Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

normanoffside · 29-09-2020 12:30AM

JJayoo wrote: »

I don't think you realise how stupid drunk hormonely charged teens are. The video in question isn't off some popular meeting point it's of a bridge, and this is a fraction of the crowd, and everyone of these students will be packing themselves into house parties that will go on all night. This isn't an hour long outdoor protest. I pity the cops, gonna be a busy week

I pity kids with people like you judging them from afar.

Frankly I don’t care for your fear mongering.

da_miser · 29-09-2020 12:33AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There is videos of queues outside Cork pubs also, easy to see why the young are being blamed considering most cases now are in their age groups

Yes the young are getting infected, and yes its not doing them any harm, just a few days of flu and they are right back to normal, so why are they expected to put their whole life on hold for something that has no ill effects for them?
It like banning alcohol or gambling just because a small percentage of the population are adversely effected by it.

29-09-2020 12:33AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

There is videos of queues outside Cork pubs also, easy to see why the young are being blamed considering most cases now are in their age groups

See this is the madness of the whole thing. We're creating huge divisions in society over this. The amount of blaming going on is ludicrous.

It would be absolutely shocking if young people didn't get a higher proportion of cases because:

We have a very young average age in this country
Young people are the ones working in your supermarkets, restaurants, bars, pretty much most of the jobs that involve dealing with the public
Many young people are in school

bush · 29-09-2020 12:35AM

Young people don't care and I don't blame them

political analyst · 29-09-2020 12:37AM

Larissa Nolan (Indo, Saturday 26 September), quoted Professor Paul Moynagh of Maynooth University from his apearance on the Virgin Media Tonight programme:

It's OK to take an ultra-cautious approach if there is no risk in terms of the restrictions. But there are significant risks on the other side. The consequences are enormous. Economically, it has paralysed the country.

How many cancer cases have we missed this year? It's not just health versus economy - it's lives versus lives. We need to have a serious discussion, some counterbalance.

As Moynagh explained, the aim of lockdown is only to spread the virus out, to give time to prepare. Larissa asked whether that time has been used to boost testing and tracing and ICU capacity.

Larissa believes that what Dr Giesecke recommended - shielding the vulnerable (presumably including young people with cystic fibrosis and other serious conditions) while letting the virus spread in a controlled way among people under 60 in general - although it's frightening, we'll have to countenance it.

She wrote that it's a basic sociological fact that over-protection is a danger in itself, that the hardest hit are the 17s and the 70s, that she has heard older people come out with wry, philosophical lines such as "it's not the bubonic plague" as an argument to let the young live free and that older people are struggling with loneliness, a risk factor in morbidity and mortality.

She also mentions the doubling in rates of depression in Britain over the past 6 months - the biggest percentage being in the younger age groups.

Her concluding paragraph:

We are a species biologically and neurologically wired to fear isolation. The hidden casualties of Covid are immeasurable. But we have to look for them, not turn our eyes away.

To be honest, I think that is a powerful case for letting herd immunity take effect in a controlled manner.

SleetAndSnow · 29-09-2020 12:37AM

bush wrote: »

Young people don't care and I don't blame them

That's also tarring every young person with the same brush because as a young person, I and about 99% of my friends do care and are following the guidelines. It is around 50/50 as it is with every age bracket.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 12:38AM

da_miser wrote: »

Yes the young are getting infected, and yes its not doing them any harm, just a few days of flu and they are right back to normal, so why are they expected to put their whole life on hold for something that has no ill effects for them?
It like banning alcohol or gambling just because a small percentage of the population are adversely effected by it.

Because it might kill or make seriously ill whoever they pass it onto.

Covid has to be tackled as a society. That means regardless of age that people play their part, do the responsible and socially disciplined things. Stopping the spread. Not rocket science... it might not affect me but I’m still doing the right things, sacrificing when asked.

Ok, I’m an adult but parents AGAIN need to step it up, be leaders, show leadership, and for a fûckin change... parent !!! Might mean stopping pocket money, removing holiday plans from the table, whatever... parents... fûcking parent !

spookwoman · 29-09-2020 12:39AM

AdamD wrote: »

See this is the madness of the whole thing. We're creating huge divisions in society over this. The amount of blaming going on is ludicrous.

It would be absolutely shocking if young people didn't get a higher proportion of cases because:
We have a very young average age in this country

Young people are the ones working in your supermarkets, restaurants, bars, pretty much most of the jobs that involve dealing with the public

Many young people are in school

Bollo*! all age groups work in areas the deal with the public. Who is teaching these young people? yes middle aged and older people. Jesus you'd think young people ran the world! With that mentality no wonder they are getting infected and unfortunately they are infecting older people as well.

political analyst · 29-09-2020 12:47AM

Strumms wrote: »

Because it might kill or make seriously ill whoever they pass it onto.

Covid has to be tackled as a society. That means regardless of age that people play their part, do the responsible and socially disciplined things. Stopping the spread.

... and people who drive motor vehicles might kill or seriously injure others - and aircraft might fall out of the sky.

It is possible to protect vulnerable people of all ages while letting others get on with their lives.

As Larissa Nolan wrote in the Indo on Saturday, we're going to have to countenance what Dr Giesecke suggested to the Covid committee last week.

JJayoo · 29-09-2020 12:50AM

normanoffside wrote: »

I pity kids with people like you judging them from afar.

Frankly I don’t care for your fear mongering.

Kids? 18/19 year olds are kids?

JP Liz V1 · 29-09-2020 12:52AM

bush wrote: »

Young people don't care and I don't blame them

I despair for our youth if that is their attitude just to party on in a deadly pandemic

spookwoman · 29-09-2020 12:59AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

I despair for our youth if that is their attitude just to party on in a deadly pandemic

Said it all when they interviewed Scottish students about not allowed to go home incase they infect their families. It just doesn't seem to register with them just what can happen.

normanoffside · 29-09-2020 12:59AM

JJayoo wrote: »

Kids? 18/19 year olds are kids?

They’re young people that have been locked up for the last 6 months, denied their last 3 months in school no graduations or saying goodbye to friends, left in limbo for months over their leaving cert and then had their exams cancelled.
Told they couldn’t celebrate their results or go on holiday.
Screwed in many cases over predicted grades.
Told to go to university and now being shamed for having a bit of an outdoor party.

Give them a break.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:00AM

political analyst wrote: »

...

It is possible to protect vulnerable people of all ages while letting others get on with their lives.

It’s not sorry, there are counter arguments a plenty from experts as opposed to column inch getters that back this up..

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:02AM

normanoffside wrote: »

They’re young people that have been locked up for the last 6 months, denied their last 3 months in school no graduations or saying goodbye to friends, left in limbo for months over their leaving cert and then had their exams cancelled.
Told they couldn’t celebrate their results or go on holiday.
Screwed in many cases over predicted grades.
Told to go to university and now being shamed for having a bit of an outdoor party.

Give them a break.

Giving them a break gives covid a further ‘in’...

Let them suck it up and play their part. Yes it’s crap, nobody is loving it...still needs to be done.

JP Liz V1 · 29-09-2020 01:10AM

normanoffside wrote: »

They’re young people that have been locked up for the last 6 months, denied their last 3 months in school no graduations or saying goodbye to friends, left in limbo for months over their leaving cert and then had their exams cancelled.
Told they couldn’t celebrate their results or go on holiday.
Screwed in many cases over predicted grades.
Told to go to university and now being shamed for having a bit of an outdoor party.
Give them a break.

We live in the age of social media, iphones, ipads, laptops etc., plenty ways to stay in touch, everyone of all ages must play their part, to act responsible, this is the new normal

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:13AM

normanoffside wrote: »

They’re young people that have been locked up for the last 6 months, denied their last 3 months in school no graduations or saying goodbye to friends, left in limbo for months over their leaving cert and then had their exams cancelled.
Told they couldn’t celebrate their results or go on holiday.
Screwed in many cases over predicted grades.
Told to go to university and now being shamed for having a bit of an outdoor party.

Give them a break.

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

We live in the age of social media, iphones, ipads, laptops etc., plenty ways to stay in touch, everyone of all ages must play their part, to act responsible, this is the new normal

In addition, WhatsApp, Facebook, Snapchat, Skype..., all free gratis,

In WWII people just sucked it up, did what they needed to, to keep themselves and each other alive.
Blackout curtains, gas masks etc... sucked but there was pride in everybody going in together... keeping everyone safe from attack.

bobbyy gee · 29-09-2020 01:18AM

Projected deaths 19000

https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

JJandthebear · 29-09-2020 01:22AM

The young are often asked to carry the burden of society when things go wrong, if all this amounts to for this current generation is that they have to cut down on their social contacts for a few months then they can count themselves extremely fortunate.
Understandably, they might not have the perspective yet to see it that way, but I see a lot of older people clutching pearls for them who surely should know better.
Whatever way you fall on the debate regards restrictions and the attempt to change the way we live in the face of this virus, the general reticence to sacrifice that has been exposed is perhaps telling for us all going forward. The willingness to accept the kind of lifestyle change needed to combat something like climate change say, an even more abstract and intangible threat than covid, would seem to be beyond us right now.

political analyst · 29-09-2020 01:33AM

Strumms wrote: »

It’s not sorry, there are counter arguments a plenty from experts as opposed to column inch getters that back this up..

People who have immune-system disorders have always had to limit their movements anyway.

When herd immunity to the virus is achieved either by vaccination or by controlled spread, then vulnerable people will be able to return to normality.

political analyst · 29-09-2020 01:36AM

Strumms wrote: »

In addition, WhatsApp, Facebook, Snapchat, Skype..., all free gratis,

In WWII people just sucked it up, did what they needed to, to keep themselves and each other alive.
Blackout curtains, gas masks etc... sucked but there was pride in everybody going in together... keeping everyone safe from attack.

I don't see how a disease with symptoms not much different from those of the flu and with a fatality rate of less than 1% is comparable to bombs dropped from aircraft.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:42AM

political analyst wrote: »

People who have immune-system disorders have always had to limit their movements anyway.

When herd immunity to the virus is achieved either by vaccination or by controlled spread, then vulnerable people will be able to return to normality.

No they don’t, I know people with classified autoimmune diseases.

Disagree, lots of people with autoimmune diseases live highly or completely normal, social day to day lives.

It’s ALL mucking in and sacrificing with covid...

da_miser · 29-09-2020 01:46AM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Covid19 has killed at least 998,867 people worldwide as of Monday, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University

Diarrhea kills 2,195 children every day—more than AIDS, malaria, and measles combined, dont see anyone up in arms about that!

https://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/global/diarrhea-burden.html#:~:text=It%20causes%20death%20by%20depleting%20body%20fluids%20resulting,water%2C%20inadequate%20sanitation%2C%20and%20insufficient%20hygiene%205%2C%206.

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:51AM

political analyst wrote: »

I don't see how a disease with symptoms not much different from those of the flu and with a fatality rate of less than 1% is comparable to bombs dropped from aircraft.

Flu comparisons already debunked several times

fatality rate closer to 5% here.

Deliberate misinformation perchance ?

Widdensushi · 29-09-2020 01:54AM

Strumms wrote: »

Flu comparisons already debunked several times fatality rate closer to 5% here.

Deliberate misinformation perchance ?

5% death rate debunked several times

Deliberate misinformation perchance?

Always_Running · 29-09-2020 01:56AM

Be interesting to see how this pilot goes.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-test-in-use-at-rome-frankfurt-dusseldorf-airports-being-piloted-in-roscommon-1.4365774%3fmode=amp

Strumms · 29-09-2020 01:56AM

Widdensushi wrote: »

5% death rate debunked several times

Deliberate misinformation perchance?

World health organization says otherwise

I’ll go with them

dalyboy · 29-09-2020 01:56AM

bobbyy gee wrote: »

Projected deaths 19000

https://covid19.healthdata.org/ireland?view=total-deaths&tab=trend

what’s that saying from Tennessee ?
Fool me once shame on me .... or .... shame on ... you get fooled you can’t get fooled again .

da_miser · 29-09-2020 01:59AM

Strumms wrote: »

Because it might kill or make seriously ill whoever they pass it onto.

Covid has to be tackled as a society. That means regardless of age that people play their part, do the responsible and socially disciplined things. Stopping the spread. Not rocket science... it might not affect me but I’m still doing the right things, sacrificing when asked.

Ok, I’m an adult but parents AGAIN need to step it up, be leaders, show leadership, and for a fûckin change... parent !!! Might mean stopping pocket money, removing holiday plans from the table, whatever... parents... fûcking parent !

Dont see many sacrifices from those older people the last few years retired on a nice pension in a house they own towards the young working for minimum wage, taxed to pay for the retired while living in a dog box apartment with zero prospects for a good future.
Nearly all economists agree there will be no old age pension for the young currently working to pay for those receiving it now, and you want these young folk to go into even more debt to keep you safe and add another year to your already 80+?
I expect the UK to be the first major country to see the public revolt against these lock down covid laws in a meaningful way, riots by mid October, full on insurrection by Guy Fawkes Night, November 5th.

dalyboy · 29-09-2020 02:01AM

Always_Running wrote: »

Be interesting to see how this pilot goes.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-test-in-use-at-rome-frankfurt-dusseldorf-airports-being-piloted-in-roscommon-1.4365774%3fmode=amp

I reckon the HSE will find some “flaw” in it.
They’re not going to give up their abomination 3-4 day turnaround PCR test that easily. 15 minute test would mean we would get back to a semblance of normality fairly quickly and that’ll blow the doomsday narrative for them.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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