Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

28-09-2020 06:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You'd wanna be proper out of the loop to believe a 6 month timeframe before any vaccine/treatment.

How do you mean? First vaccines aren't likely until at least January and you are then looking at 12-18 months at least for widespread distribution in the developed world, manufacturing billions of doses will take time.

As for treatments, the world doesn't have a great track record for treating viruses. Categorical cures don't really exist for viruses. As far as I can tell any potential drugs already in existence are in trials and some so far have shown good potential for treatment of severe disease but nothing so far that might stop mild disease progressing to something more severe which would be the key really. New compounds will require significant time for development and then trials. You can't blend phases as easily for drug trials like they've done with vaccines.

Boggles · 28-09-2020 06:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Like I say frontline and vulnerable will be priority. It'll be long after that for everyone else.

Again, it's not that simple and that decision has not been made yet.

It could well be that the young get it first to protect the old as they may not be as effective or safe on the older age groups or the vulnerable.

Like I said many many hurdles ahead.

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 06:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How do you mean? First vaccines aren't likely until at least January and you are then looking at 12-18 months at least for widespread distribution in the developed world, manufacturing billions of doses will take time.

As for treatments, the world doesn't have a great track record for treating viruses. Categorical cures don't really exist for viruses. As far as I can tell any potential drugs already in existence are in trials and some so far have shown good potential for treatment of severe disease but nothing so far that might stop mild disease progressing to something more severe which would be the key really. New compounds will require significant time for development and then trials. You can't blend phases as easily for drug trials like they've done with vaccines.

Having a vaccine =/= distributing a vaccine.
We will very likely have a vaccine within the next 6 months (Pfizer aiming for November).
That doesn't mean everyone's going to get it in 6 months.
We're likely to get it quite early, due to the EU having deals already agreed.

Goldengirl · 28-09-2020 06:55PM

Raphael Damaged Timer wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1310633494511521793

This is a staggering comment tbh. We are not currently "living with covid" theres 2 counties on lockdown and another 5 or 6 with warnings of lockdown. Daily hysteria garnered by the numbers and the C.M.O saying this is life for x amount of time. What a **** show, no plan no sign of light at the end of the tunnel.

I disagree.
Dublin numbers stabilising and hopefully other counties too soon .
Thought it was a very level briefing, honest , to the point .
Good from that HCA and the USI rep , as younger people need to know that while not affecting them in a major way , for some it can be very serious and it's a needless game of roulette messing with it
No hysteria with daily numbers as you put it , they have repeatedly said we will see how the numbers are over a week or 14 days .
CMO being honest about ETA of a vaccine which makes sense, tbh... would it be better if he lied ?
Back at work , schools open , pubs open around most of the country, hospitals open and hopefully all will stay that way and continue improving .
Try to keep positive:)

froog · 28-09-2020 06:56PM

the 5 level plan is too vague and subjective and too slow in my opinion. have 3 levels, and publish the exact criteria for each. if any of those metrics are met, immediately move to the next level. the stern warnings and wheeling out near death experiences in press conferences simply does not work and is losing people.

28-09-2020 06:56PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

All to be run by the EU so they'll be the ones allocating x amount to each country out of the deals done at EU level

If the Oxford one doesn't have anymore blips we need to talk to the UK. They have 100m doses secured and are building their own manufacturing which will be able to produce 12m a month.

We should consider building our own capacity to manufacture maybe.

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If the Oxford one doesn't have anymore blips we need to talk to the UK. They have 100m doses secured and are building their own manufacturing which will be able to produce 12m a month.

We should consider building our own capacity to manufacture maybe.

EU has already purchased 300m of them.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1438

smellyoldboot · 28-09-2020 07:00PM

froog wrote: »

the 5 level plan is too vague and subjective and too slow in my opinion. have 3 levels, and publish the exact criteria for each. if any of those metrics are met, immediately move to the next level. the stern warnings and wheeling out near death experiences in press conferences simply does not work and is losing people.

It's me experience that people with IQs in the range of a lot of the dopier type of Irish people don't really follow instructions unless you make/force them too. The soft approach just won't work.

28-09-2020 07:00PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Having a vaccine =/= distributing a vaccine.
We will very likely have a vaccine within the next 6 months (Pfizer aiming for November).
That doesn't mean everyone's going to get it in 6 months.
We're likely to get it quite early, due to the EU having deals already agreed.

But being entirely dependant on a vaccine does mean this "living with the virus" craic and all that entails (distancing, masks, no large or even medium size gatherings, business restrictions, travel restrictions etc.) is likely to continue for another year or two.

Happydays2020 · 28-09-2020 07:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

If the Oxford one doesn't have anymore blips we need to talk to the UK. They have 100m doses secured and are building their own manufacturing which will be able to produce 12m a month.

We should consider building our own capacity to manufacture maybe.

The Oxford vaccine is being developed by Astra Zeneca. The EU has already committed to buying the vaccine from them. There are potential no deal Brexit issues if the vaccine is manufactured in the U.K.

wowzer · 28-09-2020 07:02PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cork cases mostly in the city according to Glynn.

Wonder was Dr Glynn using his media training here to dampen expectations???

Goldengirl · 28-09-2020 07:03PM

spookwoman wrote: »

Why is Waterford highlighted ?

28-09-2020 07:04PM

They haven't a hope of keeping people compliant with restrictions for 15 months, and rightfully bloody so.

PokeHerKing · 28-09-2020 07:04PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

EU has already purchased 300m of them.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1438

They've ordered 300m of something that doesn't exist yet. I think you're the type of person Glynn is trying to reach...

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:05PM

wowzer wrote: »

Wonder was Dr Glynn using his media training here to dampen expectations???

Ehhh no because you can look at the LEA map to confirm he's right

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:05PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

They've ordered 300m of something that doesn't exist yet. I think you're the type of person Glynn is trying to reach...

Oxford vaccine started mass production in April.
Pfizer started in April too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/04/astrazeneca-is-set-to-make-two-billion-doses-of-a-coronavirus-vaccine.html

AstraZeneca said it had signed a licensing deal with the Serum Institute of India to provide 1 billion doses to low- and middle-income countries, with 400 million of those shots set to be delivered by the end of 2020, according to a press release Thursday.

28-09-2020 07:05PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

The Oxford vaccine is being developed by Astra Zeneca. The EU has already committed to buying the vaccine from them. There are potential no deal Brexit issues if the vaccine is manufactured in the U.K.

If there's a tariff, pay it. No deal Brexit does not mean zero trade. Ireland would be perfectly entitled to commit to the EU programme and receive a per capita slice and then do their own thing to secure extra.

Goldengirl · 28-09-2020 07:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Aalta Bio in Dublin and Pfizers, GSK and Thermofisher Scientific in Cork are all working on vaccines

Yeah , can't remember the name , thought it was one in Limerick ?
And Novartis ? In UK and NI ?
Was on One O'Clock news

funnydoggy · 28-09-2020 07:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

But being entirely dependant on a vaccine does mean this "living with the virus" craic and all that entails (distancing, masks, no large or even medium size gatherings, business restrictions, travel restrictions etc.) is likely to continue for another year or two.

I dunno, I really.feel like society will slowly start to go back to "normal" themselves, once we start seeing the vulnerable and HCWs getting vaccinations. After all, they're the highest risk folks.

The younger population will start taking risks and though we would get more cases, new treatments will really help turn them into non-issues.

Dr. Bre · 28-09-2020 07:08PM

The next two weeks are critical

wowzer · 28-09-2020 07:08PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Ehhh no because you can look at the LEA map to confirm he's right

Ehhhhhh if you listened you would have also heard him say, according to the data he had available to him, which was only up to last week.

spookwoman · 28-09-2020 07:09PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Why is Waterford highlighted ?

I copied and pased that info over and it was someone from waterford I copied it from hence it in caps. Also I'm in waterford

Also in a bit of a rush with getting ready to head out

28-09-2020 07:10PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You'd wanna be proper out of the loop to believe a 6 month timeframe before any vaccine/treatment.

They can’t scale up quickly enough for it to be widespread within a year. Manufacturing capacity is a issue, and not so much the vaccine itself than the required supply items

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:10PM

wowzer wrote: »

Ehhhhhh if you listened you would have also heard him say, according to the data he had available to him, which was only up to last week.

So you're making predictions that it'll change? What does that have to do with what he said?

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They can’t scale up quickly enough for it to be widespread within a year. Manufacturing capacity is a issue, and not so much the vaccine itself than the required supply items

Pfizer plan on having over 100 million by end of year, pushing to nearly 2 billion by end of next year.
Oxford plan on having 400 million by end of this year.
And that's just 2, with 11 in Phase 3.

Boggles · 28-09-2020 07:12PM

AstraZeneca as part of their deal with EU have a clause which absolves them from future liability from side effects up a point.

That is pretty fúcking clever TBF.

28-09-2020 07:13PM

PokeHerKing wrote: »

They've ordered 300m of something that doesn't exist yet. I think you're the type of person Glynn is trying to reach...

Everything they've ordered exists. Its whether they pass the safety trials or not. But they absolutely exist.

Goldengirl · 28-09-2020 07:13PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Novavax is running the Northern Ireland trial.

Thanks , that was it .

By the way, sorry about the stuff a few days ago .
We may not agree some , all or most of the time but it is no excuse for that .
Agree to disagree , amicably ?

ACitizenErased · 28-09-2020 07:13PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thanks , that was it .

By the way, sorry about the stuff a few days ago .
We may not agree some , all or most of the time but it is no excuse for that .
Agree to disagree , amicably ?

Of course, the time off was magical

robfowler78 · 28-09-2020 07:14PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Low .
Couldn't make a claim like that if it was untrue , on national TV!
He was fit and healthy and was working as a healthcare worker .

Bit of context ref diabetes Its been well known long before now that type1 can be triggered in people by catching a virus. Mostly in children it's not the same as type 2. It really is scare mongering now to be pushing it so hard with Covid when it was a well known cause long before Covid. I know someone who was diagnosed with diabetes around 5yrs ago and first thing they were told was that was a pkssie cause.

There is every chance that Covid is the cause in this case but there are also many unknown causes.

Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

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