look at the RTE player when it's uploaded

Santy2015 · 29-09-2020 10:33PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Haven't seen it myself. Stopped watching prime time a while go. Just seen the conversation on it here so I'll have to take a look at the RTE player when it's uploaded

Rte plus 1 on sky?

Deeper Blue · 29-09-2020 10:34PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

I'm vindicated more and more every day

Well aren't you great?

Did you actually read the conclusion of the study?

“SARS-CoV-2 reinfection can occur but is a rare phenomenon suggestive of a strong protective immunity against reinfection that lasts for at least a few months post primary infection.”

plodder · 29-09-2020 10:35PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Yet there are posters on here who think McConkey won that debate.....

Winning and losing misses the point imo. Feeley was hesitant and uncomfortable. For some people that means he "lost". I'm not sure what to make of it tbh. But, I think the points he was trying to make deserve more discussion.

Goldengirl · 29-09-2020 10:35PM

BringBackMick wrote: »

About time somebody asked Mcconkey some real questions and took him to task.

He has been given free reign on RTE tv and radio for many many months now and nobody has questioned him.

It is the free ride that everybody on NPHET gets also, nobody is asking them proper hard questions, they are just accepting what they say as gospel.

We need a proper debate in this country and stop putting these Medical managers and PHD la dee daas on a pedestal

So what category would you be putting Feeney in then ?

Santy2015 · 29-09-2020 10:37PM

plodder wrote: »

Winning and losing misses the point imo. Feeley was hesitant and uncomfortable. For some people that means he "lost". I'm not sure what to make of it tbh. But, I think the points he was trying to make deserve more discussion.

I didn’t think he was hesitant or uncomfortable. He was calm and measured in his responses to McConkey. McConkey went on tangents to give his view some substance but mention Greenland as a country for us to look up to, loses the debate immediately in my view.
That’s my take on it anyway.

ACitizenErased · 29-09-2020 10:37PM

Latest COVID tracker update (24hrs)
People who tested positive and uploaded random IDs +78
Close contacts identified +103

CiarraiManc · 29-09-2020 10:38PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Well aren't you great?

Did you actually read the conclusion of the study?

“SARS-CoV-2 reinfection can occur but is a rare phenomenon suggestive of a strong protective immunity against reinfection that lasts for at least a few months post primary infection.”

And what good is a few months to anyone in the face of a virus as potent as this one ?

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 10:39PM

Pierce Doherty making good points in favour of unemployed people and mortgage payment breaks. Government should pressure the banks to play ball as it’s stressful enough for people.

29-09-2020 10:39PM

all that he wanted was a debate and to set the record straight having been ravaged out of context in the press since he stepped down. he has tons of pedigree and deserved to be heard. but I supposed he's no martin king of the covid business like luke EH OH masks are great but maybe not, just wash your hands and when they're clean wave to MTV and my investors. O neil...

BringBackMick · 29-09-2020 10:40PM

Just look at this clique

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

We all know many in the medical field are well up their own arse, imagine have 26 top brass of these making these decisions with no oversight....it is scary.

hynesie08 · 29-09-2020 10:40PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

And what good is a few months to anyone in the face of a virus as potent as this one ?

What does potent mean in your world?

Jim_Hodge · 29-09-2020 10:41PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Christ!

Look at his history. Ignore and don't throw any food over the bridge.

Deeper Blue · 29-09-2020 10:41PM

CiarraiManc wrote: »

And what good is a few months to anyone in the face of a virus as potent as this one ?

It says at least a few months, for all we know it could last for decades for the majority

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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