Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

s1ippy · 29-09-2020 07:28PM

I can't keep up with the disagreement and arguing around covid. What does it accomplish? Two stances, put simply; we're doing fine vs we're f'd.

But not everything has to be an argument. Why does it have to be either or. Why can't it be "we have high numbers and that's bad but we've managed to get things under control before so we can do it again."

The mirth some people take in proving someone else wrong so they can feel vindicated, it's very very sad. I just hope we're all wrong and the whole planet is wiped out in a flash some day and all this will have been completely immaterial.

Santy2015 · 29-09-2020 07:28PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

It does affect it when three days in a row we are getting numbers from last week

Exactly, makes me wonde do people actually want huge numbers.. if these cases were announced on the day it wouldn’t be as alarming. Plus I know it would be the same amount cases over the 7 day period.

polesheep · 29-09-2020 07:28PM

spookwoman wrote: »

It does kill young people, 127 people under the age of 65 have died who were infected with covid.
How many of those would still be alive if they did not get covid?
We know if someone has an underlying condition that it exasperates the effects of the virus, but those people are still dead. We know some races are more prone to worst effects of the virus are you going to use the same excuse for those deaths as well.

You try to make out that young people are snatched in their prime by Covid, but the truth is if you are so vulnerable in youth that you can be carried off by Covid then you were very unlikely to make it to a ripe old age ..Covid or no Covid. Spin it whatever way you like but young, uncompromised people do not have to worry about dying from Covid. And now you've sneakily moved the goalposts to age 65. Don't think I haven't noticed

ACitizenErased · 29-09-2020 07:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Showing your intelligence level now I see.

Classy as ever! Lovely person.

wowzer · 29-09-2020 07:32PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't keep up with the disagreement and arguing around covid. What does it accomplish? Two stances, put simply; we're doing fine vs we're f'd.

But not everything has to be an argument. Why does it have to be either or. Why can't it be "we have high numbers and that's bad but we've managed to get things under control before so we can do it again."

The mirth some people take in proving someone else wrong so they can feel vindicated, it's very very sad. I just hope we're all wrong and the whole planet is wiped out in a flash some day and all this will have been completely immaterial.

Arguements and disagreements are fine and debate is welcome, it's the condescension, arrogance and smugness that ruins things.

JP Liz V1 · 29-09-2020 07:32PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Cork is 20 per 100k
Dublin is 12

niallo27 · 29-09-2020 07:34PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Well that answer puts you in the socio/psychopath spectrum imo.

Why you would put thousands of people out of work to save someone who probably only has a few months to live. So yes if wanting to provide for my family and give them the best life they can makes me a psychopath then **** it I am.

The_Brood · 29-09-2020 07:35PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't keep up with the disagreement and arguing around covid. What does it accomplish? Two stances, put simply; we're doing fine vs we're f'd.

But not everything has to be an argument. Why does it have to be either or. Why can't it be "we have high numbers and that's bad but we've managed to get things under control before so we can do it again."

The mirth some people take in proving someone else wrong so they can feel vindicated, it's very very sad. I just hope we're all wrong and the whole planet is wiped out in a flash some day and all this will have been completely immaterial.

I'm greatly tired too but the government is certainly not tired of destroying businesses and people's mental health with restrictions, endlessly confusing rules, and absolutely no end plan in sight. That will also naturally create endless arguments and toxic attitudes.

Benimar · 29-09-2020 07:38PM

For those claiming that NPHET want a big number, the highest announced total last week was 430 (on a day there could actually have been 430, we don’t know as it was a Sunday) The overall average was 355.

So, the ‘scary number’ is 75 higher than if they had announced the average each day.

People know this is how it is being working for ages, so you shouldn’t be claiming ‘stabilisation’ on a day cases are less then swabs, if you are then going to complain on the day cases exceed swabs.

What Username Guidelines · 29-09-2020 07:45PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't keep up with the disagreement and arguing around covid. What does it accomplish? Two stances, put simply; we're doing fine vs we're f'd.

But not everything has to be an argument. Why does it have to be either or. Why can't it be "we have high numbers and that's bad but we've managed to get things under control before so we can do it again."

The mirth some people take in proving someone else wrong so they can feel vindicated, it's very very sad. I just hope we're all wrong and the whole planet is wiped out in a flash some day and all this will have been completely immaterial.

It’s because people take a hard stance at either end of the spectrum and view others along the spectrum as being on the other extreme end no matter where they fall.

If group A suggest easing restrictions, they’ll get called heartless granny killers or that they’ve their head in the sand.

If group B suggest taking a more cautious approach, they’re curtain twitchers, too scared to leave their house, or they’ll be accused of pulling themselves in enjoyment.

Certainly there are some posters that don’t do themselves any favours. Either posting lots of bad news or poorly dismissing reality when it’s obvious some aspects are just ****.

Funny part is, everyone just wants this to be over. No one knows the route out. Could it really be just overblown and maybe we open up and see what happens? Or is it even worse than we expect and being over cautious until a vaccine comes, even if another year away, is actually safer?

There’s no right answer and there are so many variables that as the government pull levers and see what happens weeks later, which is unfortunately the only way forward, you will of course find people disagreeing with each decision. Some restrictions are plain confusing, some ideas will be rejected because of people’s own circumstances and/or agendas, etc.

There’s a thread for schools, easing restrictions, masks, Sweden, etc, I’d love if the general thread could be a bit more general tbh with better debate. But it’s snippy arguments and oneupmanship mostly.

Professor Moriarty · 29-09-2020 07:47PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Why you would put thousands of people out of work to save someone who probably only has a few months to live. So yes if wanting to provide for my family and give them the best life they can makes me a psychopath then **** it I am.

There is that valid argument. Do you have any close elderly relatives yourself?

niallo27 · 29-09-2020 07:49PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

There is that valid argument. Do you have any close elderly relatives yourself?

Yes I do, but I wouldn't expect thousands of people that have never met me to sacrifice their livelihoods to save them. Would you expect them to.

Non solum non ambulabit · 29-09-2020 07:51PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

63% of the population is aged under 45, so this is not very surprising.

Exactly. People that state the majority of cases are in the under 45s as if it is an issue have a very dishonest agenda. Under 45s are also in the main those working in frontine jobs all across the economy

s1ippy · 29-09-2020 07:52PM

The_Brood wrote: »

I'm greatly tired too but the government is certainly not tired of destroying businesses and people's mental health with restrictions, endlessly confusing rules, and absolutely no end plan in sight. That will also naturally create endless arguments and toxic attitudes.

Definitely. Why do we direct the conflict at each other? We all really do hate this situation. A clear plan can surely be drawn up by them. No ifs and buts, but something tangible. Actual investment. An overhaul of the system. It's just not possible with the political shambles in the Western world. It's based around utter greed and plainly not set up for the benefit of the majority.

There will be more viruses after this, if we even manage to get over it, and climate change acceleration, and crop shortages and drought. The government are absolutely awful, they only don't look it because all of Europe is just as cat. Imagine when the disaster after next hits. What will the world look like then.

Not to coin a tired cliché of theirs, but we need to work together now more than ever. All this wasted energy fighting over insubstantial boll0cks could be put to great use in banding together and sorting things out in a way that actually does sort something out.

We could focus on skills/goods exchange databases, so that people who are willing to help others and give things away in their community can do so. Money is the main reason we've gone from a stable situation to this sh!tshow. When money is at the centre, everyone needs more than they have and hoardes more than they need.

Professor Moriarty · 29-09-2020 07:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes I do, but I wouldn't expect thousands of people that have never met me to sacrifice their livelihoods to save them. Would you expect them to.

I dunno. If a close elderly relative died prematurely because of Covid-19, I would wonder why certain sections of society thought it unnecessary to protect them. If they were a rare and unfortunate case then I probably wouldn't have a problem. If they were just one of many Covid-19 fatalities, then I would have expected far more from society. Either way, I would have lost a loved one and their death would most likely have been a very difficult death.

petes · 29-09-2020 07:55PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Why you would put thousands of people out of work to save someone who probably only has a few months to live. So yes if wanting to provide for my family and give them the best life they can makes me a psychopath then **** it I am.

It makes you something alright, I'd use a different word than psychopath.

manniot2 · 29-09-2020 07:55PM

Thank god for Michael McNamara TD. The only competent TD in Ireland.

Wolf359f · 29-09-2020 07:59PM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Would anyone have the swab results from last Tuesday?

Last Tuesday we had a total of 36800 positive swabs.
If that's any use to you.
So +2490 swabs the past 7 days.

niallo27 · 29-09-2020 08:09PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I dunno. If a close elderly relative died prematurely because of Covid-19, I would wonder why certain sections of society thought it unnecessary to protect them. If they were a rare and unfortunate case then I probably wouldn't have a problem. If they were just one of many Covid-19 fatalities, then I would have expected far more from society. Either way, I would have lost a loved one and their death would most likely have been a very difficult death.

We are doing our best to protect them, the majority of us are. The whole country is wearing masks, we are terrified of going near each other. The original post was about thousands of jobs and it was worth possibly ruining 1000s of lives to save one vunerable old person. I think if we are being honest with ourselves its not a sacrifice we should make.

Professor Moriarty · 29-09-2020 08:15PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We are doing our best to protect them, the majority of us are. The whole country is wearing masks, we are terrified of going near each other. The original post was about thousands of jobs and it was worth possibly ruining 1000s of lives to save one vunerable old person. I think if we are being honest with ourselves its not a sacrifice we should make.

If it's one life for thousands of jobs, then no, it's not worth it. However, there is always going to be a cost/benefit analysis. Cost being deaths and benefit being jobs.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 08:20PM

niallo27 wrote: »

We are doing our best to protect them, the majority of us are. The whole country is wearing masks, we are terrified of going near each other. The original post was about thousands of jobs and it was worth possibly ruining 1000s of lives to save one vunerable old person. I think if we are being honest with ourselves its not a sacrifice we should make.

Nobody is ruining lives, setbacks a plenty yes, such is covid.

The whole country are not wearing masks. Most yes. Compliance should be higher though. I’m just back from shopping and saw quite evidently... the whole country are NOT wearing masks. Restriction of allowing non mask wearers into most public controllable environments should and needs to be rigorously enforced... ie. Shops / shopping centers.

niallo27 · 29-09-2020 08:29PM

Strumms wrote: »

Nobody is ruining lives, setbacks a plenty yes, such is covid.

The whole country are not wearing masks. Most yes. Compliance should be higher though. I’m just back from shopping and saw quite evidently... the whole country are NOT wearing masks. Restriction of allowing non mask wearers into most public controllable environments should and needs to be rigorously enforced... ie. Shops / shopping centers.

I can only speak for the clare/limerick area and I have yet to meet anyone who hasn't wore a mask inside. I think you are being naieve if you think a lot of small businesses will never open again and a lot of lives could be ruined.

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 08:35PM

Residents not happy in Galway.

"Disgraceful, They be going into people's gardens going to the toilet, they have the church destroyed....pallets of drink"

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1311009241130557440?s=20

bush · 29-09-2020 08:36PM

Strumms wrote: »

Nobody is ruining lives, setbacks a plenty yes, such is covid.

The whole country are not wearing masks. Most yes. Compliance should be higher though. I’m just back from shopping and saw quite evidently... the whole country are NOT wearing masks. Restriction of allowing non mask wearers into most public controllable environments should and needs to be rigorously enforced... ie. Shops / shopping centers.

I can't remember the last time I saw someone without a mask in a shop. Mask wearing is not a problem.

froog · 29-09-2020 08:37PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I can't keep up with the disagreement and arguing around covid. What does it accomplish? Two stances, put simply; we're doing fine vs we're f'd.

But not everything has to be an argument. Why does it have to be either or. Why can't it be "we have high numbers and that's bad but we've managed to get things under control before so we can do it again."

The mirth some people take in proving someone else wrong so they can feel vindicated, it's very very sad. I just hope we're all wrong and the whole planet is wiped out in a flash some day and all this will have been completely immaterial.

taking a definite position and defending it at all costs gives people a sense of control in hard times. their thoughts are firmly in order, and so they must have some control on the world around them. no one wants to be unsure of themselves in an emergency situation. this is all multiplied a hundredfold by the vast echochamber that is the internet.

that's my armchair psychologist take on it anyway.

29-09-2020 08:39PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Residents not happy in Galway.

"Disgraceful, They be going into people's gardens going to the toilet, they have the church destroyed....pallets of drink"

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1311009241130557440?s=20

Off licence sales to be limited to the over 35s.

Happydays2020 · 29-09-2020 08:42PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If it's one life for thousands of jobs, then no, it's not worth it. However, there is always going to be a cost/benefit analysis. Cost being deaths and benefit being jobs.

It is not just jobs, it is future tax revenues which can fund health and save lives.

polesheep · 29-09-2020 08:43PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

If it's one life for thousands of jobs, then no, it's not worth it. However, there is always going to be a cost/benefit analysis. Cost being deaths and benefit being jobs.

Always has been. How many hunters are you willing to sacrifice to kill the mammoth? It's just life.

Boggles · 29-09-2020 08:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Off licence sales to be limited to the over 35s.

Are you trying to give the Vintners an erection?

The_Brood · 29-09-2020 08:44PM

Strumms wrote: »

The greater danger is physical health.

Decisions are being made to keep people first of all physically healthy and alive.

The mental health excuses stopped being anything other than selfish BS months ago. In the main used for and by the business community to push for ‘ fûck it, just open everything we like making money ‘ and the needy we ‘want to socialize fûckwits... ‘. It’s exactly playing into the virus hands while fûcking over every health worker and every hard working society and socially minded person who is sacrificing and trying to be a team player.

I fear to even imagine how gullible you are to the government's nonsensical bull**** if you truly believe they are doing this for "physical health."

If that was truly their number one priority, they'd do a proper Chinese-style lockdown, all rights be damned and get rid of the virus. China has no more domestic cases and life is completely back to normal there.

Now tell me what stopped them from doing that, and explain how whatever it was that stopped them supersedes the "protect life at all costs" narrative you think this government is pushing?

The schools are open full swing spreading around the virus. I guess "physical health" doesn't necessitate them closing? Angry parents more important than "physical health" ?

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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