Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

petes · 29-09-2020 10:40AM

ranto_boy wrote: »

Close the offies. Ban the sale of drink. Hello a significant proportion of our population clogging the hospitals. You are aware how dangerous withdrawal from alcohol is for those people, right?

You think these people are dependent on alcohol? Any backup to that?

I'm well aware of withdrawals thanks, I've been through them a few times.

Curious_Case · 29-09-2020 10:40AM

We are witnessing humanity's inability to act in a cohesive, coordinated manner.
The average swarm, flock, herd or shoal would outdo us in terms of reaching a broad concensus.

Perhaps one should have to sit a Mensa test before seeking election?
Committee stupidity is just as dangerous as bad driving (licence required).

29-09-2020 10:50AM

Curious_Case wrote: »

We are witnessing humanity's inability to act in a cohesive, coordinated manner.
The average swarm, flock or herd would outdo us in terms of reaching a broad concensus.

Perhaps one should have to sit a Mensa test before seeking election?
Committee stupidity is just as dangerous as bad driving (licence required).

A functional literacy and numeracy test would be a start - learn to walk before we run

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 10:52AM

polesheep wrote: »

In one sense that would be a good thing as it would bring the restrictions crashing down.

And the longest line of traffic into Northern Ireland you've ever seen.

DebDynamite · 29-09-2020 10:52AM

AdamD wrote: »

Swap house parties for dinner parties, which don't make social media and I can guarantee people of all ages aren't adhering to these guidelines. Using the term house parties in itself makes people think of young people drinking, conveniently ignores the multitude of other situations happening that cause as many issues.

Exactly, not only is it unfairly villainising young people, it’s making people holding the 50th birthday party or the communion party think they’re not the problem, as they’re not young ones snogging each other, or dancing and singing in close proximity to the background of loud music. A catch-all term like ‘house gatherings’ should be used instead.

Curious_Case · 29-09-2020 10:52AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A functional literacy and numeracy test would be a start - learn to walk before we run

Sadly, true.

ACitizenErased · 29-09-2020 10:53AM

Jesus Christ, reading the last 12 hours from this thread was like reading something from an elderly extremist group

Pablo Escobar · 29-09-2020 10:53AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A significant portion? All evidence todate suggests a very small portion who were hospitalised. I'm not downplaying the virus but it's not the 'black death' either.

It's not just people that were hospitalised. The stats apply to everyone.

I'm now 7/8 months in (was not hospitalised) and have minor (yes, minor) lung issues. But I've now been put on a 6 month treatment as of last Saturday. So, next review will likely be 14 months after.

Is it hindering my quality of life? No, not particularly at the moment. But I'd totally recommend people to try to avoid getting it as it will affect everyone on a different level.

I'm 34, I'm fairly fit and lucky enough to have health insurance. I'm not sure I'd be a priority otherwise.

BagheeraBlue · 29-09-2020 10:56AM

you would think people would get it through their head by now its here to stay just like influenza ,so get up and get on with it

29-09-2020 10:57AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's not just people that were hospitalised. The stats apply to everyone.

I'm now 7/8 months in (was not hospitalised) and have minor (yes, minor) lung issues. But I've now been put on a 6 month treatment as of last Saturday. So, next review will likely be 14 months after.

Is it hindering my quality of life? No, not particularly at the moment. But I'd totally recommend people to try to avoid getting it as it will affect everyone on a different level.

I'm 34, I'm fairly fit and lucky enough to have health insurance. I'm not sure I'd be a priority otherwise.

do you have any underlying conditions?? or define minor lung issues? Asthma?

ACitizenErased · 29-09-2020 10:59AM

“Lockdowns are bad for the health service” - CEO of the HSE
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310880431840124929?s=21

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 11:01AM

rusty cole wrote: »

do you have any underlying conditions?? or define minor lung issues? Asthma?

Yeah or did you fall off a ladder? :cool:

Sam Russell · 29-09-2020 11:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Explain how 0.16% of the population of Lombardy have died or 0.2% of the population of New York?

A lot of fiddling is being done with the figures worldwide.

Tests: The UK counts a 'home test' as a test - the kit is delivered to a home and the occupant self administered the test - or not. How is that got any validity.

Deaths: Many states in the USA are having a huge increase year on year with people dying from pulmonary related conditions (like 20 times as many) while reporting only a few Covid deaths. The UK only considers a death as Covid if it occurs within 28 days of a positive test. We have patients in ICU for over 60 days with Covid.

This is massaging the figures.

Away With The Fairies · 29-09-2020 11:02AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Carol MacNeill bringing up deficiency in School contact tracing and testing.

"School teacher, waiting 5 days for contact tracing to be contacted"

Tracing:

"Child tested positive, school clearly told to leave tracing to HSE according to schools understanding."

"Child tested positive weren't contacted by HSE and parent contacted the school direct to warn and pod sent home"

The work of the HSE, doesn't leave you with much confidence when it's a parent contacting the school.

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 11:02AM

Contact tracing creaking.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310877110051975168?s=20

29-09-2020 11:06AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“Lockdowns are bad for the health service” - CEO of the HSE
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310880431840124929?s=21

In fairness our health service is bad for the health service. Treatment delays, waiting lists, failures in preventative medicine, a two tiered system, chronic understaffing and unfilled vacancies, capacity issues (trollies). These factors have clogged up our health system over the years.

29-09-2020 11:09AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Contact tracing creaking.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310877110051975168?s=20

I think a study in Switzerland estimated that once the 14 day average was over 50 per 100,000 tracing would begin to struggle, We're well past that now. I'll try and find a link to the study.

29-09-2020 11:10AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah or did you fall off a ladder? :cool:

yeah that just went way over my head charles spearman!

Icantthinkof1 · 29-09-2020 11:18AM

rusty cole wrote: »

define minor lung issues? Asthma?

Um...asthma is not a ‘minor’ lung issue

TomSweeney · 29-09-2020 11:22AM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prepare-for-six-to-nine-months-of-covid-19-restraints-warn-health-officials-1.4366922

IT being responsible as always ...

"There will be no vaccine in 9 months time"

Despite the fact that we are on the cusp of 2 being approved ...

fearmongering nonsense from the IT

29-09-2020 11:24AM

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

It's not just people that were hospitalised. The stats apply to everyone.

I'm now 7/8 months in (was not hospitalised) and have minor (yes, minor) lung issues. But I've now been put on a 6 month treatment as of last Saturday. So, next review will likely be 14 months after.

Is it hindering my quality of life? No, not particularly at the moment. But I'd totally recommend people to try to avoid getting it as it will affect everyone on a different level.

I'm 34, I'm fairly fit and lucky enough to have health insurance. I'm not sure I'd be a priority otherwise.

My mother in law got pneumonia as a teenager and still suffers after effects 50 years later. Its not a new phenomenon

Irish Steve · 29-09-2020 11:25AM

da_miser wrote: »

Dont see many sacrifices from those older people the last few years retired on a nice pension in a house they own towards the young working for minimum wage, taxed to pay for the retired while living in a dog box apartment with zero prospects for a good future.
Nearly all economists agree there will be no old age pension for the young currently working to pay for those receiving it now, and you want these young folk to go into even more debt to keep you safe and add another year to your already 80+?
I expect the UK to be the first major country to see the public revolt against these lock down covid laws in a meaningful way, riots by mid October, full on insurrection by Guy Fawkes Night, November 5th.

And how many of the young generation have had to deal with trying to survive with inflation at 23%, and power cuts for 18 hours out of 24 hours as a result of strike action? The 70's and 80's were not a cake walk for people trying to get on the housing ladder back then, and then like now, if you wanted a good future, you bloody well worked for it, not expected it to be handed to you on a plate.

The money that's already been thrown at all aspects of Covid is unprecedented, and it's far from over, anyone that thinks it's going to be simple to solve all the problems that are happening now is living in cloud cuckoo land.

The economy is already blown out of the water, that happened a long time ago, but the wriggling, ducking and diving and weaving that was done by the EU, IMF and others meant that it wasn't allowed to happen in the way it should have, this last 9 months will just serve to make sure that the eventual rebalancing of many aspects of life will be even more fundamental than it was going to be. As for where the pain will be felt, that's going to be a very interesting revelation.

29-09-2020 11:25AM

Sam Russell wrote: »

The UK only considers a death as Covid if it occurs within 28 days of a positive test. We have patients in ICU for over 60 days with Covid.

That's not quite right. The 28 day limit only applies to deaths outside of hospital.

The original problem was people who contracted Covid and recovered but subsequently died from an unrelated issue were still counted as a Covid death. The 28 day limit is to prevent that. People who are hospitalised and die still count regardless of the time frame.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 11:29AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

“Lockdowns are bad for the health service” - CEO of the HSE
https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1310880431840124929?s=21

Yeah. By this logic people who have panic attacks at a red light while driving cars should be allowed to drive on through them right !

The mental heath brigade out in force again to try and undermine everything. And try and shout down anybody criticizing them.

If I’m Qing in a supermarket later, but have a panic attack in the Q, by the logic of this lot I probably should be able to take my 200 euros worth of groceries , bring it to the car and go home without paying... when the Gardai stop me and enquire what I’m doing “ ahhh no, my mental health you see ! “ “ ahh grand so, sorry about that, on your way so”....

We are never going to get out of this with these pricks and their enablers and excusers... it’s not ALL mental heath either , enough of them are happy to walk under that banner as long as it gives them a hall pass with their selfish as fûck needy asswipe behavior...:rolleyes:

DraftDodger · 29-09-2020 11:31AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prepare-for-six-to-nine-months-of-covid-19-restraints-warn-health-officials-1.4366922

IT being responsible as always ...

"There will be no vaccine in 9 months time"

Despite the fact that we are on the cusp of 2 being approved ...

fearmongering nonsense from the IT

There is a massive difference between having a vaccine and having a widespread safe rollout of the vaccine to the population.

The fear mongering phrase is vastly over used btw.

TonyMaloney · 29-09-2020 11:38AM

Deleted User wrote: »

My mother in law got pneumonia as a teenager and still suffers after effects 50 years later. Its not a new phenomenon

Right.

But now imagine your mother and millions (guess) of others around the globe acquired a prolonged illness at roughly the same time.

We don't have the first clue about the world's seroprevalence, but I think it's safe to assume that there's still plenty of scope for this big problem to become much bigger.

Plumbthedepths · 29-09-2020 11:39AM

Strumms wrote: »

Yeah. By this logic people who have panic attacks at a red light while driving cars should be allowed to drive on through them right !

The mental heath brigade out in force again to try and undermine everything. And try and shout down anybody criticizing them.

If I’m Qing in a supermarket later, but have a panic attack in the Q, by the logic of this lot I probably should be able to take my 200 euros worth of groceries , bring it to the car and go home without paying... when the Gardai stop me and enquire what I’m doing “ ahhh no, my mental health you see ! “ “ ahh grand so, sorry about that, on your way so”....

We are never going to get out of this with these pricks and their enablers and excusers... it’s not ALL mental heath either , enough of them are happy to walk under that banner as long as it gives them a hall pass with their selfish as fûck needy asswipe behavior...:rolleyes:

Considering your partner's occupation your dismissal of mental health is strange, then again maybe it's not you described i believe a 12 year child needing her help as a 'needy little bollix' or a description very close to that.

hmmm · 29-09-2020 11:42AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/prepare-for-six-to-nine-months-of-covid-19-restraints-warn-health-officials-1.4366922

IT being responsible as always ...

"There will be no vaccine in 9 months time"

Despite the fact that we are on the cusp of 2 being approved ...

fearmongering nonsense from the IT

We need realism, because a lot of people were under the impression that this would all end quickly. The people shouting about "fear mongering" are delusional because they refuse to accept reality.

Although if anything people are getting more pessimistic just at the point where things are beginning to look better. Perhaps it's those of us who were ready for an 18-month event who can now see the end in sight, where if you were someone who thought it would be over after a few weeks you'd probably be pretty sad right now as reality dawns.

So two points I'd like to make:
1. This was always likely to be an 18 month event for the worst of it. Winter will be difficult.
2. We are about to turn the corner with vaccines, rapid testing and better treatments arriving.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 11:44AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Considering your partner's occupation your dismissal of mental health is strange, then again maybe it's not you described i believe a 12 year child needing her help as a 'needy little bollix' or a description very close to that.

I haven’t dismissed it at all, even though that’s a disingenuous spin you’d like to and frequently attempt to put on things.

. My comments related to people knowing zero about mental health but using it as a hall pass to railroad their argument as having some greater importance and truth, nothing was further in fact from the truth and they’ve been found out. The anti lockdown and anti restriction brigade being the chief culprits

Plenty of psychologists are in agreement that restrictions, lockdowns etc while tough, while caused issues were the correct decisions for society and the wellbeing of.

Paddygreen · 29-09-2020 11:45AM

There are plenty of head meds out there to manage mental health issues. Anyone who is cracking up because life as they knew it has been turned upside down or is in severe financial difficulties because they have no work, no prospects for work and a whole load of financial commitments that they can’t cover can get a prescription guys. Most Gps will happily dish out all sorts of potent head meds on a whim like they are smarties at a five year olds birthday party , there’s no problem guys. The rapid decline of people’s quality of life , financial security and mental health isn’t an issue if we can save just one person from probable C19, that’s what matters. Hold firm we are all in it together.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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