Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

Widdensushi · 29-09-2020 02:05AM

Strumms wrote: »

World health organization says otherwise I’ll go with them

Link, either way you know that is completely incorrect so it's Deliberate misinformation

da_miser · 29-09-2020 02:07AM

dalyboy wrote: »

I reckon the HSE will find some “flaw” in it.
They’re not going to give up their abomination 3-4 day turnaround PCR test that easily. 15 minute test would mean we would get back to a semblance of normality fairly quickly and that’ll blow the doomsday narrative for them.

97% accurate, so 3 out of every 100 infected with a KILLER virus will be going about their day , zero effects of this Covid19 but spreading this LETHAL virus far and wide, the so called super spreaders and asymptomatic
Sounds like a winning plan to me.
Ireland should order a few million of these test at a €1,000,000,000 cost.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 02:07AM

da_miser wrote: »

Dont see many sacrifices from those older people the last few years retired on a nice pension in a house they own towards the young working for minimum wage, taxed to pay for the retired while living in a dog box apartment with zero prospects for a good future.
Nearly all economists agree there will be no old age pension for the young currently working to pay for those receiving it now, and you want these young folk to go into even more debt to keep you safe and add another year to your already 80+?
I expect the UK to be the first major country to see the public revolt against these lock down covid laws in a meaningful way, riots by mid October, full on insurrection by Guy Fawkes Night, November 5th.

The retired payed tax for long enough and still do on purchases. The retired payed it too, between 25%-60% on income in the 1980’s depending what they earned. They are entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

A public revolt in the uk won’t be happening.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 02:14AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

Link, either way you know that is completely incorrect so it's Deliberate misinformation

I’m sure using google you can find the WHO info. It’s not beyond you. They even have a website.

da_miser · 29-09-2020 02:16AM

Strumms wrote: »

The retired payed tax for long enough and still do on purchases. The retired payed it too, between 25%-60% on income in the 1980’s depending what they earned. They are entitled to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

A public revolt in the uk won’t be happening.

The old are now benefiting from a social welfare pension that the young are paying for that will not be there for them when they get old.
"between 25%-60%"???
You must not work , what do you think the tax rate is today for working people?
The UK will be in full revolt against Covid 19 restriction by November 5th, bank on it!

Widdensushi · 29-09-2020 02:17AM

Strumms wrote: »

I’m sure using google you can find the WHO info. It’s not beyond you. They even have a website.

You know that is not correct

Strumms · 29-09-2020 02:19AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

You know that is not correct

What you can’t find the website ?

Strumms · 29-09-2020 02:21AM

da_miser wrote: »

The old are now benefiting from a social welfare pension that the young are paying for that will not be there for them when they get old.
"between 25%-60%"???
You must not work , what do you think the tax rate is today for working people?
The UK will be in full revolt against Covid 19 restriction by November 5th, bank on it!

I must not work, no I don’t work, at all in fact.

Widdensushi · 29-09-2020 02:23AM

Strumms wrote: »

What you can’t find the website ?

You know the mortality rate is far less than 5%.

da_miser · 29-09-2020 02:34AM

Strumms wrote: »

I must not work, no I don’t work, at all in fact.

Your lack of knowledge of current tax rates confirmed that

fritzelly · 29-09-2020 02:35AM

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Projected deaths 19000

https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

Add that site to your banned list - it's junk

Goldengirl · 29-09-2020 02:58AM

da_miser wrote: »

Your lack of knowledge of current tax rates confirmed that

Eh, he was talking about the tax rates the present pensioners that you are giving out about paid back in the 80s and 90 s .
Penal times with mortgage rates up to 13.5% , think 15 % at one stage early 90s .
Now that ..was tough .

mandrake04 · 29-09-2020 03:51AM

da_miser wrote: »

97% accurate, so 3 out of every 100 infected with a KILLER virus will be going about their day , zero effects of this Covid19 but spreading this LETHAL virus far and wide, the so called super spreaders and asymptomatic
Sounds like a winning plan to me.
Ireland should order a few million of these test at a €1,000,000,000 cost.

97% is at best, much lower in the real world. Still in all its probably better than nothing and rapid tests have a use especially in developing countries where they don't have necessary resources.

The companies claim their tests are about 97% accurate, but that is in optimal conditions. Find puts their sensitivity between 80% and 90% in real-world conditions. That would pick up most infections. There is relatively little testing in most low- and middle-income countries at present. While North America tests 395 people per 100,000 population daily and Europe tests 243, Africa tests fewer than 16 – and most of those are in Morocco, Kenya and Senegal.

There are rapid antigen tests available for sale online, but these are the first to meet the WHO’s specifications and some tests have fallen short. Spain had to send back two batches of rapid tests it bought from unlicensed companies in China in March, because they were said to be faulty.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/28/covid-19-tests-that-give-results-in-minutes-to-be-rolled-out-across-world

mandrake04 · 29-09-2020 03:54AM

dalyboy wrote: »

I reckon the HSE will find some “flaw” in it.
They’re not going to give up their abomination 3-4 day turnaround PCR test that easily. 15 minute test would mean we would get back to a semblance of normality fairly quickly and that’ll blow the doomsday narrative for them.

PCR tests take 3 hours to run a batch of 94, long turnaround is due to lack of resources.... most developed countries can return a test result same day maybe next day at the most.

stephenjmcd · 29-09-2020 06:05AM

JJayoo wrote: »

I pity the cops, gonna be a busy week

Well a friend of mine lives nearby and recorded most of it(waiting for it to go onto social media before I post it) it was the Gardai who encouraged everyone to go to one point of Spanish Arch, the "crowd" was much more spread out until they asked everyone to go over the bridge. (Not sure why you'd want a spread out crowd closer together)

Still shouldn't happen but the full picture is needed before coming to conclusions here.

However there is one video from shop street of a large group around a busker, thats people just being stupid.

Foe the groups, Gardai can use public order legislation if things are getting out of hand but they're fairly stuck other than that

29-09-2020 06:15AM

Strumms wrote: »

World health organization says otherwise I’ll go with them

No they don't. WHO estimates IFR at between 0.5 and 1%.

patnor1011 · 29-09-2020 07:09AM

New CDC data confirm that the Wuhan coronavirus poses almost zero death risk in people below the age of 50 (see details below). At the same time, these data also confirm the virus remains extremely dangerous to people over the age of 70, and the CDC estimates that 1 in 18 elderly people who contract the virus (i.e. are “infected”) end up being killed by it.

Meanwhile, the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for people 50 – 69 years is 1 in 200, making it far deadlier than the seasonal flu for individuals in that group.

But for people aged 20 – 49 years, the IFR drops to just 1 in 5000. This means that for every 5,000 people who are infected within this age group, one fatality is expected.

Those below the age of 20 have an even lower fatality rate: About 1 in 33,000.

In summary, the risk of death from the coronavirus in people under the age of 50 is extremely small, and approaching zero.

These numbers are based on the CDC’s new data released at the following link, using “Scenario 5” which is labeled, “Current Best Estimate.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Most importantly, these data show that coronavirus “cases” are meaningless if detected in someone who isn’t sick. The media continues to try to terrorize the nations by claiming tens of thousands of new “cases” each day, but these cases are almost universally non-significant in that the patients demonstrate no symptoms and no sickness. Furthermore, the tests being used to diagnose such “cases” are extremely unreliable and likely rooted in predominantly false positives.

In fact, in a truly shocking development that has not been reported by the scaremongering news media, the former Chief Science Officer of Pfizer is now claiming the entire “second wave” of the pandemic is being faked through the use of unreliable mass testing that’s producing mostly false positives.
The more you test the more "cases" you get.

The bottom line? Unless you’re over the age of 60 or so, the coronavirus poses very little risk to you. The lockdown reactions toward the virus are wildly exaggerated and medically unnecessary. While precautions should be taken for those who are elderly and therefore more vulnerable to risks of death, younger people don’t need vaccines, masks, social distancing or lockdowns. What they need is to get their lives back.

Funsterdelux · 29-09-2020 07:23AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

New CDC data confirm that the Wuhan coronavirus poses almost zero death risk in people below the age of 50 (see details below). At the same time, these data also confirm the virus remains extremely dangerous to people over the age of 70, and the CDC estimates that 1 in 18 elderly people who contract the virus (i.e. are “infected”) end up being killed by it.

Meanwhile, the Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) for people 50 – 69 years is 1 in 200, making it far deadlier than the seasonal flu for individuals in that group.

But for people aged 20 – 49 years, the IFR drops to just 1 in 5000. This means that for every 5,000 people who are infected within this age group, one fatality is expected.

Those below the age of 20 have an even lower fatality rate: About 1 in 33,000.

In summary, the risk of death from the coronavirus in people under the age obf 50 is extremely small, and approaching zero.

These numbers are based on the CDC’s new data released at the following link, using “Scenario 5” which is labeled, “Current Best Estimate.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Most importantly, these data show that coronavirus “cases” are meaningless if detected in someone who isn’t sick. The media continues to try to terrorize the nations by claiming tens of thousands of new “cases” each day, but these cases are almost universally non-significant in that the patients demonstrate no symptoms and no sickness. Furthermore, the tests being used to diagnose such “cases” are extremely unreliable and likely rooted in predominantly false positives.

In fact, in a truly shocking development that has not been reported by the scaremongering news media, the former Chief Science Officer of Pfizer is now claiming the entire “second wave” of the pandemic is being faked through the use of unreliable mass testing that’s producing mostly false positives.
The more you test the more "cases" you get.

The bottom line? Unless you’re over the age of 60 or so, the coronavirus poses very little risk to you. The lockdown reactions toward the virus are wildly exaggerated and medically unnecessary. While precautions should be taken for those who are elderly and therefore more vulnerable to risks of death, younger people don’t need vaccines, masks, social distancing or lockdowns. What they need is to get their lives back.

If only it was that simple

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 07:25AM

JJayoo wrote: »

I don't think you realise how stupid drunk hormonely charged teens are. The video in question isn't off some popular meeting point it's of a bridge, and this is a fraction of the crowd, and everyone of these students will be packing themselves into house parties that will go on all night. This isn't an hour long outdoor protest. I pity the cops, gonna be a busy week

If it is true then people will have zero sympathy for them when they are quarantined in their accommodation for a couple of weeks. The people in Manchester and Glasgow are finding it fairly hard at the moment.

It general though it’s pretty stupid. Universities incentivised to get students back (fees and rents) Everyone knew in all likelihood it will not be sustainable in the medium term.l so students will end up not needing to be on campus.

I would have thought accepting human nature and mandating this year to be though from home would have been a better idea. I know we are not allowed to look at other countries and see what went wrong there especially if they are a few weeks ahead in terms of an activity. We might actually learn something instead of reinventing the wheel.

https://twitter.com/catherinehwyatt/status/1309924226288189441?s=20

caveat emptor · 29-09-2020 07:37AM

Zara King asked a zinger of a question at the end of the briefing. Apparently teachers knowing of confirmed cases in the school and not being treat as close contacts as otherwise would be. Hard to not agree with the message sent to her. I'd say it's real given that it's very prevalent in Donegal so would be in schools there. I sympathise with those teachers that find themselves in a horrible position.

https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1310701643076382720?s=20

patnor1011 · 29-09-2020 07:37AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

If only it was that simple

The longer this goes on the worse it gets believe me. While I am one of the unlucky lucky people who still have a job which cant be done from comfort of the house I feel sorry for all of the people who lost jobs as it is fairly clear at this stage that poverty is going to kill much more people than covid.

Funsterdelux · 29-09-2020 07:39AM

To the posters looking for evidence to my claims yesterday.

Donegal outbreaks linked to Communions, funeral gatherings, house parties and retirement celebrations

Donegal Restrictions

Schools open = communions/confirmations= family gatherings

Its just bad timing

Funsterdelux · 29-09-2020 07:44AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

The longer this goes on the worse it gets believe me. While I am one of the unlucky lucky people who still have a job which cant be done from comfort of the house I feel sorry for all of the people who lost jobs as it is fairly clear at this stage that poverty is going to kill much more people than covid.

Either way theres going to be economic effects. Its the long term health effects that are unkown, which could possibly csuse more premature deaths is worrying

Christ its cold,

funnydoggy · 29-09-2020 08:22AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Well a friend of mine lives nearby and recorded most of it(waiting for it to go onto social media before I post it) it was the Gardai who encouraged everyone to go to one point of Spanish Arch, the "crowd" was much more spread out until they asked everyone to go over the bridge. (Not sure why you'd want a spread out crowd closer together)

Still shouldn't happen but the full picture is needed before coming to conclusions here.

However there is one video from shop street of a large group around a busker, thats people just being stupid.

Foe the groups, Gardai can use public order legislation if things are getting out of hand but they're fairly stuck other than that

The gardai - "Huddle together now lads, make sure you're holding hands and don't forget to lick each other - this photo's going viral!" :pac:

29-09-2020 08:28AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

To the posters looking for evidence to my claims yesterday.

Donegal Restrictions

Schools open = communions/confirmations= family gatherings

Its just bad timing

There were lots of communions in August

CruelSummer · 29-09-2020 08:29AM

Funsterdelux wrote: »

To the posters looking for evidence to my claims yesterday.

Donegal Restrictions

Schools open = communions/confirmations= family gatherings

Its just bad timing

This isn’t evidence and you’ve failed to provide any whatsoever.

stephenjmcd · 29-09-2020 08:33AM

funnydoggy wrote: »

The gardai - "Huddle together now lads, make you're holding hands and don't forget to lick each other - this photo's going viral!" :pac:

Sure a bit like Dame Lane months ago, getting in pictures with people, then the pictures of people drinking cans goes all over twitter before they decide "right better move everyone on now".

wadacrack · 29-09-2020 08:45AM

https://twitter.com/vicjkim/status/1310842759276683265

Happydays2020 · 29-09-2020 08:47AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Sure a bit like Dame Lane months ago, getting in pictures with people, then the pictures of people drinking cans goes all over twitter before they decide "right better move everyone on now".

It took 2 months for the Dame Lane incident to translate into cases and 3 months for the BLM protest. The packed beaches were another thing. Not sure when Killarney will be hit for the dancing on telephone boxes incident.

Zebra3 · 29-09-2020 08:50AM

da_miser wrote: »

Dont see many sacrifices from those older people the last few years retired on a nice pension in a house they own towards the young working for minimum wage, taxed to pay for the retired while living in a dog box apartment with zero prospects for a good future.
Nearly all economists agree there will be no old age pension for the young currently working to pay for those receiving it now, and you want these young folk to go into even more debt to keep you safe and add another year to your already 80+?
I expect the UK to be the first major country to see the public revolt against these lock down covid laws in a meaningful way, riots by mid October, full on insurrection by Guy Fawkes Night, November 5th.

Many an economist will tell you that the pre-covid economy of high rents and high house prices was a wealth redistribution from the young to the old.

And now the young are getting a kicking from the old. Again.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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